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'Global Weirding': Extreme Climate Events Dominate The Summer

First Posted: 08/12/10 05:36 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:20 PM ET

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A heatwave in Russia is sparking wildfires that are driving residents from Moscow and devastating the country's wheat crop. A fifth of Pakistan is underwater and millions are deluged by floods in Asia. Another heatwave is torturing Mexico and the East Coast of the United States. An incomprehensibly large chunk of ice has broken off a glacier in Greenland, the most significant climate event there in 50 years.

Most scientists caution that no single event can be tied specifically to increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. But climate-change deniers quickly point to the first snowfall in winter as evidence against global warming. If that's the standard, the extreme climate events all across the globe must say something about whether climate change is already upon us. Indeed, the regularity of the events is beginning to undermine the descriptor "extreme". Extreme is the new normal.

"We're setting climate records at a record-setting pace," David Orr, a professor of environmental studies and politics at Oberlin College, told HuffPost. "More hottest hots, driest dries, wettest wets, windiest wind conditions. So it's all part of a pattern. If you ask is this evidence of climate destabilization, the only scientific answer you can give is: It is consistent with what we can expect." Orr is the author of "Down to the Wire: Confronting Climate Collapse" and five other books on politics and the environment.

The Pentagon announced in a report earlier this year that new patterns in the weather "may act as an accelerant of instability or conflict, placing a burden to respond on civilian institutions and militaries around the world." And a new report from the National Wildlife Federation explores the unsettling implications of continued warming: climate models indicate that if nothing is done -- and nothing is being done -- extreme fluctuations will only become more common. The warning is timely, if the steady rise of international weather-related disasters is any indication.

So far this summer Russia has lost one-fifth of its wheat harvest to raging wildfires, fueled by the worst drought the country has seen in 130 years. Crops in the neighboring countries of Ukraine and Kazakhstan are also suffering from the drought, as the wildfires continue to sweep west.

Wheat crops are failing in other parts of the world, too. The Canadian Wheat Board, a marketing agency for Canada's wheat and barley growers, is forecasting a 35 percent drop in the harvest this year, a falloff caused by unusually heavy rains during the planting season. In a study last month, the National Academy of Sciences predicted that failing crops produced by inclement weather may drive up to seven million Mexicans to the U.S. over the next 70 years.

In the eastern United States, Americans have been sweating out a summer-long heat wave following a winter of extraordinary snowfall that brought major cities to a halt several times. Scientists confirm it's been the hottest year globally on record.

In Greenland, a giant ice floe four times the size of Manhattan broke off one of the country's two main glaciers, the biggest such event in the Arctic in nearly half a century. Scientists said it's difficult to state empirically whether global warming caused the halving of the 100 square-mile ice island, since the records have been kept only since 2003.

"Is it specifically caused by climate destabilization? No one could say that for sure, but it is certainly consistent with what appears to be an accelerating pattern of climate anomalies, or what some people call 'global weirding,'" said Orr. "It isn't global warming. It really is planetary destabilization... And we'll see more of that kind of thing. And the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change puts the odds that humans are in fact the driver in such things at well above 90 percent, which means it's a virtual certainty that yeah, that's what's going on."

Two weeks of floods have devastated Pakistan's Indus river basin, killing 1,600 people and threatening rice, cotton and wheat crops. The floods, triggered by unusually heavy monsoon rains -- how much longer will we be able to use "unusually" to describe events that are happening more and more often? -- are the worst in recent history, affecting an estimated 14 million people, or 8 percent of the population, and forcing 2 million civilians to flee their homes. One fifth of the nation is underwater.

The floods were triggered by a rainfall of roughly 16 inches in the northern mountainous parts of Pakistan where it meets Afghanistan. Continuous heavy precipitation between July 28 and 29 unleashed a torrent of water. "That was a record," Qamar-uz-Zaman Chaudhry, director-general of the Pakistan Meteorological Department, told Reuters. "The only explanation can be the link to climate change. Because that area very rarely receives monsoon rains."

Deforestation may also have contributed to the impact of the the floods, Chaundry said, and as the population increases, more people are being forced to live in flood-prone areas.

Climate change scientists fear it could be a harbinger. While a single, massive flooding cannot be shown to be caused directly by greenhouse gases, the sharp rise in extreme weather patterns over the last 20 years is less ambiguous. It's a dangerous trend for Pakistan's 160 million people, many of whom already face severe floods and droughts on a regular basis. In the long run, scientists say the region could suffer from declining amounts of meltwater from glaciers feeding the Indus River, which is the nation's life-blood. If the glaciers melt too fast, the source of fresh water for hundreds of millions of people literally dries up.

Meanwhile, flash floods in the mountains of Indian-occupied Kashmir have killed 140 people and stranded scores of trekkers. The Indian air force evacuated 80 foreign tourists from the popular trekking destination of Zanaskar Monday. About 500 people are still missing.

Flash floods have also ruined thousands of homes in North Korea; the Amnok River is at its highest water level in 15 years. The Red Cross reported Monday that some 10,000 people were squatting in public buildings in the border city of Sinuiju to escape the floods.

In China, 337 were reported dead Monday after heavy rains triggered landslides across the province of Gansu, where more than 1,100 went missing. In the county seat of Zhouqu, entire mountain villages have been swamped. Flooding has killed more than 1,100 people in China this year alone, wiping out infrastructure across 28 provinces and regions.

Mexico and the Southwest United States, meanwhile, has been suffering from the driest spell in more than 50 years. Officials have been rationing water. Reservoirs remain low, drinking water scarce, and harvests wilted. The drought has driven millions to the U.S. and left others hoping for a hurricane.

Diplomats met for a climate conference in Bonn, Germany earlier this month, for a followup to the Copenhagen climate summit. Expectations were low, and results were worse. United Nations climate chief Christiana Figueres called for "incremental" change, but the talks were, if anything, a step backward, leaving diplomats even less common ground for the the upcoming climate talks in Tianjin, China. Monitoring emissions internationally would threaten state sovereignty, China claimed. Developing countries retreated from emissions targets agreed to in Copenhagen, arguing the reductions should be mandatory for richer countries.

The world is largely waiting for the United States -- which derailed efforts to combat climate change by discarding the Kyoto Treaty in the early years of the Bush administration -- to act. The House passed landmark climate change legislation in 2009. But the Senate adjourns for the summer on Thursday without even voting on its proposal. There is little hope the effort will be revived when lawmakers return in the fall. Environmental groups are shifting focus from Congress to the executive branch and courts.

"We really don't have a name to describe behavior of this sort," Orr said of the resistance to dealing with climate change.

"It is criminality beyond any language, concepts or laws that we presently have. It's criminality that places the entire human enterprise at risk. And we simply have not been able to confront inaction that allows the entire human enterprise to slip into catastrophic failure. It really does beggar the imagination to understand why, given the consensus of the scientific community on this issue, why inaction was the order of the day," said Orr, conspicuously referring to the failure to address the issue in the past tense.

"A lot of effort is spent to try to figure out how to cleverly frame issues so as to appeal to people's self-interest. And I don't know that that's always the smart way to do it. I think the smartest way to do it is to tell the truth as best you understand it. And the truth of the matter is, for me personally, all of the events that you've mentioned are yet further evidence that climate is rapidly destabilizing. Would any one of those specific events have been likely to happen in the absence of the human influence of climate? I think the answer would have to be no to almost a vanishing point."

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A heatwave in Russia is sparking wildfires that are driving residents from Moscow and devastating the country's wheat crop. A fifth of Pakistan is underwater and millions are deluged by floods in Asia...
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Benover de Viros
07:46 PM on 08/28/2010
Why are we so reluctant to reduce our human footprint on earth. I used to ponder the question, "why does company x have the right to pollute public water like Lake Erie or the Love Canal just because they own land giving them access to it. What harm is caused if we conserve and end up being wrong about it affecting extreme weather. What is the alternative; let the few countries/companies/individuals continue to destroy our earth. They hide behind it being a right to choice, a god given freedom. Enough. Toxifying the earth is not a right. Toxifying the earth is not an element of freedom. If murder and stealing can be crimes against society so too can contributing to extreme weather.
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04:50 PM on 08/25/2010
Judging from the following graph, across the U.S. and over several decades the ratio of extreme highs to extreme lows in temperature has been increasing fairly steadily.

www.skepticalscience.com/nasa-giss-what-global-warming-looks-like.html
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MARYHOBE
Member of the tribe of man
09:26 AM on 08/24/2010
Scientist and historians have gone over all the wild variations in climate and have come up with probable causes for all of them; from the mass extinctions 65 million years ago to the fluctuation that was experienced in the middle ages, we have been able to trace a cause and effect relationship that is not certain (no absolutes in science) but highly probable. Our modern day climate shows signs of a significant move away from median temperatures and it shows a trend. One that is not in question by anyone; the cause, however, is. This is not surprising because if the weather is changing because of what we, as humans, do it will entail a host of changes. And it is not a secret that many are very interested in maintaining the status quo. Changes in the status quo can also be very difficult, and painful. The future will require us to make hard choices and it will be incumbent on all of us to read the research, understand the opposing points of view, and proceed to make the right choice for our children.
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Bryan Gray
03:49 AM on 08/23/2010
It is horrifying that we have to fight our own government to save the environment. Our environment, the world in which we live and work, is a mirror of our attitudes and expectations.
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Richard2
12:32 PM on 08/21/2010
Roger Pielke Jr., at his website, comments on the WMO.

"I am coming to the conclusion that there is something about the climate issue that makes people -- especially but not limited to academics and scientists -- completely and utterly lose their senses. The WMO statement is (yet) another example of scientifically unsupportable nonsense in the climate debate. Such nonsense is of course not going away anytime soon .

But because various unsupportable and just wrong claims are being advanced by leading scientists and scientific organizations, it would be easy to get the impression that on the issues of extreme events and climate change, IPCC science has a status similar to interpretations of Nostradamus and the Mayan calenders."
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lunarsnare
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04:45 PM on 08/21/2010
From Wiki
‘The IPCC does not carry out its own original research, nor does it do the work of monitoring climate or related phenomena itself. A main activity of the IPCC is publishing special reports on topics relevant to the implementation of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC)”

In a round about way this sounds more like a lobby.
I am leery of the intertwined bureaucracy of all these organizations.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
05:42 PM on 08/21/2010
Are you equally leery of any of the lobbyist organizations that deny climate science? If so, which ones? If not, why not?
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06:36 PM on 08/21/2010
Reed's question should be easily answered if you are the "impartial but concerned citizen" you claim.
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06:52 PM on 08/21/2010
Richard2, I suspect the subject you could really comment on with considerable expertise is how it feels to have sold out for chump change. Given your rapidly dwindling credibility here, you're less likely than ever to rise in your chosen profession, ya know?

Then again, why would you think that quoting the comments of a political science PhD, like little Pielke, Jr., on the credibility of hard science organizations is in any way meaningful?

Isn't Pielke, Jr. just another spin doctoring mouthpiece, like you, more or less? OK OK, maybe he gets paid more, but don't confuse this poli. sci. dweeb with his father, Roger Pielke, Sr., a professor of meteorology, who, by the way, believes in anthropogenic climate change and has said so repeatedly.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Pielke,_Jr.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
08:59 PM on 08/21/2010
Remarkable, isn't it, how Richard2s views align so exactly with, say, those of Exxon-Mobile. The general population can see for themselves that the climate is different. R2 however, keep marching along with his one note drumbeat. Never varies. Never seems to learn anything. Conducts his campaign with relentless vigor. But only engages on his point of view, never considers the majority.

This is the very definition of zealot. Here on this forum this is trolling.
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Richard2
03:35 PM on 08/29/2010
It is remarkable how consistently defenders of global warming quickly descend into personal attacks on individuals who dare to state their own personal interpretations of climate issues. Rather than chew on the thoughtful insights of individuals such as Roger Pielke Jr., or Roger Pielke Sr., they act like the school yard bullies that they were.
02:19 PM on 08/20/2010
"Sceptical science dot COM" refuses to look into the argument of the fact this carbon tax is based on a Satanic religion.

The Chicago Climate Exchange is owned by the foreign private banks of the Rothchild, the same Rothschild who ran a recycled boat for Greenpeace telling people they need to pay their carbon taxes to the Rothchild. The Rothchild also build masonic temples and have designs for the temple of Solomon for the Antichrist, even though many Rothchild are atheist, they still promote the building of these religious structures.

So while the faith in CO2 is strong, shouldn't there be a separation between church and state?

No mention of this argument on this site. LOL
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:59 PM on 08/20/2010
We also do not allow the promotion and propagation of conspiracy theories, including those about 9/11.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/p/frequently-asked-question.html#moderation
04:37 PM on 08/20/2010
But the Solar deniers believe you should tax an unproven global warming theory, err now climate change theory because their religion changes when things come into the light.
02:16 PM on 08/20/2010
"Sceptical science dot COM" refuses to look into the argument of the law of the conservation of mass.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

Its not there, but fear driven posts when we know carbon is only 0.08% mass of the planet a rare element and needed for life.

http://www.chem.wisc.edu/deptfiles/genchem/sstutorial/Text3/Tx33/tx33.html

Basic chemistry the peer reviewed journals of those seeking a carbon tax ignore.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:24 PM on 08/20/2010
Please, expound on that.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:30 PM on 08/20/2010
Never mind, I see that you already have, below, and DEAR LORD! Are you serious with that crap??

Ireckon: "Did the mass of carbon on the planet change? Nope. Its still 0.08% the mass of the planet."

Yes, and more of it is in the atmosphere, and CO₂ is a different MOLECULE than the petroleum and coal carbon chains in which that carbon was previously sequestered.

http://scrippsco2.ucsd.edu/program_history/keeling_curve_lessons.html
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06:40 PM on 08/21/2010
So, when was it that you realized you weren't going to be able to contribute to the betterment of the human race? Was it in grade school?

Because anybody who passed even high school chemistry can see that you didn't, or far more likely never even tried the subject.
11:08 AM on 08/20/2010
Moscow wildfires out by weekend: minister

Break in long heat wave helps firefighting efforts

AFP AUGUST 20, 2010

Fires in peatbogs and forests surrounding Moscow, which have made life a misery in the Russian capital since July, will be extinguished by Sunday, Russia's emergencies minister said.

"The fires should be entirely contained at the end of the week, August 22," Sergei Shoigu was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies during a crisis meeting.

"As of Thursday, 95 per cent of the fires in the Moscow region have been put out," deputy emergencies minister Alexander Chupriyan was quoted as saying by ITAR-TASS news agency. Flames are currently covering a surface of seven hectares in the region, compared with 56 hectares on Aug. 8, he said.
http://www.montrealgazette.com/Moscow+wildfires+weekend+minister/3420018/story.html

Nothing left to see here folks. Move along.
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Midnight Toker
10:00 AM on 08/20/2010
The Great Global Warming Blunder: How Mother Nature Fooled the World's Top Climate Scientists
by Dr. Roy Spencer, NASA

The Great Global Warming Blunder unveils new evidence from major scientific findings that explode the conventional wisdom on climate change and reshape the global warming debate as we know it. Roy W. Spencer, a former senior NASA climatologist, reveals how climate researchers have mistaken cause and effect when analyzing cloud behavior and have been duped by Mother Nature into believing the Earth’s climate system is far more sensitive to human activities and carbon dioxide than it really is.

In fact, Spencer presents astonishing new evidence that recent warming is not the fault of humans, but the result of chaotic, internal natural cycles that have been causing periods of warming and cooling for millennia. More carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not necessarily to be feared; The Great Global Warming Blunder explains that burning of fossil fuels may actually be beneficial for life on Earth.

http://www.amazon.com/Great-Global-Warming-Blunder-Scientists/dp/1594033730/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271759263&sr=1-4
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
10:42 AM on 08/20/2010
Oh no! All 97% of professional climatologists are surely revising their life's work as we speak, because of a book review.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm
11:10 AM on 08/20/2010
A cosmetologist knows more then a climatologist today. LOL

Keep spreading your lies thickly....now thats a foundation of success.
11:15 AM on 08/20/2010
A cosmetologist knows more then a climatologist.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
10:54 AM on 08/20/2010
Fumes, are you prepared to take questions on Spencer's book or are you basing your agreement on the dust jacket blurb?

(1) Why have you put "NASA" after his name? He hasn't worked there for years.
(2) How does clouds change the known properties of CO2?
(3) Why hasn't Spencer published these arguments in academic journals where it would receive peer-review?
(4) How do you know that the checks Spencer receives from energy companies doesn't affect his view?
(5) Does anyone who isn't receiving checks from energy companies agree with Spencer?
(6) When are you going to actually read this book?
(7) Do you blindly adhere to everything Spencer says?
(8) Don't you see a problem with uncritically cut-and-pasting stuff from blogs?
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:14 PM on 08/20/2010
Ha! Wouldn't that be interesting!

"Fumes, are you prepared to take questions on Spencer's book... ?"

It wouldn't be educational or even halfway true, but it'd be interesting.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
05:12 PM on 08/20/2010
* how do clouds
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Midnight Toker
02:03 AM on 08/20/2010
NOTICE (8/11/2010): Due to degradation of a satellite sensor used by this mapping product, some images have exhibited extreme high and low surface temperatures. Please disregard these images as anomalies. Future images will not include data from the degraded satellite and images caused by the faulty satellite sensor will be/have been removed from the image archive.
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zing!
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
09:29 AM on 08/20/2010
Why is that a zing? Historical climate studies favor terrestrial instruments and proxies. Please explain how a problem with some satellite sensors change the science of global warming.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
10:43 AM on 08/20/2010
Zing!
12:40 AM on 08/20/2010
Hand in all your old broken thermometers and burnt out light bulbs and ReedYoung will miraculously be able to heal them all by quoting old 2007 articles saying its from "because it's a corporatist front group website" and because of this, the lies will scatter into the darkness and all will be healed again? LOL
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
09:42 AM on 08/20/2010
Very little of what you say makes any sense.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:02 PM on 08/21/2010
trolling
11:38 PM on 08/19/2010
EU may have lost over €5bn to carbon-trading VAT fraud during 2008 and 2009. The EU's law- enforcement operation, Europol, is concerned that the fraud will also be used in areas like gas and electricity trading markets.
http://www.coolearth.org/306/news-32/rainforest-news-155/hackers-take-over-carbon-trading-site-1492.html

Yet the work diligently day and night trying to get joe public to embrace their CO2 taxes.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
09:33 AM on 08/20/2010
The theft of VAT isn't unique to carbon trading. It can be done with any traded commodity.
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lunarsnare
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03:11 PM on 08/20/2010
Yes but with carbon trading you are dealing with a fictional commodity most suitable for fraud.
This is pretty much a free for the bureaucrats and a continuous exploitation sans any accountability whatsoever of the EU taxpayer and is at least in part to blame for Europe’s exuberant taxes and bureaucratic fees.
2000,- and upwards just for a drive’s license.
Gas and energy/ electric about triple than in the US.
Heating oil shortages and insuring poverty.
$4,- a gallon for gas like in 2008 would be in paradise in Europe.
7, - is about the average.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:03 PM on 08/21/2010
trolling
10:00 PM on 08/19/2010
US Government in Massive New Global Warming Scandal – NOAA Disgraced
http://climatechangefraud.com/climate-reports/7479-us-government-in-massive-new-global-warming-scandal-noaa-disgraced.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
10:07 PM on 08/19/2010
Ireckon the owners of that website are remaining anonymous because they have something incriminating to hide, or something that disqualifies them from taking seriously, if we knew who they are -- nobodies.

http://who.godaddy.com /WhoIs.aspx?domain= climatechangefraud.com &prog_id=godaddy
Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.

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Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com, Inc. ( http://www.godaddy.com )
Domain Name: CLIMATECHANGEFRAUD.COM
Created on: 26-Nov-07
Expires on: 26-Nov-11
Last Updated on: 31-Aug-09
10:28 PM on 08/19/2010
Top Climate Scientists Speak out on the Satellitegate Scandal
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26603

By John O'Sullivan Monday, August 16, 2010
US Government admits global warming satellite sensors “degraded” - temperatures may be out by 10-15 degrees. Now five satellites in controversy. Top scientists speak out.

In an escalating row dubbed ‘Satellitegate’ further evidence proves NOAA knew of these faults for years. World’s top climate scientists and even prior governmental reports cite underfunding and misallocation as the trigger for spiraling satellite data calamities. Key flaws with five satellites undermines global data.

Most disturbing of all is that it took publication of my article last week to persuade the authorities to withdraw the errant NOAA-16 satellite from service. But as Dr. John Christy indicates, the real Satellitegate is not about one satellite. The scandal is endemic with comparable flaws across the entire network; the scandal is also that it took a tip off from a member of the public and the widespread broadcast of my article before one of the offending junk boxes, NOAA-16, got taken down.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
11:05 PM on 08/19/2010
Ireckon your other source is even sketchier.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Natural_Resources_Stewardship_Project
Bali open letter to U.N.
On Dec. 13, 2007, towards the end of the U.N. climate change conference held in Bali, indonesia, the Financial Post section of the National Post published an open letter to the UN signed by over a hundred climate change skeptics under the title "Don't fight, adapt" [23], along with the list of signatories [24]. The letter casts doubt on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) "hypothesis of dangerous human-caused global warming", and argues that current climate change is within natural variations.

In an accompanying commentary by FP editor Terence Corcoran, headlined "A new call to reason," Corcoran describes this letter as having been "signed by more than 100 specialists" and having been "assembled under Robert M. Carter, a professor at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory of James Cook University in Australia." [25]. Corcoran did not mention the role of the NRSP, nor the fact that Carter is one of the NRSP's scientific advisors.

In the runup to the Bali conference, an e-mail was circulated by the NRSP soliciting potential signatories of the open letter. On Dec. 6, 2008, a week before the publication of the open letter, the text of e-mail was posted at canadafreepress.com... The text has been removed from the Canadian websites, but remained for some time at bogatafreeplanet.com. [26] That text is now also missing...
11:31 PM on 08/19/2010
I agree, any publication that mentions the NOAA, Nasa or IPCC or peer reviewed literature from these groups, is pretty sketchy.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
11:40 PM on 08/19/2010
Corcoran did not mention the role of the NRSP, nor the fact that Carter is one of the NRSP's scientific advisors.

In the runup to the Bali conference, an e-mail was circulated by the NRSP soliciting potential signatories of the open letter. On Dec. 6, 2008, a week before the publication of the open letter, the text of e-mail was posted at canadafreepress.com... The text has been removed from the Canadian websites, but remained for some time at bogatafreeplanet.com. [26] That text is now also missing...
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
07:35 PM on 08/19/2010
This is not a matter of opinion. It is settled.

The greenhouse effect of CO₂ was PROVEN more than 150 years ago.

"Tyndall set out to find whether there was in fact any gas in the atmosphere that could trap heat rays. In 1859, his careful laboratory work identified several gases that did just that. The most important was simple water vapor (H2O). Also effective was carbon dioxide (CO2), although in the atmosphere the gas is only a few parts in ten thousand. Just as a sheet of paper will block more light than an entire pool of clear water, so the trace of CO2 altered the balance of heat radiation through the entire atmosphere."
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm

Post-1950, the only open question about causality hinged on measuring CO₂ precisely, which the Mauna Loa Observatory has conclusively solved decades ago. (Ibid.)

The globe is warming and the increasing atmospheric concentration of CO₂ is directly responsible. This is not debatable. The above is ALL settled science.

Now, are there any questions about specifically how the higher thermal energy, which is PROVEN to result from human CO₂ emissions, also increases both the frequency and severity of weather-related disasters? Nor is this is a matter for debate. Ask questions about what you don't know about science. Do not pretend to know better than all qualified professionals. That makes you look dishonest.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm
BlackbirdHighway
Brawndo's got electrolites!
09:22 PM on 08/19/2010
An excellent video showing in the most simple terms the heat trapping property of CO2.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8394168.stm
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
10:14 PM on 08/19/2010
Excellent. We need to get more demos like this in front of the public. People need to have a feel for the qualitative aspects of global warming before they can begin to get their heads around the problem, and this demo is a great start. I would think that models using dry ice as the source of the CO2 might be useful. Also, models with layers representing layers of the atmosphere might be good. Thin films of transparent plastic that don't absorb much IR would also be useful to contain CO2 and allow light from the artificial light source into the system.
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lunarsnare
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02:49 PM on 08/20/2010
If it is settled, the why do you still feel the need to chatter?
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:57 PM on 08/20/2010
Somebody has to expose you liars.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
09:04 PM on 08/21/2010
To clarify the point, and to counter the paid trolls.
03:50 PM on 08/19/2010
Just my opinion.

Big oil needs to be chopped up into bite size pieces.
(No more too big to fail, energy monopolies)
Their feet need to be held to fire for the environmental crimes committed for all these years all over the planet
They must be made to clean up their messes and restore the environments they devastated.
Oil as an energy source must be faded out a.s.a.p.
War, Hunger, Pollution, Poverty ……
Same with Coal and also Gas because of the fracing (hydro fractioning) polluting the water.
We can’t keep sucking stuff out of the earth to cater with outdated energy technology to an increasingly over populated world leaving carnage in our wake.

We’ve had the technology for while and need to implement it.
This will take a little time but…..
Putting oil people like the 2 Bushes in the Whitehouse has put us way behind.
Now we are wasting more time with Climate Hype.
This has to stop….and it will.
It detracts from pressing environmental issues, sucks the funding out of the above, and stupefies the people with this cooperate sponsored ( WE are changing the weather) foolery guilt tripping.
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SFTor
05:00 PM on 08/19/2010
Power, I might surmise that oil companies need to be pretty big to do the job we ask them to do. It's a rather capital-intensive industry. The way they get away with murder is a different story altogether. We need environmental legislation with teeth, and courts willing to enforce them.

Should oil be phased out as soon as possible, and sooner? Absolutely.
06:28 PM on 08/19/2010
Granted, I could have put this better.
By “ breaking them into bite size pieces” I did not mean mom & pop shops.
These are pretty big undertakings and also represent many jobs.
I meant that they have too much influence over the legislators
Closed meetings in the WH with Dick C.
Neither do I begrudge them or anybody making money, but they must also be held responsible for what they leave in their wake.
Like you said
We need environmental legislation with teeth, and courts willing to enforce them.

And I do think that we can phase it out, but it can’t happen from one day to the next.
Neither should the taxpayer be bled and made to feel guilty when the same legislators have not made other energy available for them in part to appease big oil.
From what I understand about 50% of fossil fuels in the US is used up by the military.
Their best customer …..and we are supposed to ride around in tin boxes like the Smart (silly) car?
And be deluded with that if we don’t the weather will change on our behalf.
No way man.
That’s absurd.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
07:23 PM on 08/19/2010
Do you ever make comments like that in the BP / Deepwater Catastrophe threads? Or do you just dump them as smokescreen in climate threads, to forge the appearance that you care about the environment while simultaneously denying the #1 threat to the environment, global warming and climate changed caused by CO₂ and other greenhouse gases? Remember, when you attempt these smokescreens, that anybody who cares to check your integrity can see your comment history for ourselves.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
05:05 PM on 08/19/2010
You were doing fine until you lied about climate. You probably just don't know what you're talking about, but what you said is beyond a doubt untrue. We are changing the climate. If you don't know that, just don't talk about it. Calling it "just my (your) opinion" is incorrect. It is not opinion. It is fact that human CO₂ emissions are causing global warming and more erratic weather patterns, aka global weirding. The Anthropogenic Climate Change Theory is not disputable. It is settled science. Deal with it.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus-intermediate.htm

Again, most of your comment is sensible. But what you're saying about climate science is not a difference of opinion with my opinion. You are dead wrong and don't know what you're talking about. Stop talking about it until you know what you're talking about.
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SFTor
05:10 PM on 08/19/2010
Hello Reed!

Thank you for letting me know I am dead wrong. Any other part of my intellectual life you would like to take over?
06:08 PM on 08/19/2010
You look foolish, buffoonish playing school teacher and grading my comment.
I’ll have any opinion I care to if you don’t mind.:))))

“ Look Ma, I can change the climate” has lost it’s luster after closer and more thorough examination of the so called facts and the people making these claims.