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Why The Prop 8 Ruling Scares Religious Conservatives

First Posted: 08/07/10 09:11 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:15 PM ET

Prop 8

By Daniel Burke
Religion News Service

(RNS) When U.S. District Judge Vaughn Walker struck down California's Proposition 8 on Wednesday (Aug. 4), he said voters' motivation for outlawing gay marriage was clear.

"The evidence shows conclusively that moral and religious views form the only basis for a belief that same-sex couples are different from opposite-sex couples," Walker wrote in his sweeping, 136-page decision.

"These interests do not provide a rational basis for supporting Proposition 8."

Religion, in Walker's reasoning, amounts to a "private moral view," which should not infringe upon the constitutional rights of others.

While some legal scholars say Walker's decision lands on firm legal ground--a law must advance a secular purpose to pass constitutional muster--some religious leaders accuse the judge of trying to scrub faith from the public square.

"Judge Walker claimed to read the minds of California's voters, arguing that the majority voted for Proposition 8 based on religious opposition to homosexuality, which he then rejected as an illegitimate state interest," R. Albert Mohler, president of a leading Southern Baptist seminary in Kentucky, wrote in an online column.

"In essence, this establishes secularism as the only acceptable basis for moral judgment on the part of voters," Mohler said.

On Thursday, Prop 8's supporters filed an appeal of Walker's decision. Jim Campbell, an attorney with the Alliance Defense Fund, a conservative Christian law firm involved in the litigation, said the religious freedom argument will play an important role as the case moves up the federal judicial ladder--including, potentially, the Supreme Court.

"At bottom, our strategy here is, and has always been, that in this country we should respect the rights of the people when they do what they have always done: vote based on their religious and moral convictions," Campbell said.

Abolitionists, anti-abortion activists, and civil rights activists have all been motivated by personal faith, Campbell argued. "To be blunt, we felt (Walker's decision) was an all-out attack on religion."

Walker did note, however, that no religion will be forced to perform same-sex weddings.

Howard Friedman, an emeritus law professor at Ohio's University of Toledo, said Walker is not attacking religion per se; he is just not giving religious expression any special consideration.

"He's basically saying that a private moral view isn't a rational basis for legislation," said Friedman, who writes the popular "Religion Clause" blog. "Case law goes both ways on that. There are certainly some cases that say a merely moral view isn't enough to support legislation; on the other hand, there are some cases that talk about laws being a moral view on society."

Walker's reasoning relies, in part, on a 1996 Supreme Court decision that struck down an anti-gay law in Colorado, Friedman said. That decision, written by Justice Anthony Kennedy--who's considered a key swing vote on the high court--invalidated laws grounded in "animosity toward the class of persons affected."

Walker devotes several pages in his ruling to identifying religion as a prime source of anti-gay animus, listing examples from the Vatican and the Southern Baptist Convention, and noting that 84 percent of weekly churchgoers voted in favor of Prop 8, according to a CNN exit poll.

As if to prove Walker's point, Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony released a statement on Wednesday that said, "Those of us who supported Prop 8 and worked for its passage did so for one reason: We truly believe that marriage was instituted by God for the specific purpose of carrying out God's plan for the world and human society. Period."

Still, some religious leaders take issue with Walker's conclusion that "religious beliefs that gay and lesbian relationships are sinful or inferior to heterosexual relationships harm gays and lesbians."

"If religion is considered the chief obstacle to gay and lesbian political progress, then it would seem to follow that the state has an obligation to remove that obstacle," said R.R. Reno, a senior editor at First Things, a Catholic journal based in New York.

"That's not going to happen, because the First Amendment protects religious expression," but it could lead to a sidelining of faith in political debate, Reno said.

Sister Mary Ann Walsh, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, says Walker is wrong on the law and the church's theology. The Roman Catholic Church holds that homosexuality is not sinful in itself, but that homosexual acts are.

"Freedom of religion and freedom of speech allow us to speak without his deeming us harmful," Walsh said. "Our teaching is our teaching."

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CBasilJr
62 Retired Vet
02:41 AM on 08/17/2010
I wonder how many supposedly Christian churches are now teaching that Obama is the Anti-Christ.
07:35 PM on 08/16/2010
THank God for a reasonable court suspending this judge's obscene ruling Sorry charlie close call but no cigar
01:01 PM on 08/16/2010
“...moral and religious views form the only basis for a belief that same-sex couples are different from opposite-sex couples.”

And isn’t it an equally moral view that says moral views should not form any basis of belief?
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rationaljimmy
love-child of Tom Jefferson & Carl Sagan
10:59 AM on 08/16/2010
I'm old enough to remember when the attacks from conservatives toward homosexuals were almost entirely about the free associations and lack of long-term coupling they perceived among gay people. Then AIDS, and the attacks shifted to the intentional spread of disease gays were causing. Then the first gay couple said, "Hey, why can't we get married?", and the attacks shifted to "they want to destroy marriage". They have no desire to grasp the actual, true history of marriage, and they are still being allowed to control the "debate". All because of a reluctance among aware people to say one thing: your views are bankrupt, and your god is irrelevant to the Constitution of the United States.
05:51 AM on 08/16/2010
I think they're afraid of gay marriage because it'll mean they'll only have the anti-abortion platform to raise money on. What a bummer. At least we'll always have all those scary, stormy, anti-gay marriage spoof ads on youtube!
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
07:42 PM on 08/15/2010
Religious groups may have every right to speak against homosexuality that they desire, but they must never have the right to restrict homosexuals from engaging in any activity (including marriage and sex, commerce, recreation, profession, any other rights, etc.) that they freely engage in.

So a business owner may have his personal conviction against homosexuals, but he should not be allowed to discriminate against serving them in his business.
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Marcus047
given up on HP
11:19 AM on 08/16/2010
Exactly, nor may they ever threaten or incite violence, against gays or anyone else. Say I'm a sinner if you must, but don't say that I'm dangerous to others, that I have to be stopped, that I need to jailed or killed. Those cross a line of civility that society cannot and must not accept.
10:53 PM on 08/16/2010
A private business owner should have the ability to discriminate against anyone he chooses.

The market will weed him out.
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
11:44 PM on 08/16/2010
Not necessarily. In some places the general population might well ensure his survival, particularly if he alone offers certain services. A lone gas station in a small town, etc.

The power to discriminate might well be the power of life or death. No one should have that power in the name of business-owner's rights.
07:31 AM on 08/15/2010
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After our Lady had disappeared into the immense distance of the firmament, we beheld St. Joseph with the Child Jesus and Our Lady robed in white with a blue mantle, beside the sun. St. Joseph and the Child Jesus seemed to bless the world, for they traced the Sign of the Cross with their hands. When, a little later, this apparition disappeared, I saw Our Lord and Our lady; it seemed to me to that it was Our Lady of Sorrows (Dolors). Our Lord appeared to bless the world in the same manner as St. Joseph had done. This apparition also vanished, and I saw Our Lady once more, this time resembling Our Lady of Carmel. [Only Lucia would see the later, presaging her entrance into Carmel some years later.]
This would be the last of the apparitions of Fátima for Jacinta and Francisco. However, for Lucia Our Lady would return a seventh time, in 1920, as she had promised the previous May. At that time Lucia would be praying in the Cova before leaving Fátima for a girls boarding school. The Lady would come to urge her to dedicate herself wholly to God.
As the children viewed the various apparitions of Jesus, Mary and Joseph the crowd witnessed a different prodigy, the now famous miracle of the sun.
A-Superstitionist
Keep thy superstitions to thyself and out of laws
11:50 AM on 08/16/2010
This superstitious story is off-topic in this discussion.
07:29 AM on 08/15/2010
Will you tell me your name?"
I am the Lady of the Rosary. "I have many petitions from many people. Will you grant them? "
Some I shall grant, and others I must deny. People must amend their lives and ask pardon for their sins. They must not offend our Lord any more, for He is already too much offended!
"And is that all you have to ask?"
There is nothing more.
As the Lady of the Rosary rises toward the east she turns the palms of her hands toward the dark sky. While the rain had stopped, dark clouds continued to obscure the sun, which suddenly bursts through them and is seen to be a soft spinning disk of silver.

"Look at the sun!"
A-Superstitionist
Keep thy superstitions to thyself and out of laws
11:51 AM on 08/16/2010
This superstitious story is off-topic in this discussion.
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CBasilJr
62 Retired Vet
02:38 AM on 08/17/2010
We already know that the God portrayed in the Old Testament was cruel and vindictive. Sending a bear to kill 40 children is just one example.

I'm sorry, but as the teachings of most of the "Christian" churches are no longer Christian, I deny your right to cast moral judgments against me.

No, I am not gay and not even living in sin. I just believe in the message contained in the New Testament including the part where Jesus talked about stoning a woman.
07:26 AM on 08/15/2010
From the Blessed Virgin Mary's appearance in Portugal July 1917-

You have seen hell, where the souls of poor sinners go. It is to save them that God wants to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If you do what I tell you, many souls will be saved, and there will be peace. This war will end, but if men do not refrain from offending God, another and more terrible war will begin during the pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night that is lit by a strange and unknown light [this occurred on January 28, 1938], you will know it is the sign God gives you that He is about to punish the world with war and with hunger, and by the persecution of the Church and the Holy Father.



Her October visitation to Fatima Portugal had 100,000 witness over 25 square miles even the socialist government and athiest public media could not deny the miracle of the sun caught on film
A-Superstitionist
Keep thy superstitions to thyself and out of laws
11:51 AM on 08/16/2010
This superstitious story is off-topic in this discussion.
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somsoc
All humans are atheists at birth.
03:30 AM on 08/15/2010
The very Constitutionally accurate application to the b!got based Prop. 8 ruling scares xtian 'conservatives' like the Mor0n Cult, because it will take away yet another group of people that they cannot look to as being less worthy and therefore less human.
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Bob Wood
A.T.C.G...(sigh)
01:03 PM on 08/14/2010
Let's all judge our neighbors by ancient mythology and superstition. Yep...that's the ticket. SEX is normal among Homo Sapiens in all it's forms and manifestations. It is biochemical. What anybody does that doesn't include me...is OK. (Well I've seen some it might be fun to watch...wash my mouth out with soap)...(sigh)
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
12:29 PM on 08/14/2010
If "animosity toward the class of persons affected" invalidates a law, then watch out Arizona!
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Big Game Hunter
Facts are Republican Kryptonite
04:12 AM on 08/16/2010
The difference is that Prop 8 is *de jure* discrimination, and that 1070 is only "de facto" discrimination. Like the cryptkeeper (jan brewer) said "this law doesn't target people by race"... and if you look at the *words* it does not- but the circumstances of how it will be enforced are another matter altogether. The thing about de facto discrimination is that because it is not in the laws, it is harder to get rid of (it is the reason why affirmative action was put into existance - companies that had no rules against hiring blacks were still not hiring them- so rules had to be put in place to force their hand).
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William D Simpson
02:36 AM on 08/14/2010
There is different side to this story that the media doesnt tell.

http://wsimpson.wordpress.com/2010/07/23/a-concerned-response-to-the-proponents-of-americas-culture-war/
A-Superstitionist
Keep thy superstitions to thyself and out of laws
10:42 AM on 08/14/2010
You mentioned the mythical character "God" 82 times in your article which instantly drops the credibility of your article to zero.

You quote from books full of holes written decades after the alleged death of the alleged main character by people who could not have known this alleged main character personally. What you people don't seem to get is that the constitution guarantees equal rights to everyone and freedom OF and FROM superstition (religion).

Take your article and replace god with pink unicorn, tooth fairy, flying spaghetti monster, santa claus, ... and then re-read it. I bet it won't look as convincing if you swap out one superstition for another.

There is NO conspiracy going on. Only a painful process to full equality in a secular society where everyone has freedom OF and FROM all superstition.
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Big Game Hunter
Facts are Republican Kryptonite
04:14 AM on 08/16/2010
Go tell it to the folks down at the megachurch.
01:58 AM on 08/14/2010
Historically, institution of marriage was established to provide the line of property inheritance - only "lawful" offsprings could get it, not bastards. For a similar reason, catholic priests were prohibited to marry, not because they are holy or defective, but to keep their property within the church. None of these considerations apply to gays any differently than to straights, so no reason to keep them from marrying. Gays actually make very good priests, being aware of their own weakness (as they perceive), and they would probably have very good families for the same reason - they wouldn't take them for granted as the rest of us does.
A-Superstitionist
Keep thy superstitions to thyself and out of laws
08:52 PM on 08/13/2010
All those who oppose same-sex marriage seem to quote is books full of holes (which they call holy books) written decades after the alleged death of the alleged main character by people who could not have known this alleged main character personally. What these people don't seem to get is that the constitution guarantees equal rights to everyone and freedom OF and FROM superstition (religion). I would suggest that those opposing same-sex marriage write down their #1 argument on paper and then replace god with pink unicorn, tooth fairy, flying spaghetti monster, santa claus, ... and then re-read their argument. I bet it won't look as convincing if you swap out one superstition for another.