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Lobbyists Aid For-Profit College Student Group

ERIC GORSKI   06/13/10 06:42 PM ET   AP

Tom Harkin

A few months ago, Dawn Connor was just another college student, attending night courses to become a veterinary technician and practicing her trade by spaying and neutering dogs and cats from a local shelter.

These days, the 33-year-old from Eau Claire, Wis., is shaking hands on Capitol Hill and speaking at news conferences in Las Vegas, the new public face of the satisfied for-profit college student.

Standing closely behind her is the Career College Association, a lobbying group for for-profit schools that provided the organizational muscle to launch the grassroots-sounding Students for Academic Choice at a time when for-profit colleges are under fire.

The Career College Association helped the students establish a website, draft bylaws and set up an online election that resulted in Connor being elected the group's president – all at a time when for-profit colleges are intensifying lobbying efforts against tougher federal regulations expected to be proposed in the coming days.

"I'm skeptical of the organic nature of the group given that it is completely towing the association's line," said Christine Lindstrom, higher education program director at the U.S. Public Interest Research Group.

Harris Miller, president of the Career College Association, said his group extended a helping hand to busy nontraditional students who otherwise wouldn't have a voice – and says the new group stands on its own.

"This will be, I think, as this organization grows and gets legs, an effective antidote to those people who hang on a few disgruntled students or former students and somehow think it's typical of the student reality," Miller said.

Although for-profit schools are the fastest growing sector of higher education, there's been little organizing by students themselves. When a voice is heard, it's usually a dissatisfied former student or graduate describing dubious recruitment practices, staggering debt or training that left them ill-prepared to pay it off.

That has long irritated for-profit school officials. But no student counter message has emerged until now, a sensitive time for for-profit colleges.

Last week, Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, chairman of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, announced plans to hold hearings starting June 24 to examine federal education spending at for-profit colleges.

And in the coming days, the Education Department is expected to propose new regulations that could, among other things, cut off federal aid to vocational programs whose graduates don't earn enough to pay of their student loans.

Studies show for-profit students are much more likely than other students to default on their loans, and the government is paying closer attention because of the huge amounts of federal aid students take to the schools.

For-profit schools are lobbying hard against the so-called "gainful employment" proposal, which would also apply to community colleges but don't pose a threat to them because their tuition is low.

Fighting the regulations is the first cause of Students for Academic Choice, which gathered 32,000 signatures on an online petition opposing the rules to Education Secretary Arne Duncan.

Miller said it's been hard for students in the sector to get involved politically because so many of them balance school, work and families. Other college student associations, he said, are funded in large part by their universities and colleges, and their student leaders are given time off by their schools to take part in activities.

Miller said students from the sector have long wanted to get more involved. He said a group of students attending the association's annual Hill Day lobbying event this spring got together and asked whether they could get support from the association to put together a formal student organization.

Connor, however, said the idea originated not with students but representatives of for-profits schools, including faculty, who approached students during the event to gauge their interest.

The Career College Association is "the grandfather for us," Connor said in a phone interview from Las Vegas, where the student group was introduced at the association's annual convention that ended Friday. "They kind of got us going. But now they're taking the training wheels off and saying, 'Go for it and let's see what you guys can do.'"

Connor was a collegiate drifter. She said she graduated early from high school and enrolled at three different nonprofit colleges, changing majors a few times without earning a degree.

Then she found the Eau Claire campus of for-profit Globe University, which offered a flexible schedule that allowed her to attend class at night while she worked full-time in a health care job.

It wasn't cheap. Tuition to complete a two-year associate's degree in veterinary technology at Globe runs $44,820, and lab fees and books are extra. Connor said it cost her less because she had transfer credits.

Even so, she said the state-of-the-art surgical suites and small classes is worth the extra expense.

Her experience was so good, she raised her hand when the university's government affairs liaison sent an e-mail looking for students to represent the school at the Career College Association's Hill Day in March in Washington.

When the new student group began taking shape, she said she became the "annoying girl who was e-mailing everyone" to win an election determined by the votes of 150 students and alumni.

Connor said that while she understands the government's desire to protect students from being buried in debt, the gainful employment proposal would restrict student choices without data to back it up.

Career college officials argue the proposal would shutter job-training programs while doing nothing to fix the debt problem, and propose giving students more information as an alternative solution.

While longer-term goals are a work in progress, Connor said one is to provide a support system for students. For now, the executive team is Connor and two other students.

Not everyone is impressed. Lauren Asher, president of the Institute for College Access & Success, calls Students for Academic Choice "an industry-sponsored group." Asher criticized its website, which features little more than the petition, "as not giving folks who come to it any information about what's sponsoring it or what's really at stake."

At the same time, for-profit college students don't really have a home in established groups. The United States Student Association, billed as the country's largest student-led organization, has no for-profit college student members.

Legislative director Angela Peoples said the association hopes to change that and will reach out to the new group. She welcomed the new voice, but also said it's needed because for-profit students don't get a say as student trustees or in the tuition-setting process like students at traditional schools do.

Supporters of the gainful employment proposal say for-profit college programs can avoid closure simply by cutting their tuition and improving their product. What student, they wonder, wouldn't go for that?

"The for-profit sector is basically subsidized by federal loans," said Kevin Kinser, an associate professor at the State University of New York at Albany who studies for-profit colleges. "So there's an important interest that we're subsidizing students but not the for-profits themselves."

Connor said lower tuition "would be great. In the real world, that would be great if we could lower the price for everything. But that's just not an option at this point in time. That's not the point we're trying to get to right now."

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blood1
09:52 AM on 06/15/2010
A night shift clerk at the hospital in which I was employed was working part-time towards her LVN license. When she approached the Private For Profit school, she asked the right question: Is the training sufficient so that she could be licensed anywhere outside the State. Answer: NO. She was smart enough to realize that going to a Community College was both less expensive and would be nationally recognized.

Unfortunately, these For Profit Schools don't tell students those facts, unless they ask. So while I am sure some will say that it is the responsibility of the student, I would believe that if the program does not allow for national certification, then that information should be clearly and boldly stated. Otherwise, it is a lemon, from which lemonade cannot be made.
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blood1
09:47 AM on 06/15/2010
At a job fair at my hospital (circa 2006-7), the Radiology Department was flooded by about 50 applicants who had been trained at a for-profit tech school. The ads running on local TV "promised" an expanse of jobs. OK, true, expanse of jobs is all well and fine, except they did not train these individuals for those jobs, they trained them to be assistants to those high tech jobs. Needless to say, the Radiology Department representative just took their resumes as if you read one, you read them all. Empathy to the students who were lied to.
REDSTATEREFUGEE
Texan by birth ; Californian by choice
12:50 AM on 06/15/2010
Being currently employed in the belly of the beast in a Central California for profit institution of "higher learning," I can vouch that my particular school is definitely in operation for the money. If student learning takes place, well, that is an unintended consequence. Examples: instructional staff are not permitted to drop students for absenteeism, meaning that non-attendees will be kept on the books as attending far beyond a normal cut off date for federal funding purposes.

In one of my classes, fully fifty percent are sporadically attending, comfortable in the knowledge that they are untouchable.....at least for the moment. At the end of term, I am forced to assign them grades of F, but, no matter, the school has already earned over $1,000 for a course that costs around $60 at a local community college. This cynical approach is devastating to students, but highly profitable for management's cash flow. Meanwhile, the institution pays below scale for even community colleges in the area....

While they are still "enrolled," my sometime students will often earn a stipend for living expenses while supposedly attending, over and above tuition, fees, and books. Too, they do not have to study, participate in class, or in general perform as college students. While I have no experience with other area for profits, I am relatively certain the same kind of gaming of our tax dollars takes place.....
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Anaxamenes
It's not how big your micro-bio is...
09:14 PM on 06/14/2010
At my public university, student leaders were not given time off for their activities, though I'm sure they could ask their professor if they could make up work. Also, most of them had work life balance issues as well.

More importantly, the people I've talked to who attended the for profit school that I was thinking of going to have said it was obvious the school was there to make money, their programs were very expensive for what education they received and there wasn't as many services offered because of the profit margin.
fourtruth
9th Ammendment, Bill of Rights
06:05 PM on 06/14/2010
Get 'em while they are young. Get the rest anyway you can.

Put enough people out of work and in upside down mortgages and the world is their oyster.
05:00 PM on 06/14/2010
I am 43 years old and lost 2 jobs in 3 years, I needed to get an education and some skills fast. I attend one of these "for profit" schools and it's been a God send. I will agree that some of the educational offerings are a bit sketchy and it is expensive for sure
, but if you go in with your eyes open work hard and make the right choices in an education program I believe it's every bit as good an education as any traditional school. The teachers are all professional educators with advanced degrees and I've learned a lot. I feel my school wants me to be a success and goes well above and beyond to help me achieve my goals. I went to a traditional when I was younger and I was treated like a number. Without the "for profit" schools doing what they do so many non traditional students such as myself would be locked out of the opportunity for higher education and all that brings with it.
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Anaxamenes
It's not how big your micro-bio is...
09:17 PM on 06/14/2010
I'm glad you had such a good experience with your for profit school. I think really we don't want to stop for profit schools we just need a way of making sure that students are getting the best education for their money be it from a private school or public school. Eliminating predatory recruiting practices, and inflated value should be a top priority.
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isis
Job 39:5 - Who has sent out the wild ass free?
02:26 PM on 06/14/2010
Go Tom!
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DeBartolo
01:00 PM on 06/14/2010
When the mortgage crisis was being realized,and its effect on the nations economy was first being realized, I posted on the HUFFINGTON POST that the NEXT financial disaster to hit the American Tax Payers would be the ABUSE of the TITLE IV Financial Aid Student Loan Program. I was made light of and my post were mocked as an old man who DID NOT KNOW WHAT HE WAS TAKLING ABOUT.

This is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of HOW WRONG the Tea Party, Religious Rights and GOP is with their TOO MUCH GOVERNMENT and TOO MANY REGULATIONS. The Abuses of the Student Loan Progam (about to be revealed) are a DIRECT result of the BUSH/CHENEY DE-REGULATIONS in the Dept of Education, giving one sector of their supports a license to Abuse TAX DOLLARS.
12:49 PM on 06/14/2010
these schools are worthless and will end up creating a bubble-crash in the education system similar to the one in the housing market, which will ruin the education system for generations to come.
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Anaxamenes
It's not how big your micro-bio is...
09:18 PM on 06/14/2010
We need a simple, intuitive system for rating colleges and universities so students will understand the basics of what they will be getting, regardless of where they go. The hard part is getting a non-political group with a diverse background to do the ratings. We should probably hire Switzerland or something.
12:29 PM on 06/14/2010
Wait a minute.

I thought ALL colleges in America are FOR PROFIT.

Tell me which one is NOT?
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DeBartolo
12:50 PM on 06/14/2010
INCORRECT.

All state and private religious universities are "NOT-FOR-PROFIT" or "NONE PROFIT" colleges and inversities. Meaning: Profits are put back into the schools as scholarships, trust, new facilities. "FOR-PROFIT CAREER/TECHINICAL SCHOOLS are owned by ONE or MORE individuals, or a corporation (Ex:SEC, INC). where profits are paid to ONE individual or stock holders. Example: Keiser Univeristy, Ft Lauderdale is a FOR PROFIT school owned by Evelyn Keiser and her son, Art... who's tuition is higher than the state univesity tuition while targeting a NON-TRADITIONAL student who does not qualify for admittance into a major university.
12:21 PM on 06/14/2010
Shill.
12:10 PM on 06/14/2010
older parasites beget younger parasites.

nothing new.
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ljmck
Stand Up, Show Up, Speak Up
11:30 AM on 06/14/2010
Universities with athletic divisions are already for-profit institutions. Then there are Harvard and other wealthy colleges, with so much money that they can afford to have Lawrence Summers and others speculate in derivatives and other financial instruments. Education is already big business. But it should not be so.
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DeBartolo
01:09 PM on 06/14/2010
Your wrong! State Universities, Religious colleges and universities are "NOT FOR PROFIT" institutions.... The profits from these schools and colleges, and their athletic departments,go BACK into the unversity as scholarships, trust, facility up grades and research. Check the web site of any state or religious university...it will state they are "NOT FOR PROFIT". Profit from "FOR PROFIT" universities and colleges goes into the pockets of ONE individual, or corportation.
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ljmck
Stand Up, Show Up, Speak Up
04:03 PM on 06/14/2010
I did not explain my case well. I'm saying colleges are knowingly involved in a profit machine, one that does not benefit the taxpayers that pay for the programs.

Many colleges sell themselves out in support of their athletics divisions, where the amount of money that is generated and changes hands is substantial. Schools themselves rarely make a profit or even break even, although they generate tremendous profits for all the vendors in athletics programs, and those vendors are often closely tied into college administration and oversight. So one hand washes the other, while taxpayers pay and pay and pay.

College athletics are a profit machine, just not for the colleges themselves. Schools spend a tremendous amount recruiting donors for athletics. The funds generated by athletic divisions are mostly ploughed right back into the athletic division and do not benefit academic programs. In fact, the rest of the school in most colleges ends up subsidizing athletic programs, if not outright, then by paying for all the costs of grounds and plant maintenance and fund raising that are usually folded into the overall budget.

I'm saying that profit making already corrupts many colleges; we don't need more.
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mrm3
11:08 AM on 06/14/2010
It works if you go into an in-demand career. Especially if that career is more of a trade.

If you're going to one of these schools for an 'eMBA' or for English studies, etc. you're better off going to the non-profit equivalent or not going at all.
10:52 AM on 06/14/2010
I sure this will work out as well as, for profit health insurance and for profit oil drilling.