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Avigdor Lieberman, Israel's Foreign Minister, Pushes For New Settlement Construction Amid Middle East Peace Talks

MATTI FRIEDMAN   09/ 6/10 08:33 AM ET   AP

Avigdor Lieberman
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman

JERUSALEM — Israel's hard-line foreign minister said Monday that his party will try to block any extension of Israel's settlement slowdown, a move that could derail the recently launched Mideast peace negotiations.

Avigdor Lieberman said the Israeli government must keep its promise to voters that the 10-month slowdown, declared last November under U.S. pressure in order to draw the Palestinians to the negotiating table, will end as scheduled at the end of the month.

The Sept. 26 deadline is a challenge for the fragile talks launched in Washington last week. The Palestinians say they will quit the talks if settlement construction accelerates, but not ending the slowdown could potentially bring down the Israeli government. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has yet to say how he will handle the deadline.

"A promise is a promise," Lieberman told Israel Radio. "We will not agree to any extension."

"I promise that if there's a proposal that we don't accept it will not pass," he added.

Lieberman's Yisrael Beitenu party is a key member of Israel's governing coalition, which is led by Netanyahu's Likud party.

It holds 15 seats in parliament, making it the second-largest member of the coalition and giving it the ability to rob the government of its parliamentary majority if it pulls out. Other coalition partners, and members of Netanyahu's own party, also favor resuming construction.

In a sign that compromise was possible, however, Lieberman told the daily Yediot Ahronot that he would not quit the coalition even if he does not get his way.

"We will not leave or bring down the government. We will fight from the inside for what we believe," he told the paper.

At the summit marking the relaunch of peace talks in Washington last week, Netanyahu used unusually warm language about the Palestinian leadership and the chances for peace. But the Israeli foreign minister has been vocal in his pessimism.

Speaking to diplomats in Jerusalem on Monday, Lieberman said the stated goal of the talks – a peace agreement within one year – was unrealistic.

The Israeli government says construction in settlements continued during previous rounds of peace talks, and that building does not compromise a future deal.

Lieberman's party ran on a platform that questioned the loyalty of Israel's one-fifth Arab minority, and Lieberman, known for blunt and often unpredictable language, is perhaps Israel's most polarizing politician. A resident of a West Bank settlement himself, he has absented himself from active involvement in the peace talks, which are being conducted by Netanyahu's office.

Vice Prime Minister Silvan Shalom, a prominent member of Netanyahu's party, said extending the slowdown would pose a "huge danger" to the coalition.

"Within the coalition, there is a huge majority against it," Shalom told reporters late Sunday. He said the issue could only be resolved through negotiations.

Netanyahu is seeking a way to get through the Sept. 26 deadline without dismantling his coalition, alienating the Palestinians or angering the U.S. administration, which is backing the talks and has invested time and political capital in their success.

Netanyahu is slated to meet Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas for a second round of talks next week in Egypt and Jerusalem. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is also scheduled to attend.

About 300,000 Israelis live in West Bank settlements, among the territory's some 2.5 million Palestinians. In addition, almost 200,000 Israelis live in east Jerusalem, the section of the holy city claimed by the Palestinians.

The Palestinians and the international community say the settlements are obstacles to peace because they eat up land the Palestinians want for a future state.

The slowdown has cut the construction in the settlements, though the extent of the drop is the subject of disagreement.

According to official government statistics released last week, a total of only five new building projects were begun in settlements in the first half of 2010, compared to 673 in the first half of 2009.

Israeli advocacy groups tracking settlement construction dispute those numbers.

The group Peace Now says building has begun on around 450 new housing units since the slowdown went into effect last November, around 300 of them in violation of the terms of the freeze. Peace Now says those numbers mark a drop of about 50 percent in new projects.

Settlement expert Dror Etkes said government statistics show the number of units under construction overall in the first quarter of this year was 2,517, a drop of only 15 percent compared to the last quarter of 2009.

Groups critical of settlement building say if the slowdown is revoked now it will have had nearly no effect on settlement construction in the long term.

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Associated Press Writer Karin Laub contributed to this story from Ramallah.

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10:03 AM on 09/26/2010
First of all there has never been a stop to settlement construction.

Haaretz the Israeli newspaper says settlement construction is booming despite freeze.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/construction-in-west-bank-settlements-booming-despite-declared-freeze-1.265550

Israel is bent on fulfilling mythical promises made in the fairy story known as the. Bible.

In Israel Theocracy seems to rule over democracy.

In a Democracy one has to own the land before building on it ?
07:02 PM on 09/26/2010
You can't learn anything useful reading Haaretz.
There are much better rags on Israel...that tell the truth.
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Zutroy
02:22 AM on 09/26/2010
Disgusting, naked colonialism. The fact that the developed world is any less than 100% against this in every way defies imagination.
07:04 PM on 09/26/2010
The Palestinians are finished.
Their whole lives have been wasted.
They are simply violent people who live for blood.
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Zutroy
07:11 PM on 09/26/2010
Your racism has managed to repulse me even more than Israeli imperialism. Impressive.

Are you suggesting the Palestinians are flawed for not blindly submitting to the social ascendency of colonists? Tell me, how should they have reacted properly? Are you completely clueless to what goes on there?

If you were part of an en-masse displacement, and the rest of the world didn't seem to give much of a damn, what would you do? Judging from your irrational comment, you're probably subject to worse desparation than any normal Palestinian.
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harmlesstree
"We are a warlike people" George Carlin
02:26 AM on 09/27/2010
Yes invert reality by accusing those whose land you have stolen via the utilization of the very methods you accuse them of using!
11:56 PM on 09/25/2010
See the "Damage Control" article by Uri Avnery for a superb analysis of these talks ...
http://ofthisandthat.org/Commentary3.html
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theobserver4
progress is a process not an end result
11:02 PM on 09/25/2010
Why do we support this Israeli government? How is it pro-life to be looking forward to igniting World War 3?
04:35 PM on 09/14/2010
Right wingers like Lieberman give Israel a bad name, the same way right wingers like Hamas give the Palestinians a bad name. The right wings in both countries are trying to sabotage the peace process. It is unfortunate that the Israel-haters in this comments section falsely blame Israel for all of the Middle East's problems. The problems are being caused by the right wings in both Israel and Arab nations. The problem in most of the world is right wing ideology, not Israel.
09:47 PM on 09/25/2010
Its even more of a shame that Israeli supporters can never take criticism for the outrageous behavior, first the illegal violent murders of the flotilla people and the destruction of Palestinian homes day after day. Now they kill fishermen because they seemed to be heading towards Israel. I used to support israel and now i hate that country with a passion. As long as the jewish state continues its violent behavior, there will be more and more criticism. The history of Israel is more and more blackened by its Nazilike tactics.
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djonan
11:19 PM on 09/25/2010
I'd say Israel gives Israel a bad name.
06:14 AM on 09/10/2010
A SINGLE BI-NATIONAL STATE OF JERUSALEM WITH THE CITY OF JERUSALEM AS ITS CAPITAL

It is necessary to appreciate that whilst the US is the primary supplier of military and civil aid to Israel , the EU is its primary trading partner without which the state of Israel is not economically viable. (The EU is also, of course, a primary funder to the PA).

It is, therefore, the EU that holds the key to the conflict. It needs to act to avoid the increasing likelihood of global war. When and if it takes the required action then the UNSC can take the appropriate next steps to establish a single bi-national state which would subsume the existing state of Israel . Only then will there be a solution that brings enfranchisement and freedom to all indigenous peoples of the region, and a peaceful settlement to the conflict.

Obviously, there will be those, who will oppose such a solution but political necessity dictates an equitable solution now, not subsequent to further conflict that would be likely to end in widespread bloodshed throughout all the communities of the region both Arab and Jewish, plus a very possible escalation to encompass both Europe and parts of the US.

That is why it is essential for the European Union to act, sooner rather than later.

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JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:52 PM on 09/10/2010
No one wants a bi-national state.
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Longtimeliberal
06:51 PM on 09/25/2010
We must have a two state solution and Isreal has to stop buildinng for the benefit of the world.
07:07 PM on 09/26/2010
The wolrd can simply butt out of it.
Unless you think Arabs and muslims will simply go berserk...

It isn't Israel the is going to go ballistic.
your fear of Islam blowing a head gasket makes you demonize Israel...
07:07 PM on 09/09/2010
The great irony is that Lieberman, coming from Moldova, is very likely to be descended from converts to Judaism.

http://mondediplo.com/2008/09/07israel
JacksonJones
Absit iniuria verbis!
12:53 PM on 09/10/2010
And many Palestinians didn't actually live in Palestine much before the Liebermans. Is that alos ironic?
05:29 PM on 09/08/2010
That's right. The "freeze" was temporary. Just like their "peace" or "hudna"
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05:23 PM on 09/07/2010
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Luna C666 04:26 PM on 9/06/2010
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Observations Concerning Palestine and the Arab Nations
1948, CIA Office of Historical Review

Section 2, Long Range Disaster
"If boundaries to an Israeli State, any boundaries, had been set and guaranteed by the Great Powers, peace might return to the area. On the contrary, we have actually a victorious state which is limited to no frontiers and which is determined that no narrow limits shall be set. The Near East is faced with the almost certain prospect of a profound and growing disturbance by Israel which may last for decades.

(a) Instead of restoring the boundaries of the province of Judea as they were in 70 AD, the Israeli leaders now state freely, though usually unofficially, their demand for an ever-expanding empire. Their present possessions are regarded by them only as a beachhead into the Arab and Muslim world, a large part of which they intend to exploit. They are not prepared to live off what the land will yield as the Arabs do."
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What is 'abusive' about this again?

Other than the fact that it doesn't lend credibility to the 'poor pitiful Israel' line of excuses and is not MY opinion, but the professional opinion of the CIA in 1948?
Do you want more facts from this report?
05:55 PM on 09/07/2010
Yup, the CIA which concluded Saddam had WMDs. I'm very impressed by CIA analysis.
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Luna C666
07:23 PM on 09/07/2010
First off..not the same CIA, no one who was alive THEN is still active in the CIA now, it was OVER 60 years ago...

SECOND, and MOST IMPORTANTLY..the CIA did not believe the evidence it had gathered, the 'satellite images' of WMDs etc were analyzed by the DoD not the CIA, and the CIA never claimed to have direct evidence other than what we KNEW..which was that WE had given Saddam a ton of nerve gas etc. back during the Iran/Iraq war, nerve agents typically have a shelf-life of months, not years. All the WMDs the CIA knew about were long expired, you won't find a CIA report of credible evidence that Saddam was seeking or stockpiling WMDs..that was all invented by the DoD under Rumsfeld and the Bush White House.
CIA never 'concluded' Saddam had WMDs, that was Bush and Rumsfeld and Cheney's conclusion, based on hearsay evidence the CIA had gathered that it didn't even believe to be credible itself..evidence that later was learned was being funneled to the CIA by Iranian counter-intelligence behind Ahmed Chalibi..one of Bush's bestest friends.
"Mr. Chalabi's group has received at least $27 million in United States financing in the past four years, the Iraqi National Congress official said. This includes $335,000 a month as part of a classified program through the Defense Intelligence Agency, since the summer of 2002, to help gather intelligence in Iraq."

Nice try...
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Luna C666
07:33 PM on 09/07/2010
George Tenet and Donald Rumsfeld/Dick Cheney/DoD butted heads and HOTLY debated the issue of Iraq before the Congress was ever briefed on the WMDs, Tenet and Powell still highly doubted the evidence they were being told to present but followed orders anyway.

Anyone can attest to the fact that Iraq was on Bush's radar long before much of the 'WMD' evidence was even gathered, and that Bush had made his mind up to go to Iraq, for one reason or another.

It was Bush's conclusion not the CIA's, and no credible CIA agent ever came out and affirmed the evidence was credible and convincing, in fact more than a few CIA agents spoke out at the time against the move from operations in Afghanistan to Iraq..one of them got banned from Fox News for saying so on the air with Hannity. Saying it was a mistake to go into Iraq and it would hurt us in the long-run, to which Hannity replied "The USA can walk and chew gum" and the CIA analysts contract was never renewed and he was never asked to appear on Fox again..
But, I'm glad you listened well to the president when he was a republican and shifted all his Administration's blame from himself and his underlings to the agents at the CIA..which Bush Sr. was once the head of, I'm sure he has no pull in the agency NOW though, right?
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nk5otr
06:42 PM on 09/07/2010
This is analysis or opinion, not facts. Also, it is not clear that it is the CIA's own evaluation or something that was reported to a CIA employee because the report says "This is unevaluated information" and the source of the analysis is blacked out. But, I do agree that if the world had guaranteed and protected the boundaries of Israel, instead of watching Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq invade Israel, then much bloodshed would have been prevented over the years.
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07:24 PM on 09/07/2010
1. The Military Situation in Palestine.
The new state of Israel is strong in military equipment, finances, and morale, and possesses a striking power which could easily seize the remainder of palestine as well as adjacent parts of Lebanon, Syria, or of Egypt north of the Suez Canal. It is probable that the next military adventure will be to annex the Jerusalem area. The Arabs cannot successfully renew the appeal to arms; they lack unity, leadership, arms, and airplanes.
This is a striking reversal of the situation as it was on June 1 1948. Israel then was screaming to high heaven for a "cease fire" order from the United Nations, whereupon the Great Powers forced the first truce using explict threats to arab countries failing to comply. At that time the Arabs, assured by a treaty with Britain of continued supply of arms and ammunition, were on the offensive, had reached to a point 8 allies from Tel Aviv, and had cut to the coast between Haifa and Nakoura. With the truce and its stipulation that neither side should get military advantage of any kind during the truce, Britain suspended the military supplies to the Arabs previously delivered in accordance with treaty agreements. Meanwhile, however, arms procured from many sources - including more than fifty Masserschmidt fighters - poured into Israel.
Continued...
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Luna C666
07:25 PM on 09/07/2010
By the time the fire truce expired these massershcmidt fighters took complete control of the air and were able to disperse enemy infantry and to 'strafe' Arab towns and villiages just as before Dunkirk British and French troops had been rendered impotent by Massershcmidt planes.
Arab morale was further damaged by the success of British diplomacy in detaching Trans-Jordan and Iraq from the joint Arab military program, and by the battle defeats inflicted by Israel on Arabs in the successive seizures by Israel of Arab territory without regard to United Nations orders to retire to posistions heald at the various "cease fire" dates.

2. A LONG RANGE DISASTER
The establishment of the state of Israel by force, with the intimidation of Arab governments by the US and USSR, with the cutting off of British arms and ammunition (the Arabs' only source of supply); with ample sources for Israel of munitions and finance, the Israeli battle-victory is complete, but it has solved nothing. If boundaries to an Israeli State, any boundaries, had been set and guaranteed by the Great Powers, peace might return to the area. On the contrary, we have actually a victorious state which is limited to no frontiers and which is determined that no narrow limits shall be set. The Near East is faced with the almost certain prospect of a profound and growing disturbance by Israel which may last for decades.

-End

Sounds like a lot of facts to me...
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Mother77
02:22 PM on 09/07/2010
So, let's face the fact that there is no solution. We should just allow them to go at it. They just want to kill each other. Then, we will die, too. They will finally have their apocapylse and they will see their separate Messiahs. Planet Earth will be restored to it's own ways without the corrupt human cancer thriving and robbing it of it's natural resources.
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djonan
11:20 PM on 09/25/2010
There is a solution but it's too grown up for the children that develop policy in America. Borders are borders and need to be recognized. Israel needs to be put in its place and all funding needs to be cut off immediately.
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01:59 PM on 09/07/2010
Sometimes I think the best plan was the one that was discarded in 1942, namely the Madagascar Plan. That plan made more practical sense than the Zionist Haavara plan which eventually came to fruition. Think about it - a land mass twice the size of Arizona, no neighboring states, surrounded only by water. However, when the Allied forces took Madagascar in 1942, that was the end of that. And it's been a 60 year headache ever since.
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Jon Jony
03:51 AM on 09/26/2010
Earth to Pierre - try to live in the present
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04:01 AM on 09/26/2010
By the way Pierre; the only Madagascar plan was one concocted by the Nazis in 1938 (though they never followed through. That plan involved rounding up the Jews of Europe and sending them to Madagascar where they would be effectively starved to death.

You are one offensive person Pierre.
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05:55 AM on 09/26/2010
That's the first I've heard of the "starving to death" idea. Why would the Nazis go to the trouble of shipping millions of people to an Island just to starve them to death? I'm not suggesting that the Nazis were any kind of humanitarians but there is considerable evidence that their initial plan was to deport the Jews to Madagascar in order to establish a colony where Jews would be able to live (albeit under less than ideal circumstances), which is certainly better than what eventually happened after the Madagascar Plan was abandoned. Another interesting angle that is rarely discussed is the "Transfer Agreement" between Zionist leaders and the Third Reich, which actually saw cooperation between Nazis and Zionists in order to establish a Jewish homeland. It sounds far out but it is part of the historical record. The acclaimed journalist Edwin Black wrote a comprehensive book about the subject called "The Transfer Agreement". News story about the controversy surrounding his book:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCX62OpLggA
01:29 PM on 09/07/2010
Justtellthetruth, the occupation didn't start until the Intifada. Before the Intifada there were no checkpoints. There were no Israeli police in the West Bank or Gaza even though terrorist acts were being carried out inside Israel.

Before the 1967 war, Jordan destroyed over 50 ancient Jewish synagogues and buildings in East Jerusalem AND evicted tens of thousands of Jews who were living there. How about RIGHT OF RETURN for EAST JERUSALEM JEWS? Meanwhile, Egypt was operating out of Gaza, murdering civilians across the border in Israel. (Nonie Darwish writes about this because her father was the General in charge of this under President Abdul Gamal Nassar.)

Your condemnation and indignation is misplaced. You appear to be someone who simply wants to jump on a bandwagon of hatred. You haven't even done the research to justify your outrage.

How about right of return to the million Jews who lost their land and properties in the Arab world in 1948? Which are you, a supporter of Hamas' and Muslim Brotherhood's genocidal "final solution" of the Jews in the MIddle East that began in 1948, or are you are a fair-minded person seeking justice for both sides. So far you appear to be the former.
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02:21 PM on 09/07/2010
Elad Orian, an Israeli human rights activist, nodded toward the poultry barn and noted: “Those chickens get more electricity and water than all the Palestinians around here.”

Over 60% of the Ultra-Orthodox Jews live off government subsidizes which come from the American taxpayers. They don't work, serve in the army but only make babies and research the Talmud. The 25% unemployed Americans need the $30 Billion dollars in Aid we give Israel more than the 'poor Israelis' who are occupying land which isn't theirs to begin with.
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04:52 PM on 09/07/2010
Whataboutery at its finest.
12:34 PM on 09/07/2010
So you have No Problem with Hamas' position which they state openly and that Abbas is begun to voice, that,

Israel does not exist in their eyes and that ALL of the land, meaning all of current Israel, will become the new State of Palestine with No Jews allowed?
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Fred Ricardo
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01:09 PM on 09/07/2010
BOO HOO HOO, Poor Israel with 200 Nukes.
01:43 PM on 09/07/2010
So are you saying you have no problem with Hamas' charter and only purpose, which is to rid the Middle East of Jews?

Don't you REALIZE that this is WHY Israel feels it needs nukes in the first place?

When the Arabs put down their weapons there will be peace. The Israelis will stop worrying about defense. They have far better things to do with their lives, like play the violin and invent the cure for AIDS.
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01:39 PM on 09/07/2010
I have no problem with either side stating that they want a one-state solution -- which is the core of the jabberings of both Hamas and Leiberman -- pushing the conflict towards an unavoidable one-state solution.

I think that a two-state solution would work better, but a one-state solution is acceptable if the people in the region prefer it.

Of course, it will have to be a one-state solution with equality before the law, democratic government and a separation between church and state. Anything less would deprive at least some people of their fundamental rights.
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Fred Ricardo
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02:24 PM on 09/07/2010
Your kidding. Israel wants a religious Kingdom, worse and more oppressive then anything you have seen so far.
10:58 AM on 09/07/2010
Lieberman is a settler. A person who has, through ongoing violence, insterted himself onto land that he does not belong on, an act which necessitates untold suffering and degradation for millions as the result of the occupation the it necessitates.

Is it surprising that he is incapable of supporting peace, or even acknowledging the suffering and damage that his actions cause?

In fact, it is he and his fellow settlers who are damaging Israel. If they succeed in taking all of the occupied territories, then Israel will either be a completely isolated apartheid state, or they will become an actual democracy, with a Jewish minority and a Palestinian Majority, which will cause many Israelis to leave.

Lieberman and his fellow settlers are too fanatical and dim to see that THEY are bringing down Israel.
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11:14 AM on 09/07/2010
"A person who has, through ongoing violence, insterted himself onto land that he does not belong on"

Who made it up to you to decide where people do and do not belong? I thought it was racist to keep people out of areas on the basis of race or religion.
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Fred Ricardo
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11:21 AM on 09/07/2010
The West Bank is Palestinian land. You Israel spammers try to move the goal post every time you think you can steal more land.

Keep your propaganda to yourself.
11:32 AM on 09/07/2010
The Geneva convention expressly prohibits moving civilians onto occupied territory. It also expressly prohibits expanding borders through conquest. That's who decided that.

Let Avigdor move to the US. He can come and live here freely. If, however, he comes with an army and says that the place that he decides to live is under Israeli control and soon to become part of Israel, our response would make the Palestinian one look rather tepid. Suffice it to say, he and his settler cohorts would not survive the experience.

Now, Do you see how that works?
10:06 AM on 09/07/2010
People on this thread seem to be of One Mind in that they believe the land of Israel belongs to Arabs and that Jews have no business there. Let me remind you,

One quarter of the world is Muslim, 1.6 billion in 57 countries. It's called the ever-expanding Muslim world. Its borders are often sites of armed conflict, such as Kashmir, the Philippians, and Sudan.

Open your eyes. Are you really supporting the END of Israel, the only Jewish homeland, to replace it with the 58th Islamic state?

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAMAS AND NOW, ABBAS, PLANS TO DO.
10:39 AM on 09/07/2010
And what has your comment to do with Lieberman?
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Fred Ricardo
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11:22 AM on 09/07/2010
It has everything to do with the AIPAC propaganda machine that has screwed America for 60 years.
12:03 PM on 09/07/2010
New recruit, limited instructions.
10:51 AM on 09/07/2010
I have not even read the comments here, but I do not have to; Israel is doing ITSELF in. If they continue the settlements, they will eventually kill a 2 state solution, and you cannot HAVE all the land and NOT HAVE all its people (without killing them all, which is what I think a war with Iran would allow them to do; kill most palestinians in the fog of the regional war that would break out).

There will then be a majority of Arabs in the newly expanded Israel. Israel will then truly be an apartheid state (not just an apartheid system in the occupied territories, as it is now) and will lose all credibility, or they will become a democracy, in which case the settlers will have ensure that they are no longer a Jewish state.

If you have a problem with people's desire to see and end to the settlements, the occupation and the terror that they inspire, what then would you solution be to the problem I just laid out above? It is the SETTLERS, whose blind hatred and fanaticism are bringing down Israel.