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Mexico Drug Violence Has Killed 28,000 Since 2006

08/ 3/10 11:42 PM ET   AP

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Soldiers guard a street in the area where Mexican drug cartel leader Ignacio Coronel Villareal, aka Nacho Coronel was allegedly killed during an army raid in Zapopan, near Guadalajara, Mexico, Thursday July 29, 2010. Coronel is considered number three in the organization of fugitive Mexican drug lord Joaquin Chapo Guzman. (AP Photo/Claudio Cruz)

MEXICO CITY — President Felipe Calderon said he would consider a debate on legalizing drugs Tuesday as his government announced that more than 28,000 people have been killed in drug violence since he launched a crackdown against cartels in 2006.

Intelligence agency director Guillermo Valdes also said authorities have confiscated about 84,000 weapons and made total cash seizures of $411 million in U.S. currency and $26 million worth in pesos (330 million pesos).

Valdes released the statistics during a meeting with Calderon and representatives of business and civic groups, where attendees exploring ways to improve Mexico's anti-drug strategy called on the government to open a debate on legalization.

Calderon said he has taken note of the idea of legally regulating drugs in the past.

"It's a fundamental debate in which I think, first of all, you must allow a democratic plurality (of opinions)," he said. "You have to analyze carefully the pros and cons and the key arguments on both sides."

Three former presidents – Cesar Gaviria of Colombia, Ernesto Zedillo of Mexico and Fernando Cardoso of Brazil – urged Latin American countries last year to consider legalizing marijuana to undermine a major source of income for cartels. And Mexico's congress also has debated the issue.

But Calderon has long said he is opposed to the idea, and his office issued a statement hours after the meeting saying that while the president was open to debate on the issue, he remains "against the legalization of drugs."

In proposing the debate Tuesday, analyst and writer Hector Aguilar Camin said, "I'm not talking just about marijuana ... rather all drugs in general."

The most recent official toll of the drug war dead came in mid-June, when the attorney general said 24,800 had died. Valdes did not specify a time frame for the new statistics.

The government does not regularly break down murder statistics, but leading newspapers who kept their own counts say last month was the deadliest yet under Calderon: According to national daily Milenio, 1,234 were killed in July.

The Mexican government says most victims were involved in the drug trade.

Some attendees criticized the government for lacking consistent statistics on the drug war and an effective way to communicate its successes. They also said the government needs to do more to combat the financial arm of organized crime.

"There's no systematic policy for investigating or seizing the assets of organized crime," said Jose Luis Pineyro of Mexico's Autonomous Metropolitan University, "nor a system of locating the properties of organized crime."

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01:44 PM on 08/05/2010
Another instance of holding up something happening in another country to be worse than what's going on in our own, in an effort make our political/societal short comings appear a little less consequential and easier to accept.
According to the FBI web site, we had 17,000 murders in the US in 2006, alone.
Mexico? 28,000 since 2006.
Who has the larger problem?
"Don't take your eye off the ball!"
01:29 AM on 08/06/2010
bid deal
01:29 AM on 08/06/2010
oops corrected

big deal
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08:22 AM on 08/05/2010
During the Bush administration, when Vicente Fox was still ruling in Mexico, the Mexican legislature was on the verge of legalizing pot to the point that it was a foregone conclusion. In a near panic, the thugs of the Bush administration interfered in Mexican internal politics, applying all the pressure it could to successfully prevent Mexico from legalizing.

The situation in Mexico has only gotten dramatically worse since. Another failure of U.S. leadership and continuing failure for the U.S. War on Drugs.

Mexico and the U.S. should, at the very least, legalize pot.
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01:49 PM on 08/05/2010
You're not insinuating that the drug trade might be beneficial to one of our royal families or political parties are you?
Heaven forbid if everyone started connecting the dots between what has happened with US interference in Mexican drug policy and what happened with US interference in Colombia's drug policies and what happened in El Salvador (Iran/Contra) and what is happening for the last 9 years Afghanistan...
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04:01 AM on 08/05/2010
For God's sake, legalize all the drugs that are now illegal. If people have drug problems, help them.

Quit the stupid moralizing over it.
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05:47 AM on 08/05/2010
"Moral Disapproval alone is an improper basis on which to deny rights"
See the recent decision on gay marriage in California.
How is this different? Is there actual evidence to show that the use of marijuana is MORE dangerous than alcohol? Of course not, alcohol is a deadly neurotoxin that damages every organ in the body. Does the law keep these substances away from our children? Certainly not as well as our alcohol laws, ask any kid if it is easier to buy crack, meth, or pot at school than a six pack of beer. We've made it profitable to be a drug dealer with our legislation. The only reason there is a War on Drugs is moral. Usage of marijuana has increased 100,000% since the passage of the Marijuana Tax Act. So what, exactly is the intent of our drug laws, if it isn't just a moral crusade?
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03:38 AM on 08/05/2010
Canada's odious Harper regime is extremely hostile toward the cannabis community...

Shedding Light on Day: “Unreported Crimes” is code for “Cannabis Offences”

"... those who are charged with committing a cannabis offence – a widely “unreported crime” – will soon be sent to prison in much greater numbers. The actual purpose of the government’s prison expansion plans is to accommodate the anticipated impact of the Conservative government’s “National Anti-drug Strategy”, when one of its key components – Bill S-10 – passes into law... billions in additional funding will be needed to build prisons for the anticipated thousands of non-violent cannabis (and, to a lesser extent, other drug) offenders who Bill S-10 will soon subject to mandatory imprisonment."
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read more:
http://blog.paulmckeever.ca/2010/08/04/shedding-light-on-day-unreported-crimes-code-for-cannabis-offences/
02:14 AM on 08/05/2010
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. "
-Benjamin Franklin

Legalize Drugs Here and there
Prohibition = Insanity
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12:00 AM on 08/05/2010
Here's a bit of reality from Judge Jim Gray:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6t1EM4Onao&feature=related

The prohibition and fraud is failed. It's not worth the 7,500 lives a year to keep funding the CIA bank accounts and the propping up of the FED and Banksters in laundering the cash.
02:20 AM on 08/05/2010
Awesome! Thank you for sharing. :)
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Kevin Atlanta
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02:58 AM on 08/05/2010
Now share it with as many as you can think of.

It's past time for the insanity to end.
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
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10:40 PM on 08/04/2010
I hope Calderon legalizes ALL drugs...everything. You think Mexico is a $hithole now.....just wait. Next is the good ol 'USA.
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10:52 PM on 08/04/2010
It's a hole now in large part thanks to our drug laws, which enrich the most violent criminals, who in turn corrupt the bureaucracy with narco dollars. If we eliminate their source of power, the people of Mexico may have some hope. If we keep raising the risks, we keep raising the profits, and what we have witnessed happening only after we first passed federal drug laws in 1914 will only increase. Where were the drug cartels before 1914, by the way? And what happened to all those whiskey smugglers after we ended prohibition? Canada went to hell, didn't it?
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
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12:22 AM on 08/05/2010
I'll post this again........How many deaths are attributed to alcohol each year? Not just the violance and accidental deaths but remember the medical industry's stats also? How many? Now you wish that number to grow 10 fold? C'mon......
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09:51 PM on 08/04/2010
According to the FBI web site, the US gets the bragging rights for 117,000 in 2006 alone.
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09:58 PM on 08/04/2010
My bad...17,000 murders in 2006 alone.
(Yeah, I know the response..."But we're bigger!"
Like that matters.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_01.html
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10:05 PM on 08/04/2010
Gotta get this straight...
My bad.
According to the FBI web site, the US had 17,000 murders in 2006 alone!
(Yeah, I know the response to this..."But we're bigger!" As if that somehow makes a difference.)

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_01.html
04:22 AM on 08/05/2010
well...it kind of does make a difference...why wont it (its also 10,000 less so...what are you suggesting)?

Not sure your point. This is a serious problem, are you suggesting drug wars in Mexico arent?
Either way, Ending drug prohibition will mean less crime here as well.
04:24 AM on 08/05/2010
sorry...that should read "100,000 less"...guess we are both up on the typos
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09:50 PM on 08/04/2010
If they leagalized drugs, the country would be rich from taxes and tourism. Americans wouldn't need to fly to The Netherlands for experimentation. A richer country might also mean less undocumented workers coming into the US.
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Alwayspissedoffatsomeone
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10:49 PM on 08/04/2010
"If they leagalized drugs, the country would be rich from taxes and tourism." -- uni

Yeah...right, pal. Any and all money would be diverted to the corrupt government of Mexico like it always has been and those coming over the borders would be loaded up with drugs like the neighborhood ice cream man, selling their wares, that is, if they're not murdered for their drugs once they cross.
11:18 PM on 08/04/2010
Making drugs illegal HAS NOT WORKED...and it has failed to work for years.

So you expect people to continue a method that does not work why?
06:20 PM on 08/04/2010
this is the countrty that lectures obama. And obama listens to them. What a joke.
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09:35 PM on 08/04/2010
Yup. Seriously. But we have a host of folks on here that LOVE to tiptoe through the tulips, making apologies for them and giving all sorts of reasons why they should all be welcomed into the border states with open arms and ticker tape parades.
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03:39 PM on 08/04/2010
What does it say about our government who has been in this war for over 70 years and the Mexican government, who is relatively a novice in the war on drugs, saying "lets debate it and find a better system than the one that is in place"?
06:22 PM on 08/04/2010
typical blame America first liberal. what does it say about Mexico that has a history of violence and oppression?
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06:51 PM on 08/04/2010
Typical knee-jerk reactionist conservative. I was only questioning the futility in which our government fights an endless war on drugs and has made our children and country less safe as a result of it. We all know and acknowledge that Mexico is not a model of excellence but with that point being made, how is it that a third world country can see that the U.S. strategy on the war on drugs is a failure and are willing to visit alternative remedies for this problem.

And just so you know, I don't blame the U.S. I blame the conservatives who fight progress even if it is for their own good. All the conservatives have are emotional ideologies and disregard facts and logic. I don't consider myself a liberal considering the fact that I do think that the right occassionaly comes up with some good ideas, just the same I believe that the left can come up with some bad ideas. So you can take your ideological spectrum and shove it where the sun don't shine. If I blamed the U.S. then why would I have served in the military?
11:19 PM on 08/04/2010
America IS to blame for this.

Americans have a great want for drugs and the Mexican gangs are willing to supply it.

Now what will happen if drugs are legalized and taxed?

Think back to Prohibition if you need help...
01:03 PM on 08/04/2010
Its not about the money its about the 28k death persons, and counting.

In Mexico, life is considered more precious than money (I know, sounds real wacky), that's why Mexican Gov, despite USA pressure, hardly ever sends troops overseas, sells weapons to others countries, or even endorses/sanctions military confrontations of any kind.
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MiraMcB
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09:43 PM on 08/04/2010
Now I'm confused. If life in Mexico is more precioius than money, how do we account for the 28,000 deaths (and counting) in less than four years? Come again?
01:56 PM on 08/05/2010
Its called "CRIME" an action persecuted by the state, and thous who breach the precept of "life in Mexico is more precious than money" are called CRIMINALS, and everyone of them no matter how much dollars their earn still are considered criminals.

And precisely because those 28k persons, despite all the money that the CRIME generates, they are talking into changing the law and make the drugs legal.

I know, it's easy to get confused, my bad.
But believe me, in Mexico life is more precious than money.. I just don't know how to explain it to some.
12:47 PM on 08/04/2010
Just imagine the money that Mexico its going to make in Drug Tourist revenues.
05:20 PM on 08/04/2010
I believe legalized marijuana could be a source of much-needed employment and revenue in Mexico. However, as in the past when such an idea was being considered, Americans cried out that their precious teens would go to Mexico on spring break and get high on pot! As if they don't do that now in all the other US-side spring break meccas. Legalization seems to work in other places, like Amsterdam. How much of their economy is boosted by this liberal policy?
08:07 PM on 08/04/2010
Who knows, but I'm going... :p

Amsterdam is not as close as Tijuana or Ciudad Juarez, I fore see a bunch of money.
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12:13 PM on 08/04/2010
I'm surprised that the Mexican government hasn't declared that we in the Us, as their primary drugs' customer, are responsible for all these deaths, declared war on Us, and started shooting drones over the border for our support of terrorism.

That's what we would have done!
02:05 PM on 08/04/2010
Yes you are correct.
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03:41 PM on 08/04/2010
They have said we are the problem but our government ignores them knowing Mexico will not move against the U.S.
12:06 PM on 08/04/2010
Mexico can legalize drugs and export all drug addicts to Mexico
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06:35 PM on 08/04/2010
Like Rush Limbaugh