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Gulf Oil Spill: Federal Estimates Again Eclipsed By Reality

First Posted: 06/08/10 07:45 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:45 PM ET

Gulf Oil Spill Federal Estimates
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar

Video from the sea floor has once again exposed as ludicrous the federal estimates of how much oil is poisoning the Gulf of Mexico. That video shows that the billowing cloud of filth from BP's broken pipe appears undiminished even as about 15,000 barrels of oil a day are being captured by a new cap, clearly indicating that the flow is several multiples of that amount.

Obama administration officials had clung to a 5,000-barrels-per-day estimate long after BP released a video clip showing oil shooting out of the pipe like a geyser. Two weeks ago, the Interior Department revised its estimate up to 12,000 to 19,000 barrels daily -- even though the scientific group it commissioned to study the matter had identified that range as the absolute lower limit of the flow. They said they could not calculate the upper limit.

BP isn't giving scientists the data they need to make more definitive estimates, and the flow appears to have increased somewhat since a twisted riser was cut off last week to provide better access to the pipe.

But judging from the new video, it seems clear that the daily flow is probably more in the neighborhood of 50,000 to 100,000 barrels -- or 2 million to 4 million gallons.

That's about one Exxon Valdez every two and a half to five days. And we're on day 50.

Julie Rodriguez, a spokeswoman for the Interior Department, said on Tuesday that the department doesn't have any new official estimates to make public yet. She noted that some increase in the numbers could be due to the riser cut. "Based on the information that we've been receiving, yeah, there is a difference between the two," she said.

U.S. Geological Survey Director Marcia McNutt, who chairs the flow group, said in a statement that its members are "working non-stop to analyze all the information that is available on the oil that is flowing from BP's well." She added: "In the next couple of days we believe we will be able to provide an updated assessment of flow rates after the riser was cut that reflects multiple methodologies and the work of a broad grouping of scientists."

BP announced Tuesday that its new cap system collected 14,800 barrels of oil on Monday, up from 11,100 barrels the day before.

But all that removed oil hasn't visibly reduced the frothing plume rising from the well.

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"Our lower bound just moved up," Ira Leifer, a flow group member and researcher at the Marine Science Institute of the University of California, Santa Barbara, told HuffPost on Tuesday.

"A realistic lower bound would be some number than you can take [15,000 barrels] out of it and it doesn't change very much," Leifer said. That means it has to be at least four or five times that much, he said.

Paul Bommer, another group member who teaches petroleum engineering at the University of Texas, told HuffPost in an email that he wasn't allowed to release individual data. But, he noted: "I think looking at the CNN live video that the oil escaping around the end of the cap is diminished somewhat. BP claims to be capturing 15,000 bbl/day now. So, I think you can draw some general conclusions from that,"

As for an upper bound, the scientists have consistently said they didn't have enough data to say for sure.

Leifer notes that BP once said that in the worst-case scenario, the leak from this well would be 100,000 barrels a day. "There could be more, there could be less," he said. But until BP produces better data that scientists can work with, Leifer announced, he'll cite that figure as a definite possibility.

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Video from the sea floor has once again exposed as ludicrous the federal estimates of how much oil is poisoning the Gulf of Mexico. That video shows that the billowing cloud of filth from BP's broken ...
Video from the sea floor has once again exposed as ludicrous the federal estimates of how much oil is poisoning the Gulf of Mexico. That video shows that the billowing cloud of filth from BP's broken ...
 
 
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04:29 AM on 06/10/2010
Ever swim in an above ground pool? Here’s a link for a 1.5inch pool pump, the kind that is used for an above ground small pool, pumps 6800gph, or 3900barrels a day.

It’s the kind of outlet that an 8year old can cover with his hand pressure and stop. Does the BP leak look 1.5inch pool pump size? Or the size that could be covered by a childs hand?

http://www.waterpumpsdirect.com/Wayne-WIP150/p4384.html
12:45 AM on 06/10/2010
You're doin' a heckuva job, Kenny. But your expiration date is ticking.
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arnth01
11:30 PM on 06/09/2010
What a great picture of Salizar to demonstrate how much oil he thinks is leaking
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09:53 PM on 06/09/2010
This is subterfuge on the most basic level. I don't care how much oil is coming out of the pipe at this point; the issue should be why isn't BP ordered to cap/seal off this well. If they can attach whatever BS device they are using to siphon off oil (being the greedy phucks that they are), they can attach a device to stop the flow of oil. To let them tell us anything different just proves that people in power are in bed with them. There should be no leakage!!!!!

We - collectively as a society/country used to be smarter than this, weren't we????
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lonesometx
Please don't take me out with a drone, Pres. O
11:46 AM on 06/10/2010
OK, Einstein, how would you stop it? I'm sure everyone in the world is waiting for you to enlighten us with your engineering expertise.

Post your proposal here and let a few engineers look at it. Maybe you are the smartest guy in the world and we’ll slap our foreheads and say, “Why didn’t we think of that.” But I doubt it.
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Morals evolved due to cooperative group living
08:39 PM on 06/09/2010
The oil escaping is rising ... so they should be able to trap it (at least most of it) and recover the bulk of the oil ...
There is no excuse for destroying the environment by letting so much oil free ... no excuse.
08:25 PM on 06/09/2010
The 50,000 to 100,000 estimate has been around for a long time now, and that can be easily estimated by simply looking at the video (follow a part of the oil plume across two frames, calculate the speed at which the oil is coming out, and multiply by the cross-sectional area of the pipe to get the rate). Yet both BP and the government have been coming out with much lower estimates, which, as expected, turn out to be way too low based on how much oil is actually being siphoned out.

What's going on there? I can understand BP wanting to underestimate the oil coming out to minimize fines, but is there something wrong with the government's methodology? Or is the government simply taking BP at its word?
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05:54 AM on 06/10/2010
collusion.
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06:36 PM on 06/09/2010
we need a better containment barrier around it, one that goes all the way to the leak, like the S.Q.U.I.D. by New World Innovations and Steven Dvorak, seen here: Http://newworldinnovations.com/pages/squid.aspx
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06:18 PM on 06/09/2010
I'm puzzled as to why they haven't hooked up a mass flow spectrometer to 1 of the robots and take a reading of the flow. It doesn't seem all that hard to me. Unless it won't work at that depth.
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Michael Valentine
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07:37 PM on 06/09/2010
Or you don't want an accurate reading.
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up420oz
05:26 PM on 06/09/2010
*********************************You have to read this story:*****************
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-mann/maddow-doing-crucial-repo_b_606013.html

Once again, Rachel Maddow is showing all other reporters where the real scandal is, reguarding BP clean up.

This story, CNN's Ed Henry: Give Fox News Helen Thomas's Seat In White House Briefing Room. is sickening.

& really, I don't care to see CNN and Fox deciding on who gets the seat. Any use of "traditions " or "values" of the press making this decision is voided as soon as Fox entered the consideration.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/09/ed-henry-give-fox-news-he_n_605843.html



can this one make it through?
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Frenbar
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king
05:15 PM on 06/09/2010
What do you expect when you appoint Ken Salazar as Secretary of the Interior?
04:02 PM on 06/09/2010
Chuck Norris could plug this gusher with nothing but a bunch of recycled wine corks and a roll of duct tape.
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Michael Valentine
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04:52 PM on 06/09/2010
I, for one, am willing to send him.
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jrfunkenstein
'It's a sad and beautiful world'
08:51 PM on 06/09/2010
You mean MacGruber already did; that's why it exploded.
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03:51 PM on 06/09/2010
Again i can not escape this dreadful feeling i get every day that we just killed ourselves!
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garymc8
We got OBL- not gop
02:47 PM on 06/09/2010
We live in a LIAR democracy, practicing LIAR capitalism. They have the Legal right to MAKE their employees lie for them or get fired. They LIE about their product, LIE about customer support and LIE about billing. THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS BROKEN, AND TRYING TO BREAK THE PUBLIC SECTOR.
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03:48 PM on 06/09/2010
Some one said greed was the root of all Evi|| and I suppose we can argue the chicken and egg thing but it is dishonesty that perpetuates the fraudulent monetary system that has helped the MIC dominate this country and the world we have and it is dishonesty that created it..
The IDEA of it was born out of people inventing dishonest ways to implement it.
Honor and ethics are maintained by an adherence to honesty..
Greed motivates dishonesty that is clear.. some believe dishonesty is a survival tactic..Isr@l for example..But this lizard brain mentality is truly like a cancer that will kill its host. the only solution to any of it is honesty. so the opposite must be the cause.
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02:35 PM on 06/09/2010
Our government is lying to us to protect offshore drilling. They don't want us to know the real risk.
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03:49 PM on 06/09/2010
Someone posted this interesting audio clip of James fox the journalist visiting the gulf
http://www.manticoregroup.com/radio/2010/06jun/jamesfox2010.mp3
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01:50 PM on 06/09/2010
"That's about one Exxon Valdez every two and a half to five days. And we're on day 50."

/boggle
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02:36 PM on 06/09/2010
That's 20 Exxon Valdezs.
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07:17 PM on 06/09/2010
/double boggle!!