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UC Irvine Suspends Muslim Group Over Disruption

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JACOB ADELMAN   06/14/10 07:20 PM ET   AP

LOS ANGELES — A University of California, Irvine, disciplinary committee ruled that a Muslim student group should be suspended for at least a year because of a protest that disrupted a talk by Israel's ambassador and led to the arrest of 11 students, according to documents released Monday.

The letter from a student affairs disciplinary committee to Muslim Student Union leaders said the group was guilty of disorderly conduct, obstructing university activities, furnishing false information and other violations of campus policy.

University spokeswoman Cathy Lawhon said the committee's decision will be a binding recommendation to the campus' office of student affairs if a planned appeal by the group does not succeed.

MSU attorney Reem Salahi said the committee relied on evidence relied that was "inadequate and problematic" but declined to outline the group's challenge in detail. She said the decision, if sustained, would leave Muslim students without an organization representing their interests.

"It really does have very lasting constitutional implications," she said. "It's a chilling effect for Muslims on campus and their right to associate."

Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren was repeatedly interrupted and called "murderer" and "war criminal" by pro-Palestinian students as he was giving a talk on the Middle East peace process in February.

Eleven students were cited on charges of disrupting a public event after they were requested to refrain from heckling but did not.

Orange County district attorney spokeswoman Susan Schroeder said criminal charges have yet to be filed and it was unknown if or when they would be.

The MSU condemned the ambassador's appearance but insisted it did not organize the protests.

The disciplinary committee, however, said a review of online message group conversations and minutes from an MSU meeting revealed that the group did engineer the protests and instructed participants to lie about its involvement.

The group's preparations allegedly included scripting statements for protesters to make during the event and instructing participants to cheer at disruptions.

"Be VERY LOUD, firm and strong ... but remain composed and under control. Do not let your emotions get the best of you. Remember that this is a planned/calculated response and not a venting session," the committee quoted organizers as telling participants in meeting minutes.

The committee also ruled that the group should be put on disciplinary probation for a year following its suspension, which ends in August 2011, and that members collectively complete 50 hours of community service.

The letter, dated May 27, was released following a Freedom of Information Act request by the Jewish Federation Orange County.

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06:58 PM on 06/16/2010
Things that have happened at MSU events in the past three years:
-A guy walked around wearing fake bombs strapped to his chest, holding a sign saying he was Muslim
-A Rabbi wore a clown suit, walked around the speaker throughout the event, passing out balloons.
-Christian preachers loudly yell hate speech telling everyone they are going to hell
-AFI's aggressive counter-protest to the organized protest held by MSU and various other organizations after the December raids in Gaza. They AFI members overtly got in peoples faces, tried to drown out the chants, surrounded the members, etc.
-AFI placed their booth in an unauthorized zone and was not asked to move
-Young Republicans came on campus, pretending to be Muslim men, threw fake stones at one of their members clad in a burka, and shouted disrespectful things at all the Muslim women and men who passed by

Also, during the Oren event, older members in the audience made gestures of violence and shouted hateful things at the MSU members.

During each one of these incidences, despite the individuals attempting to provoke and incite the MSU members, the MSU members never lobbied for any of these people to be quieted, to be removed, to be suspended from their activities.

Apparently its okay to be rude and disrespectful to Rachel Corries' parents, Cynthia McKinney, Anna Baltzer, Norman Finkelstein, George Galloway at MSU events, but a no-no if there is an organized effort against an Israeli ambassador.
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Zoya Ahmad
08:15 PM on 06/16/2010
Very true. As someone who attended the event, I can tell you that I was subject to death threats, crude hand gestures, and hateful comments. There was a video made recording some of these incidents: http://www.youtube.com/user/StandWithTheEleven#p/u/4/1OqtSYx4CZ0. This doesn't even encompass the majority of comments and intimidation by the audience members, however, which were not recorded on video.

How come those audience members were not cited in any way whereas brothers who conducted a peaceful protest were? I would certainly say they were obstructing university activities and exhibited lewd conduct.

The protesters, not the 10 who made statements nor the others who participated, did not even do anything wrong. Oren completed his talk, and there was more than enough time for him to have a Q&A session if he wanted to. It's not as if the venue was closing up or something. It was his own decision to not have one. Additionally, the protesters left peacefully, without any resistance. Is it illegal to organize protests now?
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05:12 AM on 06/16/2010
At least none of them were shot in the head multiple times. I guess they should count themselves lucky that they were subject to American laws, and not Israeli ones.
04:46 PM on 06/15/2010
Wow, student disruptions at UCI? What does it think it is, Berkeley?
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nappyman
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11:45 AM on 06/15/2010
The MSU at Irvine has a history of controversy. I rememeber when I was there a classmate of mine was a foreign student from Lebanon and she was very westernized. But after a year at Irvine she became alot more conservative.

But its more a southern california thing I always thought. Its very conservative, and the young republicans were a very visible group too. As well as Hillel constantly battling the MSU.
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JPalka
08:01 AM on 06/15/2010
What I do not understand is why MSU felt compelled to lie about their involvement? I mean, when the Islamists in their homeland stage a protest, they claim responsibility afterwards...
09:21 AM on 06/15/2010
It's immaturity. They want the privilege of free speech without any responsibility for their actions.
04:47 PM on 06/15/2010
bah, nothing of the sort. They knew that UCI would can 'em.
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mtracy9
07:30 AM on 06/15/2010
I wonder when the University of California Irvine will be inviting

a representative of Palestinian self-determination to give a speech?
10:19 AM on 06/15/2010
When they do, I'm sure the pro-Israel supporters will do exactly what MSU did. After all, members of the Israeli Knesset just last week yelled "traitor! terrorist!" at other MKs for criticizing the raid on the flotilla.

Or, another example. Did you see that Jon Stewart interview with Anna Baltzer and Mustafa Barghouti? It was a Jewish woman who supported Palestinian human rights, and a Palestinian lifelong campaigner for non-violent protest. Even so, someone sitting in the crowd decided he was important enough to start yelling and heckling from off-screen.

People just loooove to pretend they have the moral high ground. When you start yelling in the middle of a speech (I'm looking at you, Mr Joe Wilson), you just make yourself-- and your cause-- look stupid. Save your questions til the end, please.
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David Hewitt
12:32 PM on 06/15/2010
There were several speaking on campus last month.
05:03 AM on 06/15/2010
I wonder how the Muslim students whining about 'freedom of speech' would react if a group of artists on campus organized a Draw Muhammad symposium?
07:42 AM on 06/15/2010
They did. Nothing happened.
04:48 PM on 06/15/2010
LOL fail
04:53 AM on 06/15/2010
The stealth jihad on college campus is dealt a blow.
10:14 AM on 06/15/2010
But there's a secret Muslim in the White House! And I'm sure aliens are involved! Everyone's coming to get you aaaaah!
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tullydad
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01:31 AM on 06/15/2010
If I were a member of the group, I'd take it underground and cause the UC-Irvine adminstration some long term stress. I don't think that the Muslim students at Irvine will stop organizing.
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tyruler
01:39 AM on 06/15/2010
As they shouldn't. This is an abridgment of their right to freely organize and associate, not to mention their free speech though the University can say they can restrict anything since it is on their premises.
09:23 AM on 06/15/2010
Oh, get real! If a fraternity hazes pleges, they get suspended. If anyone misbehaves, they get suspended. All of a sudden, the Muslims are to be treated special? They can freely associate, but they can't do it on campus under this group's name. Do the crime=do the punishment.
10:20 AM on 06/15/2010
Underground? You mean dig tunnels back into the auditorium? ^_^
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porsche996
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01:31 AM on 06/15/2010
It was inspiring when President Obama spoke at Notre Dame and some hecklers interrupted him...the student body's response was to begin the "We Are" Chant in solidarity and a display and reminder of respect. UC Irvine might want to follow such an example in the future.

What can we expect from Anteaters?
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tyruler
01:38 AM on 06/15/2010
I surely bet President Obama didn't bring up criminal charges against his hecklers as the Jewish federations and other powerful, pro-Israel interest groups did with the student Muslim group.

One standard for Jewish students (i.e. remember the hecklers of Iran's President not only at Columbia, New York UN's, but in Congress (even when he's not there trying to find something to condemn Iran with) and another for the Muslim groups condemning Israel.

Pathetic.
09:24 AM on 06/15/2010
It's called responsibility. They organized a protest; they lied about their measures and plans, and they got caught.
04:10 AM on 06/15/2010
"What can we expect from Anteaters?"

Sadly, not much. Popular campus sentiment is against the MSU. There's a Facebook group 500 members strong denouncing them.

As a UCI graduate, I find the administration's recommendation of a suspension a blatant double-standard. In my years at the school, I personally witnessed several MSU events crashed by pro-Israel students (and sometimes, in very nasty ways), yet the administration failed to do anything about it.
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David Hewitt
01:26 AM on 06/15/2010
These events come in the wake of the establishment of a committee to promote civility and tolerance by the UCI Chancellor, multiple emails to the entire student body about not disrupting speakers even when you disagree with them, and a speaker on campus who apparently endorsed terrorism as a course of action in the Middle East.

Chancellor's web page on civility & tolerance (with links to remarks about the speaker endorsing terrorism and to the UC Irvine council on diversity membership):

http://www.chancellor.uci.edu/100510_civility_resources.php

If you walk around on campus at UC Irvine on most days you'll see multiple booths for Muslim organizations, Christian organizations, clubs for students of various ethnicities, athiests, travel, sororities & fraternities, athletic clubs... it's a big place with a lot of stuff going on (with over 21,000 undergraduates and over 4000 graduate students), and it is a much more liberal insititution in general than Orange County as a whole.

Link to a "portrait" of UC Irvine (demographic and survey information about students) prepared by the university: http://www.oir.uci.edu/portrait/uci-college-portrait.pdf
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David Hewitt
02:02 AM on 06/15/2010
Looks like the Israeli ambassador protests were in February; the Muslim Student Union's "Israeli Apartheid Week" and speakers occured in May. Links in the first article above also discuss the initial speech and reactions.

Here's additional coverage of the Israeli Apartheid Week from the OC Register - they try to show multiple viewpoints.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/malik-248732-ali-israeli.html?videos=1
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porsche996
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01:25 AM on 06/15/2010
I think the photo used for this story about UC Irvine is of a building on the Cal State Northridge Campus.

It's absurd but easily plausible that the MSU students didn't think that putting their plans in writing would be a bad idea. They are seriously in need of an education.
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David Hewitt
01:38 AM on 06/15/2010
I think it's a shot of the library. Here's a view from the UCI site.

http://www.physics.uci.edu/~silverma/build/mainlibrary.jpg
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porsche996
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01:47 AM on 06/15/2010
Thanks, I agree, I'm trying to find pictures on-line of a very similar building at CSUN.
Not having any luck...oh well..Thanks.
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tullydad
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01:21 AM on 06/15/2010
Members of the UC-Irvine adminstration were quite naive if they thought that Muslim students would not attempt to protest the Israeli ambassador. I say reprimand them for their civil disobedience, but make it proportional. Anything otherwise singles out Muslims unfairly and creates ongoing problems for all of Irvine's students.
07:43 AM on 06/15/2010
The whole point of bringing the Israeli ambassador was to shove the school's party line down their throats.
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Mortifyd
04:33 PM on 06/15/2010
College is one of those places where you learn that not everyone thinks or believes like you do.
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CroatianCritter
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01:07 AM on 06/15/2010
Criminal charges? Really? For exercising their 1st Amendment rights! If a speaker can't handle getting heckled, he probably should not be speaking. I wonder if a Jewish group had heckled a Muslim speaker if they would have suffered the same consequences? I think we know the answer to that question.
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tyruler
01:23 AM on 06/15/2010
Agreed. This is as outrageous as it reeks of pro-Israel and pro-Jewish double standards yet again. One rule for Muslim students and Muslim murdered by Israel and another for other groups including say the admirable Code Pink who routinely exercise their 1st amendment free speech rights by heckling at the likes of Condi Rice without being "criminally charged."
09:26 AM on 06/15/2010
Do you suppose it's because the Muslims broke the rules and then lied about it? Nah, couldn't be that, right?
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thereisonlyoneparty
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01:06 AM on 06/15/2010
I think what steams my beans the most about this is that the MSU (Muslim something of uhh..Merica? I have no idea.) is politicizing itself.

I hate all religions as much as or more than most other people, but I am am kind of disappointed when I see one decide that it needs to be political. How does this help the religion? The assumption already is that islam is a religion that only cares about its political and not theological standing. This does not help. I hate religion, but as a word of advice I would say that maye it is not the best thing to use one's religioin as an excuse to make some grand political statement.
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tyruler
01:27 AM on 06/15/2010
What in the world are you talking about?

Islam as a religion does not talk. It can not speak. I believe you mean Muslims or followers of Islam you're referring to and of course just like there a Jews, Americans, Native Americans, Buddhists, Yow-zees who take political stances, Muslims will take political stances on what they believe is their just cause.
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thereisonlyoneparty
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10:47 AM on 06/15/2010
Umm... The group is based on religion. And it making a political point--a bad one at that--as a group representing the religion to the university community. The group was not helping the religion here. It was hurting it. Now I should be the first to support them morons as they help to bring down their religion, but even I think what they did was stupid.

This is not an individual making a political statement. This was a group doing it. They planned it out and everything. It was not the Students for the Promotion of Palestine that made the statement. It was the Muslim Something Something. If you want to have your beliefs, keep them the hell out of politics. They have no place there.
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thereisonlyoneparty
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10:50 AM on 06/15/2010
And according to LAT:

The plan included identifying students willing to participate, drafting scripted statements and urging supporters to attend and cheer each disruption. The plan also instructed students to deny that the Muslim Student Union organized the protest, according to the report.

Stick that is your pipe and smoke it. Religion and religious organizations at university stink.