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Obama's Business Tax Credits: The Business World Responds With A Shrug

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 11/08/10 05:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:35 PM ET

Obama Business Tax Credits

As word leaks out about Obama's new economic stimulus plan, which will ultimately cost about $180 billion and include an immediate tax credit for businesses, it's met surprisingly little support.

The business community's reaction to the plan has been tepid at best. The plan's been called too small, criticized for missing "the big picture" and for being an invitation to game the system.

Obama's plan would give businesses until 2011 to write off the 100 percent of the cost of investments in machinery or other capital expenditures. The move is is seen as an alternative to extending the Bush tax cuts for those making over $250,000 a year. As more Democrats begin to support those cuts, the president is losing political leverage.

Politico points out that Republican opposition to Obama's new business tax plan seems a little contradictory, since the party traditionally favors this type of tax credit for business.

But there may be reason to doubt just how much of an effect the proposal would have. Bloomberg caught up with a group of tax experts, including Ed Kleinbard, a former staff director for Congress's Joint Committee on Taxation, who said the credit is "an invitation to arbitrage. You're putting businesses in the same economic position as if you were inviting them to borrow money to buy tax-exempt bonds."

Bloomberg also points to a 2005 CBO report that projected that for every $1 of capital expenditures, companies can reap $1.88 in economic benefit. Still, faced with low consumer demand, businesses will likely wait until 2011 to use the tax credit.

Goldman Sachs, per the New York Times, projects the credit won't make a dent in unemployment any time soon: "To the extent it does have an effect, it is likely to pull forward demand into the quarter just before expiration (in this case Q4 2011) so the near-term effect should be even more modest (and indeed the effect in early 2012 would be negative)."

Republicans have branded the proposal with the dirty word of the Obama era, calling it "Stimulus II." Politico quotes an "administration official" who parried that attack, but seemed to acknowledge the business tax write-off was no immediate cure for America's job crisis: "They're proposals motivated by the medium and long-term. That's one of the important ways in which characterizing it as a 'stimulus two' really misses the point. They aren't necessarily a single legislative package. Many of these are permanent or long-term policies."

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As word leaks out about Obama's new economic stimulus plan, which will ultimately cost about $180 billion and include an immediate tax credit for businesses, it's met surprisingly little support. ...
As word leaks out about Obama's new economic stimulus plan, which will ultimately cost about $180 billion and include an immediate tax credit for businesses, it's met surprisingly little support. ...
 
 
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moose and squirrel
Very soon we would both be completely twisted...
05:52 AM on 09/10/2010
Obama should make this a take it or leave it offer--but no matter what the Bush tax cuts are gone.  threaten a veto, call it D.O.A, and otherwise make it abundantly clear that those failed plans will not be renewed.  
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moose and squirrel
Very soon we would both be completely twisted...
05:50 AM on 09/10/2010
fine, dont say obama doesnt want to help business.  
07:05 PM on 09/09/2010
It's the money stupid. Follow it. Follow the money of the big corporations like BP and Koch industries and Health Insurers to Washington and the Chamber of Commerce etc,. Look at Whitman in CA and see where her support is coming from. She will vote against ending her tax cut ans she won't share her wealth. Uh! uh!.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
12:49 PM on 09/09/2010
The more that I think about it, the corporations and other businesses did not ship the jobs overseas, they just started buying the products, parts, subassemblies and services from foreign overseas industrial and manufacturing companies, and then closed their US located factories and fired all of their US employees as allowed/encouraged by the US "FREE TRADE" laws that were created in the last 40 years by the members of the US congress that the US citizens elected.

US Businesses did not benefit from the US "FREE TRADE" laws that were created in the last 40 years because the US businesses still have to compete with each other on an equal footing as before to supply the US consumer's demand for the very lowest price possible for each product, but businesses most now compete at the lower price/costs of imported foreign manufactured products because US consumers will not pay anything extra for US made products. Businesses did not benefit from Free Trade Legislation.

I believe that the only financial beneficiaries of "Free Trade Legislation" were the US consumers who benefitted from lower prices that benefitted from foreign imported products that were made with less expensive labor and less expensive environmental compliance costs! I cannot think of any other beneficiaries, can you?
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
12:02 PM on 09/09/2010
Why dont more people take all of their life savings and start a business, and maybe hire some US employees?

Most of the businesses in the USA were created this way.

The "bottom line" profit is the only reason that any reasonable person has ever created or expanded any business.

The only reason that any business has ever hired anyone as an employee is to increase their "bottom line" profit.

Businesses that do not protect their "bottom line" fail.

There are no other reasons to be in business, except for profit.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
11:45 AM on 09/09/2010
With the current business climate created by existing US government rules and regulations, why would anyone start a business in the USA and then hire US citizens?

When the US government owned General Motors recently decided built it's new engine manufacturing plant, it located that plant in Mexico to take advantage of lower cost Mexican Labor and lower cost Mexican environmental manufacturing costs.

If the US government will not hire US labor, how can you expect US businesses to not hire US labor?
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
12:39 PM on 09/09/2010
Please change that last sentence to read:

"If the US government will not hire US labor for the companies that they control, how can you expect US businesses to hire US labor?"
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Peter007
08:40 AM on 09/09/2010
We've seen the Obama politician before. Its name is Fidel Castro and its goal is income redistribution. Anything else he says is BS.
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moose and squirrel
Very soon we would both be completely twisted...
05:48 AM on 09/10/2010
anything you say is BS.  you dont know your history.  and stop watching fox news-- it makes you sound like a simpleton
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John Mainstream
I'm a Clinton Democrat that is now an independent.
08:32 AM on 09/09/2010
Clearly, President Obama and the left wing of the Democratic Party don't have hands-on business experience. Even so, since the failed Obama/Pelosi economic plan has lost over 2.5 million jobs, it is time to change to what worked for Bill Clinton. Constrain federal spending. President Obama needs to agree to a plan to balance the federal budget by 2020 without raising taxes.
06:50 PM on 09/09/2010
Clearly the ditch that the GOP drove our economy into is more like a canyon than a ditch.
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John Mainstream
I'm a Clinton Democrat that is now an independent.
08:27 AM on 09/09/2010
The failed Obama/Pelosi economic plan has lost over 2.5 million jobs. It is time for President Obama to start singing a different tune.
06:53 PM on 09/09/2010
The Obama/Pelosi plan is not enough to stop the bleeding of jobs caused by those that ran the administration prior. Uh! Uh! They just managed to prevent the collapse and well done so far.
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rak6748
Love-Respect-Integrity
06:13 AM on 09/10/2010
Enjoying your fantasy land?
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John Mainstream
I'm a Clinton Democrat that is now an independent.
08:26 AM on 09/09/2010
President Obama = Incompetent!
06:54 PM on 09/09/2010
Obama did more in 8 months than ahem!! and GOP did in 8 years. Ahem!!
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moose and squirrel
Very soon we would both be completely twisted...
05:49 AM on 09/10/2010
Bush:  incompetent!!!
06:18 AM on 09/09/2010
PART FOUR

We need an entirely new infrastructure of people passionate about FREEDOM and against the ills of corporate bigotry in Washington, no more lobbyists, no more big money favors, no more multimillion dollar ad campaigns, no more debates where the GOP and DEM get to force out any other candidates that want to be part of the debate, no more back door and closed door sessions, no more political parlor tricks, AND MUCH, MUCH MORE CITIZEN INVOLVEMENT IN MATTERS OF STATE!!! Oh, and let's get rid of the naming of days and months for this cause, or that dead person, we spend multimillions for our government to sit around for hours and have members get up and say "I want to propose to name Sept. 9th Purple Ketchup Day"...all in favor?...It's absurd.

However, I digress; none of these things I wish for will ever happen because I and the tiny handful of non-brainwashed Americans out there do not have the financial muscle to beat corporate Nazi-America.

Oh and TEA, quit trying to make everyone think your something different, we know you are GOP in a wetsuit, so get over yourselves!
06:59 PM on 09/09/2010
Politicians should be forced to fund-raise like Obama did via grass root support. Taking away corporate money from elections is the single main solution to keep our lawmakers from being corrupt. Do we have the gumption to do this? Believe me, the rich control the masses like the Koch brothers do today.
06:18 AM on 09/09/2010
PART THREE

There are some things that foreign countries can offer that it would serve us well to help those countries profit as long as their workforce is earning a livable wage. While we are on the subject of livable wage, we need to GET RID OF MINIMUM WAGE. It is a stagnation in our economy, a full time minimum wage employee can not make enough money in America to live adequately. AND minimum wage puts small businesses out of business because they are forced to give up more profit than they can afford during hard times. Annihilating minimum wage will create a more competitive workforce at the lower income sector reducing corporate and company costs whereby products and services will in the long run cost much less, creating more buying power for the consumer and increasing profits to the businesses thereby allowing them to have more money to pay their employees a "livable wage".

Now a short piece for the GOP and TEA conservatives. I don't now how you can look at the state of our economy knowing the Bush administration allowed ALL of these blind fixes and bloatation devices to over-inflate our financial and real estate markets, ending up with a GOP designed stimulus packet which allowed gov't to turn it's head 180 degrees while the money was misappropriated, and still think we need to have a GOP conservative majority in Washington. Shame on you for being OH SO BLIND or stupid whichever you find most offensive.
06:15 AM on 09/09/2010
PART ONE

Wow some of you libs need to wake up. This isn't about siding with GOP, or DEM, or TEA. This is about what is so horribly wrong with this picture that has been wrong with this picture since the Bush administration orchestrated the first stimulus that was exercised by Obama. The money was suppose to be used to cushion the blow of some of this economic fallout. Yet the banks and the corporations sucked the 1.8 trillion dollar piggy bank bone dry and did not do ANYTHING to improve the economic situation, only prolonged the seemingly inevitable. Now here we are again ready to shove more free pork at American banks, corps, and financials, to keep the same bus drudging along. Every single one of these rich bi+ch politicians are sold out to the corps and the banks, commerce is about sucking the American public dry, then when the roof falls in figure out which country to go after next; because this one will be dead. Money talks BS walks, and all I CAN SEE is a bunch weasels running to the altar of FASCISM. Nancy Pelosi even stated matter of factly that we were going that direction, then tried to make it sound like a joke when she remembered the effing cameras were on.
02:36 AM on 09/09/2010
So nothing that can stimulate the economy is good. Go ahead people, vote for the GOP and let them fxxk this country up.
01:45 AM on 09/09/2010
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