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Bush's Glib Waterboarding Admission Sparks Outrage

First Posted: 06/03/10 07:19 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:40 PM ET

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George W. Bush's casual acknowledgment Wednesday that he had Khalid Sheikh Mohammed waterboarded -- and would do it again -- has horrified some former military and intelligence officials who argue that the former president doesn't seem to understand the gravity of what he is admitting.

Waterboarding, a form of controlled drowning, is "unequivocably torture", said retired Brigadier General David R. Irvine, a former strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner of war interrogation and military law for 18 years.

"As a nation, we have historically prosecuted it as such, going back to the time of the Spanish-American War," Irvine said. "Moreover, it cannot be demonstrated that any use of waterboarding by U.S. personnel in recent years has saved a single American life."

Irvine told the Huffington Post that Bush doesn't appreciate how much harm his countenancing of torture has done to his country.

"Yeah, we waterboarded Khalid Sheikh Mohammed," Bush told a Grand Rapids audience Wednesday, of the self-professed 9/11 mastermind. "I'd do it again to save lives."

But, Irvine said: "When he decided to do it the first time, he launched the nation down a disastrous road, and we will continue to pay dearly for the damage his decision has caused.

"We are seen by the rest of the world as having abandoned our commitment to international law. We have forfeited enormous amounts of moral leadership as the world's sole remaining superpower. And it puts American troops in greater danger -- and unnecessary danger."

James P. Cullen, a retired brigadier general in the United States Army Reserve Judge Advocate General's Corps, told HuffPost that the net effect of Bush's remarks -- and former Vice President Cheney's before him -- is "to establish a precedent where it will be permissible to our enemies to use waterboarding on our servicemen in future wars.

Cheney famously once agreed with an interviewer that "a dunk in the water" was "no-brainer" if it saves lives.

"This is not the last war we're going to fight," Cullen said. "Americans not yet born are going to be prisoners of war in those conflicts. And our enemies are going to be able to point back to President Bush and Vice President Cheney saying that waterboarding is OK.

"It's just shocking to me how he can be so flip about something that is so serious," Cullen said.

Matthew Alexander, the pseudonymous former Air Force interrogator and author of "How To Break A Terrorist" e-mailed HuffPost that Bush's statement "is de facto approval of the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of American soldiers in Iraq who were killed by foreign fighters that Al Qaida recruited based on the President's policy of torture and abuse of detainees.

"At least now we know where the blame for those soldiers' deaths squarely belongs. President Bush's decision broke with a military tradition dating back to General George Washington during the Revolutionary War and the consequences are clear: Al Qaida is stronger and our country is less safe."

Cullen and Irvine are among 15 former military and intelligence officials currently working with Human Rights First in Pennsylvania, meeting with congressional candidates from both parties to help inform them about issues of prisoner treatment and interrogation.

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Dan Froomkin is senior Washington correspondent for the Huffington Post. You can send him an e-mail, bookmark his page; subscribe to RSS feed, follow him on Twitter, friend him on Facebook, and/or become a fan and get e-mail alerts when he writes.

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George W. Bush's casual acknowledgment Wednesday that he had Khalid Sheikh Mohammed waterboarded -- and would do it again -- has horrified some former military and intelligence officials who argue tha...
George W. Bush's casual acknowledgment Wednesday that he had Khalid Sheikh Mohammed waterboarded -- and would do it again -- has horrified some former military and intelligence officials who argue tha...
 
 
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matwin
old liberal
08:50 AM on 07/26/2010
Bush is pushing his gentleman's agreement with the current administration by continuing to mandate their prosecution of his war crimes. I do think that this administration could honor their word by not prosecuting him, but allowing him to be called by international courts to testify but not be held.

I think being convicted of war crimes against humanity with a commuted sentence would somewhat help future US Soldiers who serve overseas by placing the blame on a person instead of a nation.
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FYLTHPIG
Spread Love
08:32 PM on 07/04/2010
Yeah right we'll never know everything till after he croaks. His whole term I thought his eyes had this demonic look in them. Now I understand why him and Cheney seemed so evil. Because they were evil, he only pretended to simple, alas will we ever fully know.
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CarolinaYankee
09:18 PM on 07/03/2010
War crimes, must be prosecuted. And they will be, we just have too much other stuff to clean up from this man (and I use that term loosely).
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CarolinaYankee
09:16 PM on 07/03/2010
Too busy with other things to take care of it right now, but someday this man will answer for the things he did and laughs about now. Some will some others.
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07:22 PM on 06/13/2010
Both the Shrub and Darth have openly admitted to torture in the name of our country to taunt this administration.
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Guytar
I'm sorry that I made you cry
07:49 AM on 06/11/2010
Save your comments till when Bush starts his ugly book tour.

Peace to all friends.
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Guytar
I'm sorry that I made you cry
07:42 AM on 06/11/2010
Cheney was CEO of Halliburton for five years. His retirement stock options increased five-fold after he retired from the company to become US Vice President. Halliburton was granted billions of dollars in no bid war contracts during two Bush-Cheney presidential terms of office.

The Bush family has been involved in the US oil industry for decades, and is now worth hundreds of millions of dollars. 21st century wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were started by George Bush jnr. and Richard Cheney.

Over 5000 US troops have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001.
10:36 AM on 06/28/2010
Do you recall how many died on Sept.11?
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vanalmen2
11:36 AM on 07/16/2010
How many Afghan civilians have died at our hand since then? When will the War Mongers call it even?
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Gregory Foster
12:29 PM on 06/08/2010
AR.REST.HIM.PLEASE.
12:04 PM on 06/08/2010
Now that he let the cat out of the bag, we have no choice but to prosecute him for war crimes. Had he kept his mouth shut, he could've evaded controversy.
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treeshack
01:16 AM on 06/08/2010
When George Bush, "The Oil President," gutted MSM and staffed the department with oil-friendly flunkies who didn't bother to do their jobs for fear of inconveniencing BP, Shell Oil, etc., he laid the groundwork for the BP Gulf of Mexico disaster.

Bush is the lousy president that keeps on giving.
10:35 AM on 06/28/2010
Seen any planes flying into buildings lately? That's what I thought!
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treeshack
02:41 PM on 06/28/2010
You mean like the planes that flew into the World trade Center while Bush was president? The one's he was warned about in daily press briefings but chose to ignore? Those planes?

Nope. The two that Bush allowed to fly into our buildings did the job, as far as Bin Laden is concerned. He's the one saying "Mission Accomplished" to the Muslim world, thanks to George Bush's incompetence.
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treeshack
01:10 AM on 06/08/2010
Not only was he the worst president ever, now he is contending for worst EX-president ever.

Besides Reagen, that is.
10:33 AM on 06/28/2010
LOL! Hold onto your horses,have the worst one leaving in 2012!
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treeshack
02:42 PM on 06/28/2010
I'm sure he won't be a two term president, but he'll still have to go a long way to beat out Bush as worst ever. You seem to be backing a loser, there, Sparky.
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charles116
11:13 PM on 06/07/2010
OMG.
Dubya said something stupid.
Alert the media.
10:17 PM on 06/07/2010
Oh, boo hoo. If you want to see true torture Google "Eugene Armstrong beheading" and that of Nick Berg. Listen to their screams as the "freedom fighter" (must-not-call-them-terrorists) captives take a dull blade to literally saw their heads off and come back and whine about how waterboarding is torture!
11:08 PM on 06/07/2010
Correction: "captors" not "captives".
08:49 AM on 06/08/2010
It appears that you (have chosen to) misunderstand the criticism.

Our use of torture helps create a world in which that sort of crime is the norm, not the exception. In using it, we squander the moral authority which permits us to object when any other nation or entity uses such tactics.

If I steal from you, I make it more likely that you will steal or steal again from me, and I have nothing to say when you do. If you kill my son and I respond by killing your father, you're more likely to kill my daughter as well, and what can I do then (besides killing your mother)?

And not incidentally, "freedom fighter" as a Newspeak for terrorist was coined by the Reagan administration, in referring to the Nicaraguan contras.
11:31 AM on 06/07/2010
"As a nation, we have historically prosecuted it as such, going back to the time of the Spanish-American War," Irvine said.
This is not a war against a nation/government that we have a treaty with. TERRORISTS should not be afforded any basic rights/privleges.
AQ didn't need Bush to recruit Jihadists, the 9-11 guys started during Clinton-Gore.
Of course a uniformed soldier captured on the field of battle will have different treatment than a rogue f'in nutcase TERRORIST, all of our allies, etc. know that.
These people want to kill Americans. They will not stop because you stop wtr-boarding or sleep-depriving.
Have they stopped since BHO took over? Hell No!
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gypsy508
12:44 PM on 06/07/2010
It sure seems like war to me. The other side wants to kill us.
01:05 PM on 06/07/2010
Did waterboarding and sleep deprivation and starvation and rape and bludgeoning and all the other forms of torture we have inflicted on suspects in Gitmo, Iraq and Afghanistan stopped them? Hell No! And sadly BHO has quietly continued many of these policies.
No matter when they started, 9/11 happened under Bush - because he refused to read memos indicating the increasing likelihood of such an assualt.
All of which indicates our leaders aren't leading, they're just putting on a show for their friends in the corporations.
11:19 AM on 06/08/2010
I agree, there is no leadership, only showmanship. Feed the base and get re-elected.
"No matter when they started, "
But, it does matter. They were here under Clinton. They did not start because of Bush. BinLaden set up before Bush. The point is, wtrboarding, etc. is a rallying point for getting people fired up here on HP, but to say that it is the cause of AlQueda killing Americans, is just not true. Bin Laden plotted and killed Americans long before Bush and waterboarding.
10:54 AM on 06/07/2010
"Can anyone argue that Dan Quayle would have been a worse president?"
-Gore Vidal
10:32 AM on 06/28/2010
Dan would of been better than what is in there now!