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Andy Stern: Invest Social Security Funds In Wall Street

First Posted: 06/30/10 05:05 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:55 PM ET

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Andy Stern, a key member of the deficit commission, is pushing to invest a significant portion of the Social Security trust fund in private companies through the stock market, the former labor leader told HuffPost.

Stern, taking a break from one of the few public meetings of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform, said that Social Security "needs to be, like any pension fund, brought back into balance."

There were several ways to bring the fund into balance, he said, but one that he favors consists of "investing some percentage of government money in the stock market, as they do in Canada. Not individual taxpayer money, but government money."

Stern said that Canada's retirement system invests roughly 15 to 20 percent of its funds in the market, a range he thought reasonable. "There are lots of mechanisms for governments to be prudent investors," he said.

Wall Street has long sought access to Social Security money and opponents of cutting Social Security have been closely watching Stern, the former head of the Service Employees International Union, worried that he may back privatization efforts.

According to Brad Delong, a senior Treasury official in the 1990s, President Clinton's plan to reform Social Security included such an element. Rep. John Spratt (D-S.C.), chairman of the Budget Committee and a member of the deficit commission, has also endorsed the idea.

Allowing Social Security to invest some of its fund does have some progressive backing. "I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea," said Dean Baker, an economist with the liberal-leaning Center for Economic Policy and Research. "If he's talking about getting money out of the trust fund for that purpose, I could live with it. You'd get a higher return now that stocks are falling."

The late Robert Ball, a New Deal liberal who first began working for Social Security in 1939 and helped negotiate reform through the Greenspan commission in the early 1980s, championed the idea, suggesting that gradually investing a sliver of the fund each year until around 15 percent was put in would address roughly a quarter of the projected shortfall.

Nancy Altman, co-director of Social Security Works, which is fighting cuts to the program, previously worked with Ball on the plan, which became known as the Ball-Altman Proposal. She told HuffPost that if done cautiously, investing in the market comes with little risk because of the long-term time frame of the investment.

That risk is too great to gamble the fund, says Jane Hamsher, whose blog Firedoglake.com has been closely covering the commission deliberations. She highlighted the bad investments made on behalf of a New Jersey state pension fund by Obama-backer Orin Kramer and the scandal involving Steven Rattner and a pension-fund kickback scheme.

"Steven Rattner and Orin Kramer should not be allowed to touch Social Security," said Hamsher. Investing Social Security funds in the market ignores the corruption at the heart of Wall Street, she said. "It's a Ponzi scheme run by con artists," she said of the market. "Why do you take that risk for three percent? Wall Street wants their hands on the money. Who's going to pay these fees? And we're doing this why? So Pete Peterson doesn't have to pay his taxes?"

Dean Baker said it would be reasonable to assume a six or seven point return, greater than the roughly three percent return on Treasury bonds, a difference Hamsher said was too small to risk the system.

Pete Peterson is a billionaire hedge fund manager dedicated to cutting Social Security. He funds the Fiscal Times, which partners with the Washington Post.

Stern has apparently been reading the Ball-Altman plan. He told HuffPost that another way to help balance the Social Security's inputs and outputs would be to make sure that 90 percent of all wages are subject to a Social Security tax, as Congress has intended. Today, he said, only about 84 percent of wages are covered.

The suggestion comes straight from Ball's proposal. The background: When Congress initially set the cap at which no further Social Security taxes are paid - it is now $106,800 - it was set so that it would continue to capture 90 percent of wages. But because working class wages stagnated over the last few decades while upper class wages soared, the way the cap was set caught fewer and fewer wages. Today, said Jalt, only about 83 percent of wages are covered. Increasing that gradually back up to 80 percent - Ball suggested phasing it in over half a century - would reduce roughly a third of the imbalance.

Stern, in the brief interview with the Huffington Post, didn't mention the third leg of the Ball-Altman plan, dedicating the estate tax to Social Security, which would make up the rest of the difference.

While Altman said she still stands by her and Ball's plan, none of it would be necessary if Congress simply applied a miniscule tax to financial transactions of a quarter of one percent, as the United Kingdom does. Seniors, she said, could even get a five percent bump up in benefits.

The commission, which is packed with deficit hawks, met publicly on Wednesday, a departure from the panel's generally private meetings.

A leading commission member, former GOP Sen. Alan Simpson, in calling for cuts in a recent interview, said the goal of the panel was to protect the "lesser people."

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Andy Stern, a key member of the deficit commission, is pushing to invest a significant portion of the Social Security trust fund in private companies through the stock market, the former labor leader ...
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09:18 PM on 08/09/2010
They want it all.....and they'll get it.
http://www.americablog.com/2010/08/george-carlin-they-want-your-social.html
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pandag
A false tale often betrays itself. Aesop 620 BC
05:56 PM on 07/22/2010
These self-serving types that just want to see their name in print and truly don't give a damn about the American people come out with this stuff. Invest OUR funds in Wall Street. Is this a joke or what? I have finally decided there are quite a few of these kinds of people who truly want to see Americans struggle and fall into abject ruin with no way of it ever getting better. Wall Street is a nightmare. Social Security funds are fine just where they are AND if the campaign to ruin the program would be stopped by someone in power then maybe we could all breathe easier. This stuff just makes me sick.
04:42 PM on 07/10/2010
7:46 am
Social Security needs serious reform if it is to become sustainable without increased cost/decreased benefits. The only real attempt (the Bush privatization) failed for three key reasons: a) citizens tend to mismanage 401K - type accounts, b) a sudden market 'correction' could ruin many retirements and is politically untenable, and c), the most significant reason,as Krugmann noted, legacy (or transfer) costs would be enormous (near $4 trillion) and virtually impossible to fund.

There is, however, a new approach, that delivers all the benefits of privatization, without the negatives. Young people who opt into the program would be guaranteed that their retirement income would never be less than what the normal S.S. pension provides. And when the transfer is completed, legacy costs would be 'paid off'' and Social Security taxes to sustain the pension system need be only a fraction of today's stipend.

This new approach is described in detail on the website www.entitlementdilemma.com. Those interested in improving as well as sustaining Social Security should find it of considerable interest.
03:23 PM on 07/03/2010
Putting Social Security into Wall Street is putting millions of helpless Americans at the mercy of foreign investors, many of whom have an actual hostility towards America.

What boggles the mind is that Social Security was created BECAUSE Wall Street cannot be trusted, as the "great crash of 29" had proven. To put the future of Social Security into the hands of the Ken Lays and Bernie Madoffs of Wall Street is like Israel giving it's defense secrets to Iran.
05:05 PM on 07/02/2010
Im glad to see liberals dislike Andy as mush as I do
09:06 AM on 07/02/2010
Looks like my Huffington Post article "The definitive case against Privatizing Social Security" has been completely forgotten.

:(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/warren-mosler/the-definitive-case-again_b_612114.html
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Earl
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08:45 AM on 07/02/2010
If we gave it to Wall Street, at least they'd only make half of it disappear.
03:07 AM on 07/02/2010
For months and months, I've heard commentators on this website and especially over at Firedoglake fawn over every word that came out of this class traitor's mouth. California healthcare workers were derided as being selfish, greedy, and divisive. This is exactly what we have been fighting against. Now, that you have yet another example of the truth about the current leadership of SEIU (keep in mind he is President Emeritus), I'm waiting for you to acknowledge that you were wrong. I won't hold my breath though. Save the labor movement, support NUHW!
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08:12 PM on 07/01/2010
Andy Stern sells out (again). Pete Peterson is on the verge of realizing a dream. Paul Krugman summarizes: “We went through all this at length back in 2005. . . .” What was happening back then? The neo-cons were gushing in the possibility of achieving a primary goal: privatizing social security (as a means of eventually gutting it altogether). What happened afterward? The market crashed (via deregulated, Enron-style manipulation), taking the world to its knees, while wiping out millions of jobs and costing trillions of dollars (in lost pension investments, for example). And now, during the resulting return of another Great Depression, we get a stacked, “bipartisan,” consensus-seeking (as long as it meets a predetermined goal) “Deficit Commission.” We don’t see or hear the President fighting full force for a (New Deal inspired) Works Program. But, we did see (secret deals exposed) and hear him fighting against a Public Option: “just a sliver”/”enemy of the good.” Regarding solid, moral, social safety nets, we are presently set up with another statement: “Everything on the table.” Imagine hearing that in Dec. 2004 from Bush II. No surprise. In 2010, after the FDR/Change/Hope campaign, it’s beyond reprehensible.

“Zombie Lie[s]”: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/21/zombies-have-already-killed-the-deficit-commission/
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04:07 PM on 07/01/2010
These guys are just brilliant. They have robbed the SS account blind and now want to give what's left to Wall Street...like they don't have everything already.

This country is a joke.
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missouriwatcher
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03:26 PM on 07/01/2010
My question to Mr. Stern: Why do you hate hardworking Americans?
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donmarchi
01:52 PM on 07/01/2010
No No No to putting any Social Security funds into the Stock Market. For many of us who do not have the wealth to put funds into private 401k plans, we need to be sure we will at least have the Social Security we've paid into upon retirement. Gambling it away and paying fees to the greedy crooks who crashed the financial system is not good for us. As the blog clearly states, wages for most workers have stagnated which also means we have not seen an increase in wealth, we just see expenses for healthcare, housing, education and food continually rise leaving absolutely no discretionary income. Vacation? what is that?
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kdublya
This season, say it with a haiku
01:03 PM on 07/01/2010
What could possibly go wrong?
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Marlyn
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12:59 PM on 07/01/2010
Right wing bull s h i t.
12:38 PM on 07/01/2010
Does Andy Stern have any business being quoted in any publication--even this one? He is another crooked Obama friend. SEIU --which he, until recently, headed, was one of the largest Obama supporters and he was reported to be seen going in ad out of the Whitehouse more than anyone.

Amazing how creeps, such as this one, are attempting to control we Americans' funds. Hands off, Andy and we don't need the likes of your advice !
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donmarchi
01:53 PM on 07/01/2010
BUSH AND THE GOP HAVE CONTINUALLY CAMPAIGNED ON ELIMINATING SOCIAL SECURITY ALL TOGETHER.
05:04 PM on 07/02/2010
It will go under anyway..There is NO MONEY..