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Superdelegates Retained By Democrats Despite Their Ridiculous Role In 2008 Election

First Posted: 08/03/10 04:52 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:15 PM ET

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Hey kids! Remember back in the spring of 2008, when the entire world was consumed with the fiasco that was the Democratic Party's presidential nomination process? Anyone who paid attention to the way the Democrats conducted their business during that period would have had to conclude that the whole process was in dire need of some major reform. Well, I am sad to report that the Democrats have decided to retain one of the more controversial features -- the so-called superdelegates.

Do you want to run for president as a Democrat? Okay, it's an incredibly easy process! Every state has a primary. Except the ones that have caucuses! Except for Texas which, for reasons known to no one, has both simultaneously. Voters in each state go to voting booths, or assemble in caucuses, or attend the cockfight in their Texas Primacaucus Thunderdome, and vote for/select/bet on roosters assigned to the candidate they prefer. Then, depending on what state you're in, votes are counted, or caucus groups consolidated based upon the individual state's rules of run-offs and post-first vote bargaining, or the blood and viscera of dead chickens is collected in tubs and hefted for weight. And then the winner wins, and the loser also sort of wins!

This is important! The GOP, which also stages these contests, assigns the victor ALL OF THE DELEGATES. Very quickly, the Republican nomination process finds a clear frontrunner and victor. But on the Democratic side, delegates are awarded proportionately, so while the victor gets most of the delegates, it's common for second and even third place finishers to take delegates as well. You'd think this would be easy to understand, but let the record show that Hillary Clinton's entire campaign was based upon Mark Penn's belief that each state's contest was winner-take-all.

Mark Penn was, as they say, a dumb man. And because of his inability to know something basic about politics, the entire 2008 nomination came down to the 800+ superdelegates, who, for a long while, collectively had the power to decide the close nomination race by themselves. Superdelegates are, by their very nature, stupid and insane: one gets to be a superdelegate by being a former party leader or elected official or honorary holder of some vague mini-fiefdom within the Democratic Party.

Some superdelegates are less super than others and only get half a vote. I think that once you've embarked on a process that allows for half-a-vote to be cast, it's time to rethink things.

Superdelegates basically take on the role to retain their close ties to the party and to receive various perks and privileges, like the joy that comes from feeling slightly more important than everyone else. In return, it is the fondest hope of most superdelegates that their vote ultimately doesn't matter -- they prefer to simply support whomever the rest of the country is supporting.

But in 2008, there was a problem. Obama's delegate lead reached a point where it was essentially insurmountable, given the fact that there was a) a proportional distribution of delegates in each state and b) very few opportunities for Clinton to win the massive share of the popular vote necessary to cut into the lead in any meaningful way.

But at the same time, the superdelegates were numerous enough to tighten, perhaps even decide the race. And so there was this prolonged period where the superdelegates lived in fear of getting calls from Terry McAuliffe, and the country wondered if the Democratic Party -- you know, the party of the little guy! -- would allow its collection of big-wigs and swells to supercede the actual voting public.

It was a sorry time for all involved, filled with flare-ups of toxic internecine war, needlessly exacerbated tensions between Democratic core constituencies and a whole lot of yelling at Sam Stein. Anyone with any sense would have had to agree that the age of the superdelegate had to be brought to a swift end. Unfortunately, "anyone with any sense" and "Democratic Party officials" are two groups that rarely, if ever, intersect. And so when the time came to consider a proposal to strip superdelegates of their nominating power, per Newsweek, this is what happened:

But the [DNC Rules and Bylaws committee] took a dim view of this proposal. While endorsing recommendations to dilute the superdelegates' influence (mostly by increasing the number of ordinary delegates), it quietly nixed the redefinition of their voting powers at it July 10 meeting. How quietly? Enough that even some members of the change commission hadn't yet heard about it when NEWSWEEK spoke to them last week.

And so, the end result of all this wrangling is to reduce the power of delegates from 20% of the total to 15% of the total. But why not just get rid of their voting power? Here is the inexplicable rationale:

"People ask: isn't it enough for folks to have floor privileges and a hotel room and not have an actual vote?" says rules-committee co-chair James Roosevelt Jr., a grandson of President Franklin D. Roosevelt. "The answer is: what you're doing is creating two classes of delegates, people with the vote and people without the vote. Clearly, the people at the grassroots level should be the predominant voice. But if you don't give elected officials a real voice, they are basically second-class citizens."

So there you have it. Because a group of Democratic party fat cats refused to accept the status of "second class citizens," the Democratic primary process will continue to be a needlessly befuddling and problematic ordeal for everybody.

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Hey kids! Remember back in the spring of 2008, when the entire world was consumed with the fiasco that was the Democratic Party's presidential nomination process? Anyone who paid attention to the wa...
Hey kids! Remember back in the spring of 2008, when the entire world was consumed with the fiasco that was the Democratic Party's presidential nomination process? Anyone who paid attention to the wa...
 
 
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
05:15 PM on 08/04/2010
Their "role" in the election?

I don't recall Superdelegates doing or not doing a single thing out of the ordinary compared to the non-super kind.
04:57 PM on 08/04/2010
The superdelegates are just there to keep Alvin Greene off the presidential ballot.
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NoSandwiches
04:38 PM on 08/04/2010
We need to remember that just because a lot of people make a choice, doesn't make it the correct one. Just because a lot of people vote for a candidate, doesn't mean the candidate is the best choice. Sometimes we need some expert opinion of the well informed to help shape the election. Let me put it this way--every argument about the legitimacy of Fox News always ends up with the claim that because they have the best ratings, they must be the best news network.

Is the system broke? Well....i would say that it is a patchwork of gum and string and duct tape that holds it together, but even in the last contentious nomination process, we were able to trust the superdelegates to make the correct call. They are there not to decide, but to regulate--a stop gap measure to make sure that the eventual winner is in line with the philosophical views of the Party. The Republicans wished they had our system when McCain ended up being the candidate. The driving forces of the party were clearly not pleased.
10:03 PM on 08/04/2010
"We need to remember that just because a lot of people make a choice, doesn't make it the correct one. Just because a lot of people vote for a candidate, doesn't mean the candidate is the best choice."

Remember? Thanks for the reminder but I don't recall ever having that opinion in the slightest.

You make a terribly weak argument against Democracy. Read what you said over again, and pretend it was written by George Wallace. No dice.
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AxelDC
04:23 PM on 08/04/2010
The RNC is thinking of moving to proportional delegates because they saw what happened in 2008. McCain was unpopular in his party (still is) and Huckabee and Romney split the anti-McCain vote. McCain quickly picked up huge delegate totals with less than 40% of the vote in each state. He became the run away frontrunner on Super Tuesday, but most of the party disliked him.

Meanwhile, the Democrats had a long, drawn out process that focused all the attention on them. McCain was lost in the background, got little press, while Democrats got to parade around the country bashing Bush as much as each other. By June, the Clintonites for the most part reconciled themselves while Republicans never got to express their full frustration with McCain.

Get rid of the elitist superdelegates, but a long, drawn out process gives the party great exposure and allows a full airing of views. A truncated process did a great disservice to Republicans in 2008.
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04:06 PM on 08/04/2010
It is all gamed to lean towards those already in power. The voters are just a necessary irritant to theses guys. Our votes matter to them, but our needs do not. Those superdelegates are there to make sure the will of the people is overridden should that will endanger the powers of those in charge, ie: corporations.
04:28 PM on 08/04/2010
Bingo!
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phillip finley
stay strong!....Dems!
07:47 PM on 08/04/2010
you got that right!
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03:47 PM on 08/04/2010
Another reason why DEMs have become DINOs
02:41 PM on 08/04/2010
"Clearly, the people at the grassroots level should be the predominant voice. But if you don't give elected officials a real voice, they are basically second-class citizens"

Isn't this clearly the opposite of reality? If we removed superdelegates, elected officials would still have a primary/caucus vote like everyone else. As it is, the rest of us are all second-class citizens.
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03:48 PM on 08/04/2010
Starting to feel like a Muslim or Christian living in Israel, are you?
04:50 PM on 08/04/2010
Starting to inject completely off-topic commentary for no discernable reason, are you?

And, to answer your question: Not really.
02:39 PM on 08/04/2010
The Democrat primary was decided without the need for all the voting. Obama had it locked up way ahead and did not really need Acorn for the primary. Acorn through fraudulent voting swung many state elections and contributed to Obama's win. Aren't you Progressive True Racist Collectivist proud to be a DEM?
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Jason N
Proud Firebagger Lefty
03:35 PM on 08/04/2010
Are you proud to be an insane conspiracy theorist?
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03:49 PM on 08/04/2010
I thought Acorn had been exonerated, unlike Rove.
02:23 PM on 08/04/2010
If I were reading an article about a new government being formed in some third world government and it told how it was establishing an electoral college and its parties were allowing delegates and superdelegates to pick the candidates, my first thought would be...that that it was just a facade set up to allow the voters to think they actually have a say in who is getting elected. Yet we accept it in the name of a democracy, eventhough in close elections it completely ignores the popular vote. Hard to imagine we call ourselves a democracy when in fact in the most basic premise of a democracy...doesnt even apply in our case.
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Tyberius
03:47 PM on 08/04/2010
A Primary Election and a General Election are two separate and distinct things in this country. Calling a Primary Election non Democratic is correct, its not. It never has been. It's a process set up by a private organization to determine who they will put on the general ballot. I'm not saying its not a stupid process, I don't like it. But you should know what it is, before calling it something that it has no intention of being.
03:18 AM on 08/06/2010
I clearly was primarily talking about the electoral college, however I didnt call the primary elections anything, I implied they were non democratic and they are. Obviously they never have been, but one would think in the true sense of democracy that every aspect/stage of an election of our leaders would be a democratic one...and thats the point I was trying to make, that it isnt. There ought to be a constitutional amendment that requires all primaries be conducted the same way, regardless of party affiliation, and spell out the process so it follows the spirit of a true democracy. And the same amendment should do away with the electoral college and their delegates, its an antiquated, fascist idea.
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NoSandwiches
04:32 PM on 08/04/2010
By that standard, if I were reading about a new government that had their schoolchildren recite a pledge of allegiance to the flag each morning, I would believe it to be a fascist state.
03:31 AM on 08/06/2010
The words to the original, simple ‘Pledge of Allegiance ‘ written in 1892 , not by any of this nation’s founding fathers --- but by a Baptist minister, eventually pressured to leave his church , because he was a Christian SOCIALIST preaching SOCIALIST sermons reads as follows...


'I pledge allegiance to MY FLAG , and the republic for which it stands ; ONE NATION , INDIVISIBLE ; with liberty and justice for all' ...is the original pledge.

Our founding fathers had absolutely nothing to do with the pledge, its not in any formal way an accepted/required pledge of the US and is simply the schools who choose to recite it, own decision to do so. Our government doesnt require this, what planet are you from. Now if they did require it, I would most definitely have to say that it would have to be considered fascist.
01:39 PM on 08/04/2010
As an activist in Texas (who has lived in many other states) I have to say that our hybird system works very well. People who want some say in the process but couldn't be bothered to caucus have a say and those who are willing to put in the time (and are likely more informed) have an extra vote. I think a straight caucus is better but our system is not as screwed up as the media seems to think. I think everyone agrees superdelegates need to go.
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AxelDC
04:26 PM on 08/04/2010
I was stunned that Mark Penn in 2008 was unaware of the Texas Hybrid system. It's been around for years, and her boss's husband participated in it twice.

That just shows that Penn didn't know his job, another reason why Obama is President and Clinton is in his cabinet.
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Bright Creature
Crawling toward the light
01:25 PM on 08/04/2010
I was a first rung delegate voting on the resolution to eliminate super delegates. It was a split affair I can tell you (I voted to get rid of them).
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I used to be younger.
01:16 PM on 08/04/2010
What happened to SoundOff?
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ProudLiberalDan
Standing up an fighting conservatives since 1987
12:39 PM on 08/04/2010
In the 21st century, we should be empowering voters and citizens, not "delegates" and "electors" or "swing states".

I'd scrap the convention nominating system and the antiquated undemocratic Electoral College have a nationwide primary day and a direct popular vote for President using a form of runoff election for each (either ranked-choice or two-round).

That said, there is a valid argument for having superdelegates because the elected leaders of a political party will have to govern with the eventual nominee.

The Electoral College is the real abomination that should have been scrapped a century ago. Let's have a direct popular vote. The residents of low population states have their protection in the equal state representation in the U.S. Senate. They don't deserve or warrant a disproportionate influence in choosing a President.
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03:51 PM on 08/04/2010
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04:14 PM on 08/04/2010
#666?
12:37 PM on 08/04/2010
Games, nothing but games are all that both parties can come up with. They will still be playing these corrupt games when the rest of us fall off the cliff that we are rapidly approaching. I hope I can grab a couple of those bastids on the way down and do some serious crotch kicking before we hit bottom.
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Bright Creature
Crawling toward the light
01:29 PM on 08/04/2010
It's pretty much about power - and I gotta say that Lord Acton was so right when he said that power corrupts. These guys would sell their grammas for it
01:58 PM on 08/04/2010
I prefer my constant expression--"slit their own mother's throat in the middle of the night for one more primary vote."
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novo organon
12:31 PM on 08/04/2010
I call it the marginalization and atomization of the population in order to maintain control over it, so that the rich and powerful maintain their riches and power. A united population with sound logic and a sound understanding of its affairs is a threat to the power establishment and its long held priviliges. As well, threats to its priviliges abroad necessitates the need of the priviliged here to divide and conquer nation states in order to maintain its control pertaining to its foreign economic affairs, with the population here used as a means to their economic ends. The formation of the European Union and the Asian Economic Bloc is a reaction to the rise in Neo-Conservatism and its not well hidden design, which is U.S. Global Hegemony. Rome first conquered with the sword, then with the word. To-day, the U.S. Conquers with its military might, then with high interest IMF loans and investment.