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Murkowski Measure To Block EPA From Regulating Greenhouse Gases FAILS


First Posted: 06/10/10 06:03 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:45 PM ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate has rejected a bid to stop the Obama administration from imposing regulations on greenhouse gases, giving a boost to President Barack Obama as he pursues broader clean energy legislation.

Senators turned back a resolution that would have rescinded the authority of the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.

Supporters of the measure, mostly Republicans, argued that the EPA had usurped the authority of Congress to set climate policy and that the EPA regulations would increase energy costs and kill jobs.

But the White House, which threatened to veto the measure, said depriving the EPA of its ability to regulate carbon and other greenhouse emissions would result in greater dependence on oil and more pollution.

THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) - In an important test on global warming, the Senate neared a vote Thursday on whether to stop the Obama administration from cracking down on greenhouse gases from power plants and other polluters.

The outcome could signal how Congress will deal with broader White House clean energy legislation to come.

Thursday's Republican-led resolution would prevent the Environmental Protection Agency from moving ahead with rules under the Clean Air Act to regulate carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions from power plants and other major sources. Support from several moderate and coal-state Democrats should make vote close.

It's one of the first this year to put lawmakers on the record in the climate change debate.

Those trying to block the EPA rules argue that Congress, not bureaucrats, should be crafting climate change policy. But there's little prospect that the Senate will act soon on the broader energy bill, and the administration and most Democrats contend steps must be taken in the meantime to hold down greenhouse gas pollutants.

"We can't let big oil have a free pass to pollute," said Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore.

The EPA crafted standards on greenhouse gas emissions by big polluters after the Supreme Court ruled that those emissions could be regulated under the Clean Air Act if it could be shown that such gases were a danger to human health. The rules are to go into effect next January.

The White House has issued a veto threat against the resolution to stop the rules, saying it would "increase the nation's dependence on oil and other fossil fuels and block efforts to cut pollution." The measure also would undercut efforts to reduce the risks associated with environmental disasters such as the Gulf oil spill, the administration says.

With a veto looming, the measure is unlikely to ever become law. That did not deter debate on the most important climate change vote to come before the Senate this year.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky called the new rules a "blatant power grab by the administration and the EPA." With an energy bill unlikely to pass this year, "the administration has shifted course and is now trying to get done through the back door what they haven't been able to get done through the front door."

But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., called the measure, "a great big gift to big oil" that would "increase pollution, increase our dependence on foreign oil and stall our efforts to create jobs" in the clean energy sector.

The sponsor of the resolution, Republican Sen. Lisa Murkowski of oil-rich Alaska, said her intent was to protect the authority of Congress, not the interests of the oil industry. "It should be up to us to set the policy of this country, not unelected bureaucrats within an agency."

Her Democratic allies used similar arguments. "The regulatory approach is the wrong way to promote renewable energy and clean energy jobs in Arkansas and the rest of the country," said Sen. Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas.

Murkowski, too, said Congress should be working harder to come up with an energy bill. The question was whether a consensus on the issue was possible this year.

"Here's the real rub," said Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican who has worked with Democrats on energy legislation. "If we stop them (the rules), are we going to do anything?"

There were other disputes about the consequences of the Murkowski resolution. EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson and the White House said the resolution would force the EPA to rescind standards for emissions from future-model cars and light trucks that it came up with earlier this year with the Transportation Department. The result, she said, would be a need for the country to consume an extra 455 million barrels of oil.

Murkowski and others countered that the Transportation Department has long been able to set fuel efficiency standards without the help of the EPA.

Jackson also denied the argument of critics that the EPA rules would impose devastating costs on small businesses and farmers, resulting in major job losses. The EPA came up with what it calls a tailoring rule that would exempt small sources of pollution from the regulations for six years.

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vetxcl
12:34 PM on 06/14/2010
Maybe, if the Congress were willing to do something to stop pollution and the degradation of the environment, the President wouldn't have to. So what is Congress thinking? (More oil spills are good? Having laws and enforcing them that can inhibit oil spills is none of the government's business?)
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realpolitic
Proud member of the reality-based community!
04:58 AM on 06/13/2010
The climate change deniers lose again.
01:50 PM on 06/13/2010
Yeah congratulations on that comprehensive climate bill that reduceds C02 use through Cap n Trade.

...oh wait it didn't pass, and it won't pass. Congratulations on your Pyrrhic victory.
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realpolitic
Proud member of the reality-based community!
04:05 AM on 06/14/2010
There is nothing Pyrrhic about having the EPA get tough with industry and regulate co2. If you think so, perhaps you do not know the definition of Pyrrhic.
04:28 PM on 06/13/2010
Yet the ranks of true believers continues to dwindle.

Uh oh, lost another one.
http://www.discoverynews.org/2010/06/brit_science_writer_loses_stat035591.php
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
09:48 PM on 06/13/2010
A global warming denier citing an evolution denier organization's (The Discover Institute) website for 'information' about claims made by longtime global warming denier and free-market true believer (coincidence?) Matt Ridley - nice.

A non-science denier review of Ridley's new science denier book is here:

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/06/01/the-man-who-wants-to-northern-rock-the-planet/

Science deniers unite!
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realpolitic
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04:17 AM on 06/14/2010
Like most climate science deniers Ridley thinks he has license to change the facts. Well, he does not. Here is a critique of his less than factual book.

"Ridley asserts that average temperature changes over “the last three decades” have been “relatively slow”(19). In reality the rise over this period has been the most rapid since instrumental records began(20). He maintains that “eleven of thirteen populations” of polar bears are “growing or steady”(21). There are in fact 19 populations of polar bears. Of those whose fluctuations have been measured, one is increasing, three are stable and eight are declining."

"He uses blatant cherry-picking to create the impression that ecosystems are recovering: water snake numbers in Lake Erie, fish populations in the Thames, bird’s eggs in Sweden(23). But as the Millennium Ecosystem Assessment shows, of 65 global indicators of human impacts on biodiversity, only one – the extent of temperate forests – is improving. Eighteen are stable, in all the other cases the impacts are increasing."

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2010/06/01/the-man-who-wants-to-northern-rock-the-planet/

So if the temperature change has not been slow, but very rapid, most polar bear populations are declining, and eco-systems are not recovering, wouldn't it mean the consensus on climate change, that man's emissions of co2 is causing higher temperatures, is a correct one?
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HLL
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09:23 AM on 06/12/2010
Thank goodness, Murkowski was defeated. I don't get the GOP's desire to destroy the planet. And I don't get why they're gloating while the Gulf of Mexico burns. It's incomprehensible.

Below are some of Big Oil's campaign recipients:

"....oil and gas industry as a whole, Beckel said, gave far more to Republicans in 2008 than to Democrats. Sen. John McCain of Arizona received $2.4 million from those companies in 2008.

BP has given McCain $44,899 since 1990. BP gave former President George W. Bush, $47,388.

Other prominent politicians still in office and their BP money since 1990 include:

Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, $41,400
Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., $31,000
Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., $28,200
Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, $27,350
Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., $22,300
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky; $22,000
Rep. John Culberson, R-Texas, $20,950
Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, $19,500
Sen. Kit Bond, R-Missouri, $19,200
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer of Maryland, $16,000
House Minority Leader John Boehner of Ohio, $15,200
Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., $14,000
Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala.,$14,000
Rep. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., $12,500
Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., $11,000
Rep. Chet Edwards, D-Texas, $10,500
Sen. Sherrod Brown, D-Ohio; $10,050
Sen. Arlen Specter, D-Pa., $9,500
Sen. John Kerry, R-Mass., $9,500
Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, $9,000"

http://www.capitolnewsconnection.org/?q=node/14779
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farmilyman
everything is illusion
01:47 AM on 06/12/2010
Is she a mannequin?
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
06:51 PM on 06/11/2010
It would be so much better if we all drove SUV’s, Hummers, the biggest baddest trucks we can get our grubby paws on. It would be good if we worshipped auto racing as a sport and used racers as role models for our kids and our behavior on the highway. It would be good if teenagers and wanna be teenagers drove the fastest most fuel in-efficient vehicles they can. It would be good. It is a good thing when teenagers and immature adults impress each other by peeling out, laying rubber, spinning their tires, and purchasing the least efficient vehicle that they can. Not only does it consume fuel more rapidly, it wastes the petroleum that was used to make the tires, plus it puts really crappy stuff in the air. And makes lots of noise too. These are all very very good things for the oil companies and what’s good for the oil companies is good for…. The oil companies!

Snark off.
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Van Carter
06:32 PM on 06/11/2010
This would have received a presidential veto if it passed in any case.

There is good in our government and if they were freer to act, we would see more of this.
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JCCross
05:56 PM on 06/11/2010
Hmmm... maybe there IS a god?
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steve11407
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04:20 PM on 06/11/2010
Just giving more power to the gov to regulate the market on feelings and emotion rather than scientific fact. More power to a single person sitting in the White House, dem or repub. One more move toward central power. The creep is getting more and more noticeable. This power does not belong to the president.
04:39 PM on 06/11/2010
I think you misread the story...

The point is that, Congress attempted to grab power away from the Supreme Court, which ordered EPA to perform an endangerment finding on CO2. It's a good thing for power balance that this measure went down.

Also... Feelings and emotion rather than science? Are you insane?
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steve11407
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06:07 PM on 06/11/2010
Are you kidding. The point is the EPA at the direction of the President(one man reguardless of party) has the power to regulate greenhouse gas and any other environmental agenda he choses. Central power and command. This argument clearly belongs to congress. Its just the lilly livered democrats who know it belongs to them are glad to politically put it off on the president. When election time comes they wash their hands of it. Lower than a snakes belly
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
08:31 PM on 06/11/2010
Is it time for your kool-aid break? Glen Beck is on TV. Hurry!!
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MTmel
Dental Floss Tycoon
04:12 PM on 06/11/2010
Murkowski =

Piece

Of

Work
04:11 PM on 06/11/2010
A pity. The EPA is now doomed to disappear in a tidal wave of ridicule and contempt.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
06:45 PM on 06/11/2010
SecondTime: "Nor will you use the Stefan-Boltzman equations as if they were evidence [for AGW] when it has been shown they don't work for the moon."

Me: "Um, really. That's not something I was taught while studying atmospheric physics in graduate school, SecondTime - perhaps you can enlighten me as to how the moon violates the Stefan-Boltzmann LAW of physics...

Do you agree with the following ClimateChangeFraud.com assertion you cited to 'support' your assertion, SecondTime?

'Stefan-Boltzmann never intended for his numbers to be applied to a three-dimensional rotating planet.' "

SecondTime: "First of all we are not dealing with a Stefan Boltzman, but with two physicists with the surnames Stefan and Boltzman"

Close - it's Boltzmann. In any event congrats - you figured out the obvious hint I gave you...

Not only were Stefan and Boltzmann different people, but in physics they are both hugely famous - one cannot have been educated in atmospheric physics and not known who they were. As such that ClimateChangeFraud.com assertion is laughable on its face - the climate science equivalent of asserting:

"Lennon-McCartney never intended for his songs to be played by..."

ClimateChangeFraud.com is a joke.

"Okay, okay, so ClimateChangeFraud.com didn't know who two of the most famous scientists in all of climate science were," you may say. "But what about the equations?"

That part of ClimateChangeFraud.com's assertion is even more of a joke.

continued...
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
06:47 PM on 06/11/2010
...continued

SecondTime: "Second, of course I agree that their equations were not intended to be applied to real bodies of a kind familiar to them, such as a 3 dimensional rotating planet, or for that matter, its moon or moons. THey invented an abstract construct, the black-body to allow the development of a simple model. But this little old planet is neither simple, nor a black-body."

In physics this little old planet - and also the Moon - are not regarded as ideal black bodies, but instead as gray bodies. Thus for many scenarios the Stefan-Boltzmann *grey body* equation,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan-Boltzmann_law

not the Stefan-Boltzmann black body equation, is applied to them.

Also for upper-boundary scenarios the Stefan-Boltzmann black body equation is applicable all planets and moons (and for that matter all stars and innumerable other physical bodies) in any event.

Did I mention that ClimateChangeFraud.com is a joke?

ClimateChangeFraud.com would even more of a joke if there weren't so many gullible -- and anything but truly *skeptical* -- people like you, SecondTime, who take clueless denier propaganda sites including that one seriously.

Hope this helps.
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EcnelisDoogod
B the change you want 2C
08:36 PM on 06/11/2010
Pub, I think that this post was intended for:
Beyond "Climategeddon" - from science education to solutions
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realpolitic
Proud member of the reality-based community!
05:00 AM on 06/13/2010
Well, I don't think the EPA will disappear any time soon, especially for regulating emissions of co2 which is what the Supreme Court told them they should do.
04:08 PM on 06/11/2010
The EPA really needs to get active and ban another substance: Dihydrogen monoxide

Dihydrogen monoxide”
* is called "hydroxyl acid", the substance is the major component of acid rain.
* contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
* may cause severe burns.
* is fatal if inhaled.
* contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
* accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
* may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
* has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.

Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:
* as an industrial solvent and coolant.
* in nuclear power plants.
* in the production of Styrofoam.
* as a fire retardant.
* in many forms of cruel animal research.
* in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
* as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.
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Exusian
Nature bats last
04:15 PM on 06/11/2010
That's so cleaver it's usually heard in junior high.
04:21 PM on 06/11/2010
True. Scary thing is that people many times react without knowing all the facts.
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rhomsky
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03:01 PM on 06/11/2010
One of many ture heroes and pioneers who was way ahead of her time and loved Mother Earth - http://www.rachelcarson.org/

Nixon is rolling in his grave. Check this out trolls. He was one of you and even this wretched crook had at least some respect for our planet. - http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/epa/15c.htm
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rhomsky
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03:16 PM on 06/11/2010
*true*
04:03 PM on 06/11/2010
Nixon was a troll? Nixon was a typical environmentalist, in that he believed in rigging the game and then trying to cover up the crime. Nixon was exposed in Watergate, and the Climatologists have been exposed in Climategate. Maybe his is rolling in his grave.
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
02:31 PM on 06/11/2010
No more oil for energy, Yeah.
No more oil for plastics.
No more oil for drugs.
No more oil for fertilizer.
No more oil for clothing.
No more oil for lubrication.
We don' need no stinken oil.
04:47 PM on 06/11/2010
Every one of your posts get successively less intelligible.

One day, there will be no more oil for any of those things. There's a limited amount of the stuff, ya know?

Add to that the fact that it's clearly causing damage to atmospheric chemistry (read the science. there is no global warming controversy. Fox made it up), and it only seems logical that we should move towards technologies that help us a) now and b) in the future.
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
02:29 PM on 06/11/2010
CO2 is very different from conventional pollutants.

All photosynthesizing plant life requires CO2 to live.
Additional CO2 is like a fertilizer,and plants convert it to Oxygen.

Oxygen, there is the real culprit.
Oxygen is an excellerant.
Itis an oxidizer.
We must limit the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere and cut out the middle polutant of CO2.

Oh, and water vapor. Bad. Very bad.
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Exusian
Nature bats last
03:38 PM on 06/11/2010
Sigh, more CO2 is plant food distraction.

While true, it is a completely irrelevant truth since no one is proposing to reduce CO2 levels enough to "starve" any plants, and since it has nothing what so ever to do with the radiative properties of CO2 as a greenhouse gas.

But hey, that's the purpose of dan's post: to distract your attention from the radiative properties of CO2.
04:43 PM on 06/11/2010
Nobody's talking about small concentrations of CO2 (and yes, growing plants in a higher CO2 concentration DOES make them grow faster). This measure is talking about large-scale releases of CO2 that brings its atmospheric concentration to the highest levels in millions of years.

Got any arguments at all related to the story? Or was your whole point that CO2 is MiracleGro?

p.s. "accelerant"
01:38 PM on 06/11/2010
Why do the Republicans hate this country so much? They do not have a problem with big oil destroying the environment. They want to rescind the authority of the Environmental Protection Agency to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act. They are for deregulating every aspect of society without giving much thought to the serious repercussions of an unregulated market. They wanted to get rid of the Board of Education and I could go on and on. I am amazed as to why these people are in power and being elected to office time and time again. The caliber of elected officials that we have in office are not acting in the good faith of this nation and are taking down this soon to be once great nation. We the people have to let the greedy career politicians know that enough is enough.
02:30 PM on 06/11/2010
Maybe you should consider that the conservatives think the same about liberals. They think liberals hate america, and want to destroy it with regulation.
marilyn 63
LEVEL ONE NETWORKER
07:36 PM on 06/11/2010
YEAH WHY DO REPUBLICANS HATE THIS COUNTRY?!!!
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rhomsky
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07:37 PM on 06/11/2010
You make a good theoretical point Eco. i.e. political polarization. Where it loses all validity is when you say "conservatives think". Maybe if you make a time machine or break out a ouija board you can go back and talk to some real conservatives because they don't exist anymore and if by "conservatives", you mean republicans then your completely lost.
04:02 PM on 06/11/2010
I would also add that you learn what carbon leakage is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_leakage

Its basically pushing industry out of the US to more inefficient plants in other parts of the world. The regulation will reduce CO2 emissions in the US. However, this comes at the cost of US jobs and industry, while actually increasing the global CO2 production.