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Google, Verizon Deny Striking Web Deal That Could Upend Net Neutrality (UPDATED)

AP/Huffington Post   First Posted: 08/05/10 12:35 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:15 PM ET

Net Neutrality

UPDATED: Google Public Policy countered the New York Times' report in a tweet. "@NYTimes is wrong," Google Public Policy wrote. "We've not had any convos with VZN about paying for carriage of our traffic. We remain committed to an open internet."

Companies and the press have offered contradictory accounts of the negotiations between Google and Verizon. Get a full rundown of who has said what here.

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WASHINGTON -- Google Inc. and Verizon Communications Inc. are close to finalizing a proposal for so-called "network neutrality" rules, which would dictate how broadband providers treat Internet traffic flowing over their lines, according to a person briefed on the negotiations.

A deal could be announced within days, said the person, who did not want to be identified because negotiations are still ongoing.

The exact terms of the deal are unclear. According to the New York Times, the agreement between Google and Verizon "could allow Verizon to speed some online content to Internet users more quickly if the content's creators are willing to pay for the privilege." Under this deal, "charges could be paid by companies, like YouTube, owned by Google, for example, to Verizon, one of the nation's leading Internet service providers, to ensure that its content received priority as it made its way to consumers," the New York Times explains, noting that Internet users might eventually pay a higher price for service as a result. Meanwhile, Bloomberg reports that the two companies have been negotiating a deal that would affect how Verizon handles content traveling via its mobile networks: "The compromise as described would restrict Verizon from selectively slowing Internet content that travels over its wires, but wouldn’t apply such limits to Internet use on mobile phones, according to the people, who spoke yesterday and asked not to be identified before an announcement."

Any deal that is reached could form the basis for federal legislation and would likely shape efforts by the Federal Communications Commission to broker an agreement on the contentious issue, which has pitted the nation's big phone and cable companies against many big Internet companies.

The FCC has been holding talks with a handful of large phone, cable and Internet companies - including Verizon and Google - to try to reach some sort of industrywide compromise on net neutrality that all sides can accept. FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski is seeking to adopt rules that would require phone and cable companies to give equal treatment to all broadband traffic traveling over their networks.

Public interest groups and a number of big Internet companies, including Google and online calling service Skype, say such rules are needed to prevent broadband providers from becoming online gatekeepers. They are particularly concerned that the phone and cable companies could start charging extra for priority access, or could slow or even block Internet phone calls, online video and other Web services that compete with their core businesses.

But the phone and cable companies argue that after investing billions in their networks, they need to be able earn a return on their massive investments by offering premium services. They also insist that they need flexibility to manage network traffic so that high-bandwidth applications don't eat up too much capacity and slow down their systems for everyone else.

While there is consensus that broadband providers should not be allowed to block or degrade Internet traffic, the FCC talks have yet to produce an agreement. Two big sticking points center on whether broadband providers should be allowed to offer premium services and whether net neutrality rules should apply to wireless networks, which tend to have more bandwidth constraints than landline systems.

In a statement Wednesday, Verizon said it has been in talks with Google for nearly 10 months to try to strike some sort of compromise on net neutrality. It added that it remains committed to the discussions taking place at the FCC and is "optimistic this process will reach a consensus that can maintain an open Internet and the investment and innovation required to sustain it."

Google had no comment.

Google and Verizon are already business partners since Google's Android operating system powers Verizon Wireless's Droid smartphone. The Droid is the biggest competitor to Apple Inc.'s iPhone, which is available only through AT&T Wireless in the U.S.

An FCC statement said only that "the broad stakeholder discussions continue to actively include Google and Verizon."

AT&T Inc., which is also taking part in the FCC talks, said it is "not a party to the purported agreement between Google and Verizon" and remains "committed to trying to reach a consensus on this issue through the FCC process."

Several public interest groups, meanwhile, voiced concerns that a deal between Verizon and Google would allow broadband providers to offer premium services and would not apply to wireless networks. Josh Silver, founder and president of the group Free Press, warned that an agreement would amount to "a bold grab for market power by two monopolistic players" and would "effectively create two Internets where application and content innovators have to ask Verizon and Google for permission to reach mobile Internet customers."

"The point of a network neutrality rule is to prevent big companies from dividing the Internet between them," said Gigi Sohn, president and co-founder of the group Public Knowledge. "We do not need rules to protect Google and Verizon, but we need a rule to protect the customers of Google and Verizon and the competitors of Google and Verizon."

The talks at the FCC are also focused on establishing the agency's authority to regulate broadband. The agency has been scrambling to develop a new regulatory framework since a federal appeals court in April cast doubt on its jurisdiction over broadband - including its ability to mandate net neutrality - under existing rules.

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UPDATED: Google Public Policy countered the New York Times' report in a tweet. "@NYTimes is wrong," Google Public Policy wrote. "We've not had any convos with VZN about paying for carriage of our traf...
UPDATED: Google Public Policy countered the New York Times' report in a tweet. "@NYTimes is wrong," Google Public Policy wrote. "We've not had any convos with VZN about paying for carriage of our traf...
 
 
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12:09 PM on 08/08/2010
I can guarantee ( myself for one ) would never consider verizon also would stop using google and close my account if they attempt to close the deal on "network neutrality" (who are those two companies to speak on behalf of the world) which would affect access to the full internet. But who am i to speak since im only one person....LOL

Another scam by the crops. to liquidate our money in fees and continue the tyranny of control....
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Cody Wetzel
01:10 PM on 08/06/2010
Control of bandwidth is already happening to a certain extent. Several communications companies have teared connection speed options. Also some websites offer faster downloads if you are a premium user.

You would think deals like the article is referring to would violate anti-monopoly laws.
10:32 AM on 08/06/2010
This is a nonstory. HP is trying to sensationalize something that never happened.
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Blue Ayez
10:09 AM on 08/06/2010
"Any deal that is reached could form the basis for federal legislation and would likely shape efforts by the Federal Communications Commission to broker an agreement"
After the MMS debacle is there any doubt that Verizon or Google is rich enough to buy off the FCC?
08:44 AM on 08/06/2010
SAVE THE INTERNET for the PEOPLE!!! SAVE Democracy;

These types of alliances are dangerously setting the infrastructure for them 1) to control public's accessibility to

and use of, internet, given that internet is the public's LAST remaining reasonably reliable source of info, in

contrast to corporate-and-special-interest-controlled MSM; 2) to later on decide what content (e.g. censorship,

etc.), what delivery-mechanism (wireless, handheld device, TV, Radios, etc.) would be affordable and provided to

public. Soon, this will become just like what the telecoms did to the distribution of cable/dsl contents and pricing.

Entrepreneurs and public interest advocates were locked out or priced out of their access/use of the cable/broadband

services.
Unfortunately, just like what happened to our healt-care-reform, financial-reform efforts, US congressmen are already

BOUGHT by special-interest groups and lobbyists.They're of NO HELP at all. (Real) Democracy is being slowly killed,

people are slowly being usurped of their power. CUT OFF Election Campaing Financing, NOW!!!! SAD, SAD, SHAME,

SHAME!!!! See http://www.freepress.net/news/2010/8/5/google-verizon-deal-end-internet-we-know-it
12:05 PM on 08/06/2010
Jo, you are absolutely right! What we see is already being filtered through most news outlets allowing us only to see what those corrupt individuals that own/control the media outlets or those who "own" them want us to see. The internet is our last resource with which to receive accurate information. We must save the internet at all costs! This dissipation of neutrality must not be allowed to happen. Our democracy has been on a steady decline for too long now. We must hold our ground!
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rotorhead1871
who are you jivin' with that cosmic debris?...
08:55 PM on 08/05/2010
net neutrality=access by everyone NOT everyone gets the same speed. speed is a function of money, the more you pay....the faster you go. ONLY access is neutral, not speed.....and if they want to charge for content......I like AM radio.......

NOW lets go download some HD movies!!!!
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Tyrione
08:26 PM on 08/05/2010
Anyone who thinks talks aren't and have been taking place for the past 5 years was either too young to know or too ignorant to suspect.
10:33 AM on 08/06/2010
Do you also believe in Ghosts and UFOs?
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JasonMcl
Hey a countdown clock. MannNnn that is trouble...
06:54 PM on 08/05/2010
WARNING:

There is a lot of mis-information being spread around by our corporate lobbying overlords concerning net neutrality.

Just remember these two facts...

1. Net Neutrality preserves the internet as it is now.
2. The major Telcoms (verizon, at&t, time-warner) want to turn your current free and unlimited internet into this: http://blog.lionelfaucher.net/public/Net_Neutrality.png

Study that picture. Because it gets worse.

Once they have the power to throttle part of the internet, there will be nothing stopping them from completely blocking any part of it that conflicts with their interests and agendas.

Our internet, as it is, is the last refuge of free communication and independent thought that we have left on this earth. Once it goes dark you might as well forget about any kind of political news, dissent or protest ever reaching your ears.

www.savetheinternet.com
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VapeGirl
Progressive Democrat and proud of it!
09:12 PM on 08/05/2010
Yep...and you know what...nobody is listening. They'll be wishing they had in a couple of months when they try to reach one of their favorite websites and cannot because they haven't cut a deal with the telcom companies for bandwidth usage.
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JasonMcl
Hey a countdown clock. MannNnn that is trouble...
09:30 PM on 08/05/2010
I tipped HP Tech that image, maybe they will post it somewhere where it can be seen by more than 10 people.
10:35 AM on 08/06/2010
You have opened my eyes. Now tell me about the Santa Claus.
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JClark2o6
06:40 PM on 08/05/2010
No deal... just spoke with a friend who would know.. no deal. Just another Sherrod moment for the media.
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JasonMcl
Hey a countdown clock. MannNnn that is trouble...
06:35 PM on 08/05/2010
These closed door meetings are really shutting down our discourse on this very important matter.

Nobody knows who is telling the truth at this point... I have heard that Google is:

1. Still dealing with verizon
2. Has made a deal to throttle mobile broadband but not standard internet
3. Has doomed us all to corporate internet causing us to move to Argentina.

Just remember folks, aside from signing the net neutrality petition at www.savetheinternet.com you can cancel your subscriptions to any ISP that decides to include a tiered internet plan.

I will personally use Dialup and BBS again before I give another dollar to any ISP that tries to make this move.
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rotorhead1871
who are you jivin' with that cosmic debris?...
08:58 PM on 08/05/2010
agree, and so do many more.....
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05:58 PM on 08/05/2010
Time to break out the old Bulletin Board Software and the retro data packages.
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JClark2o6
05:43 PM on 08/05/2010
Guess it's time to walk away from Google... good time as any to check out Bing. Any other search engine suggestions?
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rotorhead1871
who are you jivin' with that cosmic debris?...
08:59 PM on 08/05/2010
been using bing, it works good....all done with google, they are over the edge when they started working with the NSA.....I kinda urrped.....
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PenguinLinux
got root ?
01:05 PM on 08/06/2010
Go go ixquick.com
09:46 AM on 08/07/2010
Thanks much. Looks like Google just lost another user. Maybe when their market share diminishes, they'll move back to what made them successful - standing up for their users.
05:01 PM on 08/05/2010
I support objective, true, honest and false-free news. I've had it with the Lapdog Media.
04:50 PM on 08/05/2010
As a former employee at ATT I can tell you they had system in place for VM messages when there was network congestion with certain messages having higher priority over others. With the explosive growth of smart phones and data usage there will be a similiar system and those who cant pay will be regulated to the lower tiers. Net neutrality is a great idea but without direct government control it will never be.
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PtownBen
04:37 PM on 08/05/2010
Go To Slahdot.org this has been denied, this is't even true.

Google's Public Policy Twitter account just belted out a denial of these claims, straight-up saying that the New York Times 'is wrong.' Here's the full tweet, which certainly makes us feel a bit more at ease. For now. '@NYTimes is wrong. We've not had any convos with VZN about paying for carriage of our traffic. We remain committed to an open internet.' Verizon's now also issued a statement and, like Google, it's denying the claims in the original New York Times report."
09:48 AM on 08/07/2010
I'll believe them when they come out from behind closed meetings.