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Fremont, Nebraska To Vote On Illegal Immigration Measure

TIMBERLY ROSS   06/20/10 10:29 PM ET   AP

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In this photo taken June 19, 2010 an unidentified person walks past a patriotic mural in Fremont, Neb. Angered by a recent influx of Hispanic workers attracted by jobs at local meatpacking plants, voters in the eastern Nebraska city of Fremont will vote Monday whether to ban hiring or renting property to illegal immigrants. (AP Photo/Clay Lomneth)

FREMONT, Neb. — Angered by a recent influx of Hispanic workers attracted by jobs at local meatpacking plants, voters in the eastern Nebraska city of Fremont will decide Monday whether to ban hiring or renting property to illegal immigrants.

The vote will be the culmination of a two-year fight that saw proponents collect enough signatures to put the question to a public vote. If the ordinance is approved, the community of 25,000 people could face a long and costly court battle. Either way, the emotions stirred up won't settle quickly.

"Even if we say 'no' ... we still need to say, 'How do we get along with each other now?'" said Kristin Ostrom, who helps oversee a campaign against the measure.

Across the nation, people have been outraged by – and demanded action against – the poor enforcement of federal laws to prevent illegal immigration. A law recently introduced in Arizona requires police to question people on their immigration status if there's a "reasonable suspicion" they are illegal.

A man who helped write the Arizona law is helping to fight for the ordinance in Fremont, which has seen its Hispanic population surge in the past two decades. That increase is largely because they were recruited to work for the Fremont Beef and Hormel plants, and the city maintains an enviably low unemployment rate.

Nonetheless, residents worry that jobs are going to illegal immigrants who they fear could drain community resources.

Clint Walraven, who has lived in Fremont all his 51 years, said the jobs should go to legal residents who are unemployed – something he believes the ordinance would help fix. Discussions on the issue can get heated, he said, particularly if racism is mentioned.

"It has nothing to do with being racist," he said. "We all have to play by the same rules. ... If you want to stay here, get legal."

When he worked at the Hormel plant in the 1980s, Walraven said, he had one Hispanic co-worker.

From about 165 Hispanics – both legal and illegal – living in Fremont in 1990, the total surged to 1,085 in 2000, according to census expert David Drozd at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. He said an estimated 2,060 Hispanics lived there last year. In May, Fremont recorded just 4.9 percent unemployment, in line with the statewide rate and significantly lower than the national average of 9.7 percent.

If approved, the measure will require potential renters to apply for a license to rent. The application process will force Fremont officials to check if the renters are in the country legally. If they are found to be illegal, they will not be issued a license allowing them to rent.

The ordinance also requires businesses to use the federal E-Verify database to ensure employees are allowed to work.

Supporters of the proposal say it's needed to make up for what they see as lax federal law enforcement. Opponents say it could fuel discrimination.

Results are expected Monday night.

Ron Tillery, executive director of the Fremont Chamber of Commerce, which opposes the measure, said businesses are concerned the E-Verify system isn't reliable and that they would be subject to fines if forced to rely on it. He pointed out that the main targets of the ordinance – the Fremont Beef and Hormel plants – would not be covered by it anyway because they are located outside the city.

Walraven said the measure is necessary because workers send their salaries to family in Mexico instead of spending it in the city.

"I understand supporting your family," he said, "But it's very much at our expense. We're footing the bill."

Those costs include spending on education and medical care, said Jerry Hart, a Fremont resident who petitioned for the vote. He said the ordinance would help curb that spending and protect jobs.

He said it would also end the divisiveness that's taken over.

"The division is because the illegal aliens are here and nobody's taken care of it," he said. "If it does not pass, it's going to get worse."

The Fremont Tribune has reported several instances of legal Hispanic residents being told to return to Mexico, including a woman who was shoved and yelled at by an elderly white man in a grocery store.

Hart said he's been called a Nazi.

"Fear is kind of guiding," said Ostrom, adding that frustration about immigration issues nationwide ignites a misconception that all Hispanic immigrants in Fremont are illegal.

Sandra Leffler, 69, who owns a downtown antique store with her husband, Marv, said she knows not all Hispanics are illegal immigrants, but that it's hard not to think that way. She said she scrutinizes her Hispanic customers.

"I have to admit, when I see them come into the store ... I can't help wondering if I'm profiling someone who's completely honest," she said.

The Fremont City Council narrowly rejected a policy similar to the proposed ordinance in 2008, but proponents got it to a public vote and the state Supreme Court refused to block it.

The Nebraska chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has threatened a lawsuit, and the city worries about the cost of defending the policy. The city has estimated the legal action would cost $1 million per year to fight – costs that would have to be covered by property tax raises and city job cuts.

Kansas City, Mo.-based attorney Kris Kobach, who worked on the Arizona law and has been in legal battles over local ordinances elsewhere, said Valley Park, Mo. paid between $250,000 and $300,000 in legal fees in a similar case. Valley Park, like Fremont, is covered by the 8th Circuit.

State Sen. Charlie Janssen of Fremont, who has said he may introduce an Arizona-style bill in the Legislature next session, said it's unfortunate residents have to decide how to vote amid threats of a lawsuit. He has declined to give his position on the ordinance, saying residents need to decide on their own.

"A vote for or against the ordinance does not make you more or less patriotic," he said in a posting on his legislative blog. "Just as a vote for or against the ordinance does not make you racist or not."

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Associated Press writer Nate Jenkins in Lincoln, Neb., contributed to this report.

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Online:

City of Fremont's information on proposed ordinance: http://www.fremontne.gov/index.aspx?NID434

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02:23 PM on 06/26/2010
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Illegals DO receive welfare; they apply on behalf of their U.S.-born children. Those who don't have kids acquire it through fraud -- you know, the same way they acquire their jobs.
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Those children are American children.
No ,you can't fool the state or federal government using fraudulent identity to receive welfare,
you are ill informed or you are lying!
02:19 PM on 07/01/2010
If Social Services does their job in your states the illegals would not be able to get welfare or food stamps or any state or Federal program help! So scream at your local Senators,Congress an Social Service Dept. In order to get food stamps u have to show a BC for every member of the home, SS cards, Prove of residence, Employment or last employer to be contacted for records! Give Health records on your kids for kid connecttion, an food stamps! Every Social Service worker is to check out every person completely. Even contact immigration if necessary! It is the law in Each of your states! It is not just the Borders that is lacking doing their jobs! It's the state hired officials an politicians NOT doing their jobs correctly! So u need to put your boot up bussiness's, plants,companys, social Services workers, county workers, Senators an Local Congressmen for failing in the immigration control. It's time american people looked at the immigration problem in the real light for just once!
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01:44 PM on 06/25/2010
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Ah, my comments seem to be hitting a cord with you. They are far from despicable and coward. Facts are facts. Illegals are illegal. Pretty black and white. They need to return to their own homeland. You really don't have anything intelligent to add to the topic since you are so set on intimidation via silly name calling and made up words. If you can't contribute intellectually than don't bother wasting my time. I'm done responding to your ignorant posts.
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You can't distinguish between an eye and a babbling mouth!
You are an ignorant-racist tr0llz using the internet to advance your racist agenda,get over it.Your bill is DOA.
11:50 AM on 06/27/2010
i am really not what you say i am and for sure i do not have a racist agenda. i am a concerned citizen, this country is going in the wrong direction and has been for 20 years. i am glad you see that illegal is illegal and i respect your honesty for that. i did not mean to intimidate you in any way, but you too may have been guilty of some name calling and intimidation as well. i am sorry and that is all i can do. i do hope you see that our country is going the wrong way. special interests and corruption in all branches of government. dems, reps, and inds. we need people in government that will not sell us out. you have a good knowledge base and compassion for this country. go for it.
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ObamAtomic
02:46 PM on 06/27/2010
You can't intimidate me,how you are planing to do that ? Screaming to your scream
racist tr0llz,please get over it,never I supported illegals,but,they are here, saying that
Arizona nor another state can't draft a bill to made illegal's life a nightmare.

Go hide under a rock until the Arizona bill is rule unconstitutional.
02:31 PM on 07/01/2010
A educated intellegent person would say,"lets have a honest dialog"! Name calling makes people look ignorant, calling people TrOllz really solves no problems. Blow off steam respectfully, an lets do the conversation. We will not all see eye to eye, but maybe we each can find something to agree on! How alse will u get things done? Compromise is the only solution! Coward is a very strong word to call someone! Just because they don't want to stand there while U scream at them is not productive for them, so they must respectfully walk away.
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08:41 PM on 06/24/2010
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i did not get the free ride like you did obamatomic, i had to work what ever was available. no governmental support. no other sources of income. i did not cry and maybe i should ask for a refund on my education because it appears you received a great education at no cost. i did not qualify but worked 60-72 hours a week while going to school. it made me stronger and much better than most. i am sure of one thing that mule still laughs at you when you approach him from behind.
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For a college educate person you are one with a low education.
What is wrong ,why you cover your face doing your tube videos?
08:59 PM on 06/24/2010
what is an educate person is that the same as an educated person. just curious quxxr fxg.
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ObamAtomic
09:15 PM on 06/24/2010
Layafette husker1982 you never being to college in any language,you are a shame of yourself supporting white supremacists.

President Obama’s accomplishments

31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
35. Successful release of US captain held bySomali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
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ObamAtomic
09:33 PM on 06/24/2010
Correction -educated
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07:36 PM on 06/24/2010
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grow some tea, it might give you some income and perhaps you can become a respectable taxpayer. once again, i am not a tea bagger, liar.
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You are a racist teabbger also an uneducated one.
Call you college ,ask for a refund .
Any new narrative or the same talking points?
08:09 PM on 06/24/2010
i have degrees to prove my education. i am not racist, i am an african american. i called the college for a refund but they said you it more since you were unemployed. they also encouraged me to give you this website. www.pullyourheadoutofyourass.com.
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ObamAtomic
08:19 PM on 06/24/2010
You have a degree, really? Palin have one too........
Don't matter the color of your skin,you are a racist teabagger,

The law is Unconstitutional the power granted to the federal government is by
the Constitution or Congress ,Arizona or other states can't rule in immigration.

The authority to regulate immigration is exclusively a federal power, Judge Jane Boyle””
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07:26 PM on 06/24/2010
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please sir, don't insult me i am a real tax payer. many people look up to me. are you employed? illegal or just like to insult people who actually have a life and care about the direction of this country. could you post your tax return on line because i really doubt you pay for anything in life. you are more than likely someone who complains about what they never had and blamed it on someone else. judging by the time you spend on web sites you may want to look at seeing someone who can help you. you sound special.
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Hey your college education is showing up ,keep up,,,,,,,teabagger.
The time I spend on the web if none of your business,call that college and ask for a refund.
07:47 PM on 06/24/2010
i will just try to get a grant or ask the government for a bailout because the education system did not treat me right. i will ask for a grant for obamatomic for surgery to remove his hXXX from his aXX. i am sure he will qualify just like he does for all social programs.
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ObamAtomic
07:51 PM on 06/24/2010
You are full of Faux news narrative,go sleep .,,,
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ObamAtomic
07:54 PM on 06/24/2010
I think you are using other account,you feel shame to be a minority supporting
white supremacists.
10:17 AM on 06/23/2010
This "journalist" can't even make it through half a sentence without massive bias. Nebraskans aren't "angered by a recent influx of Hispanic workers attracted by jobs at local meatpacking plants..."

They're angered by MASS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and VIOLATIONS of federal law! Not all illegal aliens are "Hispanic." Not all illegal aliens are "workers." And not all illegal aliens are working at "meatpacking plants."

What an uninformed, biased liar this AP reporter is.

The taxpayers are concerned about the swamping of the public school system. They're concerned about increased demand for costly social services. They're concerned that suddenly they have to speak a foreign language to get a job (or order food) -- simply because foreigners are breaking our laws.

Get a clue. No one believes your Associated Press drivel.
11:12 AM on 06/23/2010
i agree, come to texas and see a preview of things to come if laws are not enforced
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ObamAtomic
11:33 AM on 06/24/2010
They're angered by MASS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION and VIOLATIONS of federal law!

I don't know why ,they are not affected,Fremont isn't invaded by illegals.

You are a good "compassionate" Republican!
02:42 PM on 06/24/2010
you have too much time on your hands and chances are, you are living on some form of government support.
03:46 PM on 06/24/2010
for the record, i am a democrat
10:01 AM on 06/23/2010
wake up america, illegal means illegal. they should not be here. i am tired of the lame argument that they do the jobs other people won't do. that is bs and you know it. i talked to a doctor the other day and he stated that these people do cash jobs and pay no taxes on what they make. so if they cut grass, day laborer or whatever, it is tax free money. they make more than a skilled professional in reality. on top of that they quallfy for free healthcare, food, housing etc. etc. etc. they bog down our education system and take time away from other kids who actually have potential in life and contribute to our society. many of these illegals contribute to our system but not in a positive way. they are here to milk the system for whatever they can and mostly illegally. i worked in a packing plant for ibp and the money is very decent. i am not full of fear and hate but i do fear i will never receive social security benefits or medicare benefits when i retire. i have paid taxes since i was 18 years old. i hate that i have worked 2 fulltime jobs the last 10 years of my life to pay for college and school expenses that are not free to people who actually work. i am tired of free college education to deadbeat parents and illegals children.
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ObamAtomic
11:27 AM on 06/24/2010
What a Dr got to do with cash jobs,taxes?

You aren't telling the Truth,illegals don't qualified for free health care, food, housing etc,
I understand why you use Dr narrative.

You went to college "i worked in a packing plant for ibp and the money is very decent" Okay.

You are Lying!
03:02 PM on 06/24/2010
i don't care if you think i am lying or not. go the the health dept local grocery store, er, welfare office, wicc etc. etc. most people see what i see, illegals and other lazy americans like yourself milking the system for what is worth. the doctor i talked to had a great point, an illegal who makes 30,000 to 40,000 in cash and pays no taxes is equivilant to someone making a 40,000 to 50,000. the problem is it is documented on an honest person's w2 form like myself. and yes obama loser, i did work to pay for my own college, even in a packing plant. we all don't get grants and freebees like you do. you are obviously a product of system dependence. you think that is ok to reward people that have no ambition, are illegal and think because you are different should be given a free ride.
03:10 PM on 06/24/2010
come to think of it, i saw you in one of those handout lines. you were the one from katrina.
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02:03 AM on 06/23/2010
According to Fox Snooze full employment is when unemployment is somewhere between 4.5 - 5%.
This town has an unemployment rate of 4.9%. So basically, everyone in this town who wants a job has a job. So why are they worried; why are they passing this law. It is downright paranoid. They probably have fallout shelters for alien (UFO) invaders.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,182380,00.html
10:15 AM on 06/23/2010
i believe the ufo invaders have landed sir and i hope they come to your town soon and bankrupt it like california. these people and i will include you milk the system for whatever you can. i and many other americans are tired of paying for illegals. not paranoid, just honest.
10:18 AM on 06/23/2010
The illegals work for less, put downward pressure on wages and working conditions, and create a population that increasingly is dependent on social welfare. It's not that difficult to understand.
11:15 AM on 06/23/2010
agree as well, these people take jobs from people are legal residents
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ObamAtomic
11:34 AM on 06/24/2010
Illegals aren't receiving welfare!
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ObamAtomic
07:14 PM on 06/22/2010
Federal judge strikes down Texas city immigrant housing ordinance .

This is not a situation where the City is aiding in the enforcement of federal immigration law based on federal standards through the means set forth by federal law; rather, the City is attempting to enforce its own scheme that incorporates federal standards for purposes not contemplated by Congress. The City may take appropriate action to enforce the nation’s immigration laws, but it may not, even if it were to incorporate the proper standard, independently enforce its own immigration rules.

Conclusion, Arizona attempting to enforce its own bill that incorporates federal standards for purposes not contemplated by Congress it will be a failed proposition.
11:15 PM on 06/23/2010
That was before the 287g bill was passed. The new laws permit such things now.
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ObamAtomic
12:18 AM on 06/24/2010
No ,that ruling was handed down yesterday,

287g is for local government to agreed to work under the supervision of the federal
government,287g does not authorize any one to create an immigrationl bill.
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ObamAtomic
12:23 AM on 06/24/2010
Wait what new law? The new law you are referring isn't on effect ,it never will.
First step -Injunction.
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As Above, So Below...
01:48 PM on 06/22/2010
Dear Mr.Salty 2 and all you other haters out there.

I can be a hippie all i want. I don't need anybody to tell me what i am, or what i want to be. Most people respect others opinions on current affairs and wish to engage with others for polical sport, education and past time. If any of the people out here on this blog prefer to keep castigating me for what someone else called me, then get a life. I can carry the spirit all i want. and who said Hippie's don't join the military, those who say that have never been in the military, and further more, probably couldn't deal with someone in your face.
10:19 AM on 06/23/2010
If you support illegal immigration, you support exploitation. Open-borders create modern slavery. Whose side are you on? If you aren't supporting enforcement of our laws you're working for Big Business.
11:44 AM on 06/22/2010
More Irish immigrants seek U.S. green cards as recession drives people out of Ireland

The number of Irish people legally emigrating to the U.S. has risen by 12 percent. There are an estimated 50,000 undocumented Irish in the U.S. and Staunton says that Ireland and the U.S. need to fix this issue.

"As you can see from the figures, the legal opportunities are few and far between," he said.

"Some 150,000 people are expected to leave Ireland over the next 12 months, and most of them will come here because they have family or friends here.

"Unfortunately, no one can sponsor them because there is no legal way to do that."

"And even more unfortunately, a young Irish person is better off in USA undocumented and working than being in Ireland legal and unemployed."

http://www.irishcentral.com/advice/More-Irish-immigrants-seek-US-green-cards-as-recession-drives-people-out-of-Ireland-92834399.html
10:18 AM on 06/23/2010
where did these figures come? out of your axx
10:20 AM on 06/23/2010
All of the Irish illegal aliens need to go home. It's a simple as that.
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11:40 AM on 06/22/2010
Incredibly, Kris Kobach was just on CNN but there was no mention that he is a white supremacist.

http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/white-supremacists-brag-they-helped-s
http://krazykriskobach.com/

WHEN are people going to grow a backbone and stand up against these nazi thugs?
12:22 PM on 06/22/2010
Your proof that he is some sort of White Supremacist is what?
10:21 AM on 06/23/2010
He's a white thupremathist! A white thupremathist!

You anarchists are so stupid. Keep talking, though, because the public really needs to see how you call people names rather than debate facts.
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11:11 AM on 06/22/2010
itschuck2c 13 hours ago (9:55 PM)
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Since 1917 it has been a crime in the United States to harbor a person who is an illegalalien. The “harboring” rovisions under Federal Law are included in the Immigration
Reform and Control Act of 1986. This Act makes it a crime to “conceal, harbor or shield from detection” an illegal immigrant.
Also your rebuttal is called a dodge in debating terms..you failed to adress the original question and attempted to direct the debate away from the question.

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Again you never responded to the original question..again you prove that your ability to sway decision through rational thought is sorely lacking.
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I'm tried hard to avoid making fun of you,you are an obfuscated,annoying neophyte person
with unintelligent nonfactual talking points.

What 1917 immigration provisions got to do with the Fair Housing Act Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 (Fair Housing Act)?

Fair Housing Act , as amended, prohibits discrimination in the sale, rental, and financing of dwellings, and in other housing-related transactions, based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, familial status””

Do you understand or you will continue to be an UN comprehensive dude I told you before
there is nothing to debate,the law is the law,isn't my fault you are failing to grasp it.
09:12 AM on 06/22/2010
Who're they gonna get to work there? It's Nebraska, it's minimum wage and if you're not partying with the illegals it's dull.
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11:43 AM on 06/22/2010
Actually, you're correct - The illegals are there for the packing house jobs that whites don't want. The packing house pays very poorly. With the illegals gone, they'll have to raise wages and provide benefits in order to attract white workers. The packing house can't afford to raise wages so they'll go broke.

As this neo-nazi movement gains popularity, we'll see a lot of small business going under. Wonder who they'll blame for that ...
10:28 AM on 06/23/2010
WOW, you clearly have no understanding of business or economics. "Whites" and other legal immigrants and citizens DID hold these jobs for decades. The problem is that wages STAGNATED as soon as the illegal labor became an option. True, legal residents "don't want these jobs" but not because of the labor itself, rather, because the wages and working conditions are simply exploitation. And only illegal aliens are willing to be exploited, and YOU are serving Big Business in their quest for more slave labor.

FACT: Government data show that the average wages of meatpackers in 2007 were 45 percent lower than in 1980, adjusted for inflation. That's HORRIBLE. And it's only because of a mass supply of cheap, exploitable, illegal labor.

LOL at the idea that "packing houses will go broke." You don't understand the market. If they had to start paying a decent wage, the cost would be tacked onto the price of the meat. That cost would be paid for my the consumers -- not the business. And what would additional cost be? About 7 cents to the dollar, according to agricultural economists. In other words, if you bought a dollar's worth of meat, you'd pay maybe 7 cents more to make sure that people weren't being exploited. Are you saying that's not worth paying to stop exploitation?

Read all about it:

The 2006 Swift Raids: Assessing the Impact of Immigration Enforcement Actions at Six Facilities
http://www.cis.org/2006SwiftRaids
10:21 AM on 06/23/2010
it is a nice town and it is not minimum wage sir, the money is good working at a packing plant. that job should be given to a legal american citizen. why are you so protective of an illegal are you one.
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06:02 AM on 06/22/2010
"FREMONT, Neb. - Voters in the eastern Nebraska city of Fremont on Monday approved a ban on hiring or renting property to illegal immigrants, the latest proposal in a series of immigration regulations taken up by communities around the country.

About 57 percent of voters in Fremont supported the proposal, according to unofficial results that still must be certified by the election commissioner."
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06:28 PM on 06/22/2010
Doesn't make it right. Not much of a majority, clearly there are a lot of mixed feelings.
10:30 AM on 06/23/2010
over 60% of america believes illegal is illegal. more people are finally seeing what illegal immigration does to our nation. it robs our benefits as a us citizen. it is not fair that illegals can access free benefits when tax paying citizens cannot.
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07:22 PM on 06/22/2010
What percentage of the racist whites in the Deep South fervently supported segregationist laws that banned blacks from riding in the front of the bus, using "WHITES ONLY" bathrooms or drinking from "WHITES ONLY" drinking fountains, again?
10:30 AM on 06/23/2010
"Doesn't make it right. Not much of a majority"

And Obama won with an even smaller majority. I guess he's even less legitimate than this ordinance.
10:32 AM on 06/23/2010
we have come along way, but look on the bright side you could be in the great nation of africa.