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Obama A Muslim? What Our 2004 Interview Reveals About His, And Your, Beliefs

First Posted: 08/25/10 11:20 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:30 PM ET

Obama Muslim

By Cathleen Falsani
Religion News Service

(RNS) Six years ago, I sat down with a young Illinois state senator for a lengthy interview about his faith. At the time, the fresh-faced politician with an unusual name was still toiling in relative obscurity in Chicago.

When my "spiritual profile" of Barack Obama ran in the Chicago Sun-Times, it was greeted with modest interest, mostly for the novelty of a Democratic candidate speaking at length about religion.

That all changed a few months later, when Obama, by then a candidate for the U.S. Senate, delivered an electrifying keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention and began an international meteoric rise.

Ever since Obama's keynote address, scarcely a day has gone by when I haven't received at least a couple of e-mails from curious readers asking about my interview with Obama. I thought such interest had reached its zenith during the 2008 presidential race when Obama was subjected to a religious litmus test by both the far right and the far left.

Silly me.

With the release of a Pew poll showing that nearly one in five Americans believes Obama is a Muslim (rather than the Christian he professes to be), and the president's comments affirming the right of Muslims to build an Islamic center near Ground Zero, I've seen a virtual tidal wave of renewed interest in that old interview.

To date, it remains the longest and most-exhaustive interview Obama has ever granted on the subject of his faith. Although Obama talked honestly about his "Christian faith and a personal relationship with Jesus," he didn't give pat, easy answers.

Thousands of pundits, from loud-hailers like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh to average-Joe armchair political enthusiasts, have unearthed the transcript of my 2004 interview. Hundreds have e-mailed me directly to share their conclusions about the president's spiritual predilections.

And this is where it gets interesting.

Depending on who is doing the reading, two polar-opposite portraits of Obama as a man of faith have emerged. Many conclude he is, in fact, a spiritual charlatan who says he is a Christian but who is actually something wholly "other." A Muslim. A Universalist. A secular humanist. Perhaps even, as more than a few have suggested, the Anti-Christ.

Still others look at that old interview and see the portrait of a man of complex, complicated, and a modern, modest Christian faith. They see a person of faith much like themselves, for whom traditional labels of "liberal," "conservative," "progressive," and "devout" do not apply--at least not neatly.

"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition," Obama told me. "I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."

My interview with Obama has elicited more response than anything else I've written in more than 15 years as a journalist. Why? That's a question that persists for me as a journalist and, more poignantly, as a person of faith.

Why are we so fascinated with the faith of celebrities in general, and politicians in particular? It goes far beyond an interest in what religious beliefs might tell us about the moral character of the leader of the free world. And it surpasses our national pastime of celebrity voyeurism.

In the case of President Obama, it is, to me, a wholly spiritual phenomenon.

The Obama interview is a mirror that readers hold up to themselves. What they see in it, and the conclusions they draw from it, say far more about the condition of their souls than the president's.

The curious and the malicious alike see themselves reflected in Obama's statements about his faith. Either they find a kindred spirit or a supernatural enemy, depending on the preconceived political and spiritual notions established long before they began reading the interview transcript.

They do not take the president--who has never publicly claimed to be anything other than a simple Christian--at face value. They believe their own faces, reflected brilliantly or grotesquely in the mirror of Obama's naked words, to be the gospel truth (pun intended.)

They see only what they want to see.

As I read some of the thousands of new responses to Obama's interview about his faith (and doubts) that were sent my way in recent days, I am reminded of something another Christian Chicagoan, evangelist Dwight L. Moody, said more than a century ago.

"Of 100 men, one will read the Bible," Moody said. "The 99 will read the Christian."

Moody meant it as a caution, not an endorsement.

(Cathleen Falsani is the author of "Sin Boldly: A Field Guide for Grace" and the new book, "The Dude Abides: The Gospel According to the Coen Brothers.")

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dsenbet
09:40 PM on 08/31/2010
I hope a day comes in my lifetime when an atheist can be a president of this country.
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logic123
God Didn't Make Man; Man Made Gods.
04:37 PM on 08/31/2010
No one ever questioned if George W Bush was a Christian and then everyone who was paying attention when in an exit interview with Cynthia McFadden on ABC when asked, "Is it literally true, the Bible?" he responded, You know. Probably not ... No, I'm not a literalist, but I think you can learn a lot from it, but I do think that the New Testament, for example is ... has got ... You know, the important lesson is "God sent a son."

Good thing he's white, or he would of had to explain away all those Muslim friends of his and his Daddies the whole time he was the President.
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William D Simpson
03:51 PM on 08/31/2010
President Obama is a lot of different things, but what he is not:

http://wsimpson.wordpress.com/2010/08/30/what-president-obama-is-not/
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logic123
God Didn't Make Man; Man Made Gods.
03:00 PM on 08/31/2010
"I'm rooted in the Christian tradition," "I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people."
Barack Obama was raised by his mother and grand parents in a Unitarian Universalist church and his answer copied above is a very common UU way of thinking.
I know because I am one myself.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/12/obama_from_unitarian_to_libera_1.html

I don't care for the picture this site paints of President Obama's church in Hawaii but I am surprised that it's got many facts on one thread.
10:38 AM on 08/31/2010
Why does this even matter?
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Salvador Doggy
hi.
06:04 PM on 08/30/2010
Quick poll. Two questions. Acceptable answers: (a) Yes, (b) No, (c) Don't know.

Question #1: Is Obama a Christian?

Question #2: Is Romney a Christian?
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blisster
Need more micro-bio fuel for my mitochondria
09:41 AM on 09/01/2010
(d) Don't care
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Eric in Ayden
"Every waking moment I'm alive"
07:32 PM on 09/02/2010
Both are Christians. It is not necessary for all Christians to accept you to still be considered a Christian. Mormons consider themselves Christian but most other Christians do not accept them as.

The best thing is there all based on fairy tales.
08:56 PM on 08/28/2010
The problem here is that many religions can claim a person- either by birth, or conquest, or posthumous baptism - regardless of what the individual claims to believe. In that sense some people see Obama as a muslim by birth. He may not practice it or believe it, but many will claim it.
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faithnj
09:50 AM on 08/30/2010
okay...you know why that is just ridiculous? Because the President's father was an atheist. If that's the case, he was born to what-- an atheist and an agnostic? Therefore, by birth, Obama was born an atheist, not a Muslim.
12:05 PM on 08/30/2010
Was Obama's father born to a muslim father? He surely wasn't born an aetheist. I think you missed my point. Which is that some religions will claim you either via birthright (jews, muslims) or via rituals performed in your infancy (baptism) or via rituals after your death (posthumous baptism) regardless of what you the individual claim to believe. Is it nonsense? I happen to think so.
05:52 PM on 08/30/2010
Well the only person I've heard call Obama a muslim was Obama. (interview w/Stepenopolis)
04:42 PM on 08/28/2010
There are 2 issues here, in my opinion.

First, 1 in 5 people believe he is a Muslim. I have seen this statistic repeated constantly for the past week or so, but apparently nobody asked WHY do they believe that? Is it from his policies? His ancestry? His actions? Any of these might have led people to that belief. I am not saying it should - just that it could.

Second, his comment to Cathy "I'm rooted in the Christian tradition," Obama told me. "I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people." This does not fit what Christians believe. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me." Christians do not believe there are many paths to the same place - they believe there is only one way to salvation. Whether you agree with them or not, it is not hard to see why they might not think he is Christian. This doesn't make him a Muslim either, but it would certainly open up other possibilities in people's minds.
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faithnj
09:54 AM on 08/30/2010
I need to re-read the interview...all the same, based on the quote that is presented, "I believe that there are many paths to the same place.." can mean many paths to God or many paths to Jesus. I really don't think there is a Christian alive who thinks we all came to Jesus the exact same way. Some were raised by Christian parents, in the church. Some came to Jesus after alcoholism or serious problems in their lives. Others come because of friend's or elder's examples. Some come after watching t.v. evangelists. Others come for whatever....many paths to the same place. So we really have to clarify what place the Senator was talking about back then, when he says there are many ways to get to the same place.
10:52 AM on 08/30/2010
The Catholic church has actually espoused a similar position over the last few decades. However, this is mainly a Unitiarian Universalist view, a church that Obama attended as a child. The most important point is that this is not a view held by followers of rigid Shariah based Islam.
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rory talbot
Former Dem but they r now wing of Corp. party
10:56 AM on 08/28/2010
Obama's not a Muslim. Like others in his Administration, he worships regularly at the temple of Wall Street (although I've seen him occasionally attend the First Church of JP Morgan Chase).
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logic123
God Didn't Make Man; Man Made Gods.
09:48 AM on 09/01/2010
Awesome post!
I loved it so much I shared it on my Facebook page.

Thanks!
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unami
sonic truth
07:52 PM on 08/27/2010
If President Obama was a Muslim -would it matter?
02:17 AM on 08/28/2010
yes
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Mortifyd
01:40 AM on 09/02/2010
WHY?
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mjeffn
Freedom's just another word 4 nothing left to lose
07:01 PM on 08/27/2010
Why do our leaders have to satisfy a religious test? It's like asking our society to give up privacy stalls in public toilets.
05:54 PM on 08/30/2010
Don't give Obama any ideas.
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logic123
God Didn't Make Man; Man Made Gods.
09:49 AM on 09/01/2010
Oh my, you are special....
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Eric in Ayden
"Every waking moment I'm alive"
07:45 PM on 09/02/2010
I'm sure you have been terribly oppressed the last 2 years.
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terragazelle60
02:55 AM on 09/03/2010
It is against the Constitution to have a religious test.

Why do people think that this President is a Muslim..because they can get by with being a muslimphobe..but a racist is a no no.

The people that think this also were the ones that caused so much havov about Pastor Wright...a Christian pastor.

They are stu....pid.
marilyn 63
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04:41 PM on 08/27/2010
you no they are not interested in Obama's religion. if that's the case why weren't the press and people on Bush about his Saudi king hand holding?!! and always hosting prince Bandar. and 15 of the hijackers were Saudi!!!! not a peep!!! this really is the new N- word
03:39 PM on 08/27/2010
Maybe we Americans would be better served if we considered the character and integrity of candidates instead of their religion. It's easy--just look at what they "Do unto others."
02:53 PM on 08/27/2010
This is a sideshow that keeps folks from paying attention to the unpopular controversial president Obama's failed economic polices.
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liberalchick
03:09 PM on 08/27/2010
Economic policies dating back to the Reagan years, the safety net of Wall Street and banking regulations continually unraveled, a complete banking collapse and it should have all been fixed in what 18 months? I'd say things are in much better shape than could have been predicted. But I also think we aren't willing to make the tough, politically unpopular decisions that will have to be made if we want to ever have a strong economy again.
03:17 AM on 08/28/2010
Oh I see now it's Reagan policies, what part of of the worst president in history is it ya don't understand about the unpopular controversial president Obama? Marxist policies failed in the USSR and their not working here. He does make unpopular decisions but they certainly are not in any way going to help the economy.
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Heather Plaggemars
10:13 AM on 08/30/2010
I agree the tough decisions are not being made because most of the American population are economic slaves to the big corporations who are the ones that really elect the american congress.
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faithnj
10:00 AM on 08/30/2010
I don't know...I don't think this sideshow is keeping anyone from recognizing America is still in a crazy, economic ditch. (Do you think those of us who are unemployed, or have unemployed family and friends, are truly distracted from this economy? When our stomachs are growling?) All the same, I think this religious sideshow is doing a great job of pumping up the Rethuglican base, and helping to get out the Rethuglican vote. All the same, G-d hates liars. The President may not be the kind of Christian some people want him to be; but he is surely NOT a Muslim. And aside from all this religious talk-- do you really think that the economic situation that came about after 8 years of GWBush can be turned around in less than 2 years?!?!? Craziness. You probably can't turn some things in your own life around in 2 years, nevertheless the entire economy of the United States of America, and the world.
05:46 PM on 08/30/2010
Obama has done more damage to the economy than any President in history in record time as well. He has made business so uncertain of what he'll do next that their not hiring anyone and who could blame them. Obama has no business experience whatsoever; I doubt the man could run a 7-11.
It's getting a bit old to Blame Bush for everything when the fact is Obama is a one man wrecking ball, just look around, the guy is a tool.
11:54 AM on 08/27/2010
And as Alan Alda's excellent character in the West Wing pointed out, he refused to talk religion when running for office. He cautioned those that wanted an informal litmus test that (paraphrasing), "If you demand a religious conviction, you'll get some honest answers but you'll be lied to far more often."

Brilliant. And I'm glad Obama is nuanced on this stuff. Anyone who isn't nuanced when talking about their faith, I'm left to conclude:

1) They don't understand the faith they profess, and/or
2) They're trying to yank my chain.