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Gulf Oil Spill: Scientists Beg For A Chance To Take Basic Measurements

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First Posted: 07/06/10 07:16 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:00 PM ET

A group of independent scientists, frustrated and dumbfounded by the continued lack of the most basic data about the 77-day-old BP oil disaster, has put together a crash project intended to definitively measure how much oil has spilled and where and how it is spreading throughout the waters of the Gulf of Mexico.

An all-star team of top oceanographers, chemists, engineers and other scientists could be ready to head out to the well site on two fully-equipped research vessels on about a week's notice. But they need to get the go-ahead -- and about $8.4 million -- from BP or the federal government or both. And that does not appear imminent.

The test is designed to provide responders to future deep-sea oil catastrophes with valuable information. But, to be blunt, it would also fill an enormous gap in the response to this one.

Federal estimates of the flow have over time gone from laughably low to laughably imprecise to just plain unpersuasive. And it took more than a month for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to take the marine science community's concerns seriously enough to embark on substantive missions to explore the potentially vast amounts of oil that are lurking beneath the surface with possibly long-term and devastating effects.

Team leader Ira Leifer, a researcher at the Marine Science Institute of the University of California, Santa Barbara, released the group's 88-page science plan (SEE BELOW) late last week. Leifer has been pitching a variety of scientific missions to BP since May 1, and has yet hear word one from the company. But this time, he is more hopeful, in part because his team represents "a significant fraction of the marine hydrocarbon research community" and in part because of Rep. Edward Markey (D-Mass.), Chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Markey, who successfully pressured BP to release live video of the leak, said through a spokesman on Tuesday: "Throughout this disaster, I have pushed for the involvement of independent scientists in evaluating the magnitude and consequences of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Dr. Ira Leifer and his colleagues have put together a proposal that could help answer some of the fundamental questions about this catastrophe and help us prepare should there be a next one. It is worth serious consideration by BP." Leifer said he is also talking directly to federal agencies that could conceivably bankroll the mission -- and demand that BP give the scientists the necessary access.

Leifer said his team would ideally begin its experiments at the well site, capturing data and imagery with remotely-operated vehicles that would produce authoritative measurements of the flow. The team would then shift its focus up through the water column and along with the current, to explore how the oil is interacting with the water.

"The idea is to understand why is the oil where it is," Leifer told the Huffington Post. And what parts of the oil, too.

"In my mind the really important thing is where are the toxic components going, and what are they killing?" he said. What's coming out of the well is not one homogeneous substance, he explained. Some components of oil and gas are highly toxic and carcinogenic, while others are relatively benign, and the components react differently to the elements.

So some of the key questions, Leifer said, are: "Where in the water column are the more dangerous components of the oil going? And therefore what is the most likely effect going to be on the part of the ecosystem they are acting with? And if that part of the ecosystem is destroyed, is there a cascading effect?"

Leifer, who is also a member of the federal government flow rate group, said that even his own group's current estimates, "such as they are, are still based on limited data and assumptions."

And the lack of accurate information has taken its toll, he said. If BP had properly understood what was going on 5,000 feet below the surface, it never would have attempted to stop it with a "top hat." And had they realized the pressure from the oil reserves was beyond the threshold for "top kill" they wouldn't have wasted time on that, either.

"We could have effective containment systems available now, if we'd had the measurements," he said.

Learning from this spill is essential for the future, as well, he said. There is no longer any doubt that a substantial amount of the oil remains undersea. But, Leifer noted: "Until recently this was considered a matter of debate at very high levels. We shouldn't have debates like that. We should know how to respond to it."

Leifer added: "I hope that people who love the Gulf, love the beaches and the wildlife and fishing and seafood and the Gulf lifestyle will contact their congressman and senators and radio stations to request that science gets the green light. This is critical so that we can respond to this catastrophe with knowledge and also have the best science available so that we can respond to any future accidents with appropriate response equipment and strategies to protect the environment."

BP did not return a call from the Huffington Post.

"They have not been an agent for insuring that learning occurs in the past," Leifer noted drily.

The plan is called "Deep Spill 2." The first "Deep Spill was a 2001 test off the coast of Norway that involved a mere 16,000 gallons of diesel -- but found that very little of the oil made its way to the surface.

READ THE PROJECT PLAN:


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Dan Froomkin is senior Washington correspondent for the Huffington Post. You can send him an e-mail, bookmark his page; subscribe to his RSS feed, follow him on Twitter, friend him on Facebook, and/or become a fan and get e-mail alerts when he writes.

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A group of independent scientists, frustrated and dumbfounded by the continued lack of the most basic data about the 77-day-old BP oil disaster, has put together a crash project intended to definitive...
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zeeshan809
08:55 AM on 07/09/2010
I think scientists should be listened to.

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Bayard Waterbury
social philosopher
07:10 PM on 07/08/2010
BP and the government are in control. Markey is just one small voice in the vast petroleum oligarchy's wilderness. We all want answers, and, based upon its response to date, it is obvious to virtually everyone that these two entities are not willing, and may not be able, to provide answers. Late last week, as the main "relief" well was progressing, Doug Suttles of BP (its titular spill response leader), said that there were "no guarantees" that this strategy would be successful. Based on much web research, it appears that he should have said that there was some small, remote chance that it would work, and that if it doesn't, it's Katie bar the door for our planet. This is our only hope. If it fails, no one can predict the outcome, except to say that it will place virtually all of the planet's populations in dire straits. If it doesn't work, the petrolate reservoir undersea at this location, one of the largest in the world, would pour its contents into the oceans for decades. Ask the Russians what they did. After encountering four similar deposits in the last several years, the only way they were able to stop them was through the use of nuclear devices, exploded to seal them.
02:34 PM on 07/08/2010
Demand the MUD LOG from BP!!! Write your congress people in mass and demand that they make the BP MUD LOG of the Deepwater Horizon made available to the public.
The MUD LOG is the geological record to the strata they they crossed in the 6 mile hole they dug.. Also know that they are 10's of thousands of wells that are antiquated...whose aquifers have filled back up again and have the potential to leak..we are talking about steel and concrete infrastructure that is well deteriorated and some of it from the 1940's!!!
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Daniel R Cobb
A Democrat, a Patriot with a Brain
09:12 PM on 07/07/2010
We need to understand the fact that corporations, especially the all-powerful oil companies but others as well, are PREDATORS. They predate the environment, decimating entire eco-systems, wiping out river systems and lakes with toxic mining effluent and causing widespread poisoning of water supplies by hydraulic fracturing, (a method of drilling wells for oil and natural gas). These CEOs and their companies DO NOT GIVE A DAMN about permanent poisoning, largescale die-offs, and the human cost. The Southest U.S. will be an environmental and economic deadzone for many years. BP's immediate concern? Inject toxic dispersants into the oilstream to HIDE the oil beneath the water surface. And here is the other shoe. Government oversight of these dangerous industries have failed us miserably. Corporations are predators, and our government has broken down, complicit by incompetence or outright corruption. For BP? MAKE GREED PAY. Boycott the company forever. Sue the company forever. Destroy BP. Prosecute these criminal bastards. Join an environmental organization. Read my fact-based, award winning thriller, THE MINE, about corporate greed, youthful idealism, and survival. MAKE GREED PAY.
05:43 PM on 07/07/2010
It really does not matter how many gallons of oil are spilling from the leak unless you are a lawyer planning on suing.

Will it help stop the leak if we know how many gallons are leaking?
05:53 PM on 07/07/2010
It 'doesn't matter' to those for whom it very much matters how much BP might have to pay out.

It very much does matter for those who are at all interested in assessing the geographic extent, oil and chemical concentration and overall magnitude of the disaster and therefore the scale of the response needed.
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LetsGoSteve
04:39 PM on 07/07/2010
Wow day 77, and more talking then action. Of coerce it is BP’s fault. The democratic leadership that controls all the braches of the federal government has no power or authority in this matter, and is just watching BP from the side lines.
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Will Hart
09:50 PM on 07/07/2010
Yea, lets go steve....to the library and do some hard reading on the facts of life!
06:53 PM on 07/17/2010
The only members of government who have control over BP are Republicans such as Senator Joe Barton of Texas who apologized to BP for Democratic invasions of BP's supreme corporate space.

What Senator Barton was really saying is "Please, BP. Please keep supporting my re-election campaigns and I will make sure your profits cover any inconvenience you might have due to this God-caused minor oil dribble in your private Gulf of Mexico lake. I'll be a good boy."
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mrJJ
如果你不投票,你不能抱怨
03:47 PM on 07/07/2010
Spill's extent and the effects surprising those studying it

Scientists knew weeks ago that much of the oil gushing from a blown-out oil well deep in the Gulf of Mexico remained below the surface, suspended in deep, cold water.

But research they are doing now has surprised them at the extent of the spill and effects on marine life, University of Georgia oceanographer Samantha Joye said Tuesday in UGA's Marine Sciences Building. Joye, one of the leading scientists tracking the spill, spoke at a weekly update on her research team's findings.

Seawater samples the team took during a June research voyage had to be diluted before analytical machines could accurately measure the oil levels in them, she said Tuesday.

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Much of that methane remains in the deep water, and may be causing "dead zones," where fish and other marine life have a tough time breathing. As methane-eating bacteria multiply and break down the gas, they also use up oxygen in the water.

more.. http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/070710/new_666367227.shtml
02:21 PM on 07/07/2010
It would be interesting to see how much BP has spent vis-a-vie commercial advertisement propaganda on radio, TV, print media as well as the cost for hiring all their hired guns, aah, I mean attorneys and expert witnesses across the country and put that in ratio referencing the money sent in the oil spill clean up?
02:35 PM on 07/07/2010
Well, 20 billion for starters...
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mrJJ
如果你不投票,你不能抱怨
03:49 PM on 07/07/2010
Anne Womack Kolbar, Cheney's old PR mouth piece knows all the tricks on how to spin...
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aseasonforreason
01:54 PM on 07/07/2010
Witness the demise of the American dream, or at least her ecosystems, wiped out by a perversion of how we define freedom when it comes to markets and press....

Here's a must-watch, if you haven't. A LA resident immersed in coastal life, Kindra Arnesan, was invited in to be a citizen watchdog by BP, apparently. She speaks out about what she is witnessing in this video. One compelling bit speaks to BP deploying a 'ponies & balloons' strategy to clean-up in order to save money and look good: bring in big crews when govt is looking, pull 75-80% of them back out immediately when they depart a few hours later. Oh, and yeah, let's not leave out the fact that BP is always given a heads up by the govt when they are coming to evaluate the response.

If anything should go viral, this video should. See it at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkYJDI8pK9Y&feature=related
or
http://video.godlikeproductions.com/video/Kindra_Arnesan__Quoted_on_PBS_Newshour_6232010

and share it liberally.
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Kareem Harper
An acquired taste...
04:20 PM on 07/07/2010
FANNED! Bravo!
01:12 PM on 07/07/2010
When the oil, gas and coal corporations get done raping America, are finished with destroying our oceans, tired of ripping the tops off mountains, bored with killing their workers, have no politicians left to corrupt, stop poisoning our air and water and notice that even their children have birth defects it will be too late to do anything but pray and we all know how well that works.
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cambo
On the grand MN's side.
01:14 PM on 07/07/2010
I`m with you pal.#
shrinktalkingheads
Battling misinformation since April 9, 1865
01:15 PM on 07/07/2010
No, then the corporations will turn to space travel. They've got the whole Moon and Mars to exploit.
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02:03 PM on 07/07/2010
Hopefully some species with more integrity than ours will do a survey and off the bad ones before they allow that :)
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GeneralDisarray
Fox News Viewers Know Less Than People ...
01:01 PM on 07/07/2010
Right, USA land of the free.
12:55 PM on 07/07/2010
Just a note: All of those weeping about information lost just demonstrates the hubris of academia--as if they are the only scientists. Someone needs to let them know that BP employs scientists, and they will be gathering data and learning from this.
So stop weeping. Oh, you were actually not weeping for lost data, but the opportunity to grab some funding. Got it.
01:10 PM on 07/07/2010
Yea right, just like the defense team pays their hire guns to present their version of the evidence. Try looking up the case on the Love Canal and the impartiality of corporate hired guns. What we need is an independent scientific research investigation.

Oh, yea that is why their servers concerning data and information on the oil spill are located behind BP firewall by BP and can only be access by BP IT personnel. Any information that the USCG or unified command needs concerning the data on the oil spill is given out by BP to them without independent verification. Nothing like the Fox guarding the hen house. There is an interesting article by the Company president who was contracted by BP to set up the servers and collect the information. For some unknown reason, he was let go and his equipment to gather information on the oil spill was placed behind BP's firewall....very interesting. The stupid gov. allowed that to happen under the auspices of our great commander, Adm. Thad Allen
02:30 PM on 07/07/2010
They are free to do their science and they have to find money to do it. Maybe AlGore will fund them. I don't blame BP for net letting anyone in while they do this operation. After that, plenty of "science" and investigation will happen.
Sorry, but academia is about as corrupt as it gets. I know.
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WhitneyKyle
04:53 PM on 07/07/2010
It obvious MacQ works for BP is hired to troll the web to disrupt free speech and turn the conversation to favor BP. Don't listen to this hired gun.
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01:33 PM on 07/07/2010
half true - its some of both. they want the data and the money to get it for free. but the environmental damage being caused isnt on the radar compared to the other two.

oh and scientists - "we could have made containment devices by now if we knew the flow rate"... you're full of crap. how about instead of writing 80-something pages of begging you write 80 something pages of solutions, instead of saying "give us 10 million dollars and well give you our answer".

if you have the answer youll tell us, or youre bigger extortionists than BP. and i think you know that. so dont lie to us saying you have the answer.
02:31 PM on 07/07/2010
Well said. Fan
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mrJJ
如果你不投票,你不能抱怨
12:45 PM on 07/07/2010
OT

Whistleblower: Relief payments get slashed if fishermen refuse to work for BP
Tuesday, July 6th, 2010 -- 11:25 pm

Any relief payment plan established in the wake of the worst environmental accident ever was bound to have its flaws, but this goes to a whole new level of wrong.

According to Gulf resident Kindra Arnesen, who turned whistleblower and full-time activist when she saw how many people were put out of work by the spill, BP will deduct money from individual payments on claims for lost income if the claimant refuses to work in assisting the spill response

more: http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0706/whistleblower-bp-deducts-relief-payments-fishermen-refuse-aid-gulf-cleanup/
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celeritas
diligentia vis celeritas
12:35 PM on 07/07/2010
The gusher in the Gulf really is about our worthiness to be responsible stewards of planet earth. It's an 'either-or,' not an 'and-maybe.' Distractions from that stark reality (Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, FoxNews) are as helpful as p|_ague.
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12:26 PM on 07/07/2010
I suspect it's difficult for ordinary working people to comprehend the sheer egoism of the military, the Homeland Security folks, and other 'enforcement' people public and private.
What's missing may be the personal shock that often occurs when a reporter, a clean-up worker or a curious taxpayer, is summarily ordered by enforcement legions to 'back off !" Now anyone can go to jail for five years just for venturing within 60 feet of a blob of BP oil.
The harsh reality of being spoken to by teenagers as if you were a criminal is new to a lot of reporters and academics.
The thinly disguised contempt for anyone outside the sacred 'chain of command' is the opposite of all we learned in school about American representative democracy. No matter how cynical we may become, deep down I think most taxpayers make the assumption that power is derived from the governed. When limitless corporate muscle backed by armed children barking idiotic commands suddenly makes it clear that American citizens are most certainly not in charge of pretty much anything, it kind of hurts.
Obviously, plenty of Americans have known for a long time about the abuses of power, but now the helplessness of American citizens to avoid being poisoned by foreign corporations, bullied by self-aggrandizing military and para-military minions and robbed blind by financial swindlers is much clearer. It's scary to have to admit the obvious to yourself. I find it so anyway.
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celeritas
diligentia vis celeritas
12:42 PM on 07/07/2010
It is so painful to have to agree so completely with your clear assessment.

f&f
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WhitneyKyle
09:32 PM on 07/07/2010
So absolutely true. Fanned.