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Greek Protesters Confront Government On Economy In Huge Protests

NICHOLAS PAPHITIS   09/11/10 04:54 PM ET   AP

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Coast guards lock the gate of the harbor as riot police take positions during a protest in Thessaloniki, Greece Friday Sept. 10, 2010. (AP)

THESSALONIKI, Greece — Greece's prime minister promised Saturday to lower corporate taxes to help revive the debt-plagued country's shrinking economy, while thousands of protesters marched – mostly peacefully – against the government's harsh austerity measures.

Greece narrowly avoided bankruptcy in May when European countries and the International Monetary Fund gave it euro110 billion ($140 billion) through 2012 in emergency loans. The money came on condition Athens make deep cutbacks – moves that have angered unions.

Prime Minister George Papandreou said the tax rate on companies' retained profits would be cut from 24 to 20 percent next year, providing what he called "a strong incentive for investments and competitiveness."

He also pledged to open up restricted professions – including truck drivers, notaries, taxi drivers and pharmacists – deregulate the energy market, settle on privatization targets, facilitate major investments and simplify business licensing procedures by the end of this year.

Some 20,000 people gathered in three separate protests in the northern port city of Thessaloniki ahead of Papandreou's speech. They were accompanied by some 4,500 police on security duty.

Minor clashes broke out as scores of youths attacked riot police with sticks, and were repelled with tear gas. No arrests or injuries were immediately reported. Police pre-emptively detained 20 people, including 13 from Spain, Italy, Britain and Portugal.

Previous protests have turned violent, and in May three people died in a bank torched by hooded youths who infiltrated a large demonstration in Athens – an action that shocked Greeks and deflated the protest movement.

Earlier Saturday, an elderly man threw a shoe at Papandreou, who had just inaugurated an annual trade fair. The projectile landed wide of its target, and the alleged shoe-thrower was arrested but later freed as Papandreou declined to press charges.

The center-left government says its daunting task of reducing the budget deficit from 13.6 percent of annual output in 2009 to 8.1 percent this year is on track, and has pledged to maintain the pace.

The transport ministry announced plans Friday to overhaul the state-run rail company – with debts of euro10.7 billion ($13.62 billion)_ by cutting payrolls and rail services. About 40 percent of its 6,300 workers will leave and be offered other public sector jobs, while the company faces private competition.

Finance Minister George Papaconstantinou said Friday that reforms would extend to other state corporations. "As a society, we have shown that we understand the problem," he said.

But amid a deepening recession and high unemployment, unions are angry at this year's deep spending cuts and consumer tax hikes, and fear new cutbacks. Heralding a new round of unrest, railway workers are planning strikes against payroll cuts, and some unionists have threatened to burn privately operated trains.

State revenues are increasing at a lower-than-projected rate, and the government has said it may have to increase sales tax rates on a broad range of goods, or raise heating fuel costs.

Papandreou vowed to crack down on rampant tax evasion, but at the same time said he would offer businesses the opportunity to settle tax disputes with the state out of court – and accelerate judicial procedures. Out of the estimated 400,000 cases pending in Greek courts, some 150,000 concern tax disputes.

Greek officials insist that together with the pain, the country's worst postwar economic crisis will allow key reforms to the bloated, inefficient public sector and encourage a healthier development model.

"We can change the course of history and make an opportunity out of the crisis," Papandreou said, adding that Greece would seek to draw investments worth euro44 billion ($56 billion) in environmentally friendly projects by 2015.

"Our choice to go from an economy that for years was based on consumption and credit to a productive model based on green development is of strategic importance," he said

Inspectors from the EU and IMF next week will review the progress of austerity measures required for the bailout loans, as well as on efforts to cut the budget deficit. The country is due to receive euro9 billion ($11.45 billion) over the next few days in the second installment of the loans.

Greece remains off the market for government bonds – with interest rates at 9.6 percentage points higher than those for the benchmark German 10-year issue. Instead, Athens is seeking shorter-term loans, and is due to auction euro900 million ($1.14 billion) worth of 26-week treasury bills on Tuesday.

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Associated Press writers Costas Kantouris and Elena Becatoros contributed to this report.

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Christopher Hull
Democratic Socialist
04:10 PM on 09/20/2010
So they are raising the taxes on the people so the people will have less money to spend in Greece and cutting corporate taxes so those same companies can then send these newly privatized jobs to China.
IF Greece really is going through a hard time and IF austerity really is called for wouldn't it make more sense to NOT lower taxes on anyone until Greece is in a better position. Using their own logic they should cut taxes on companies and on people and the debt would simply magically disappear!
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
03:17 AM on 09/13/2010
Whiners.

Greece is lost.
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10:39 AM on 09/12/2010
Line up all the Goldman-Sachs dudes that financialyraped their country and let the crowds have at them.
11:06 AM on 09/12/2010
Amazing. A country can spend itself into oblivion, pay public sector workers benefits it can't afford and somehow a US financial company is to blame.

Socialists will always blame the failings of their system on capitalism. They know that pure socialism doesn't work so they piggyback on to capitalism.
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02:34 PM on 09/12/2010
have you done any research on the bogus loans goldman was peddling to them ?...Hankpaulson really scammed them .
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
08:41 AM on 09/12/2010
Sounds like the business community in Greece is being taken care of while the regular people are getting screwed down.
07:46 AM on 09/12/2010
As a Greek who grew up in the country and completed her university education in the United States, I am often frustrated by the profound lack of personal accountability in the country nowadays. This is not to say that Greeks have no right to be frustrated at their own government(s) or international institutions, but there is very little discussion of the personal decisions and mentality that have driven the country to its current state. The desire to always push every responsibility on the government, to blame others for our problems and to complain about the state of the country without examining how our own spending patterns, work ethic, reliance on handouts and disdain of austerity in any forms is alarming for those seeking true social change in Greece. We tend to elevate our leaders to heroes overnight, only to knock them down when they disappoint us. It is time for some introspection and changes at the individual/community level, not just for protests and disdain of international systems.

More here: http://bit.ly/dlaF6X
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Quasi Libertarian
Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes it gets you
11:22 PM on 09/11/2010
Looks like Barry-World in 10 Years
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american2008
12:18 AM on 09/12/2010
No you ignoramus! Just like here in the US, it's a center left leader trying to fix the corruption and incompotence of a Conservative Govt. The Conservatives were ruling from 2004-2009, the economy was in ruin from 2008, but wasn't exposed until fall of 2009. Tax evasion and Rich abusing the system, while the Conservatives spent like drunken sailors. Sound familiar i diot? You cant expect to clean up years of fraud and waste in a year, just like you cant expect Obama to fix phony BS Capitalism run out of control in 18 months!
08:43 AM on 09/12/2010
Responding to trolls only encourages them and lends legitimacy to their words.
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Dbos
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09:00 AM on 09/12/2010
yep Fanned and faved for knowledge
10:56 PM on 09/11/2010
It is undeniable that U.S. politicians, the Federal Reserve, and crafty financiers on Wall Street are responsible for the underlying global financial crisis. As a recent Chinese economist stated, where ever there is wealth in the world, and in particular the U.S. (i.e., 401K, Real Estate, etc), opportunistic and deceptive practices by investment bankers on Wall Street eventually steal it while politicians look away.

The global reaction on the egregious behavior by Goldman Sachs which could have been prevented by U.S. politicians is almost universally negative. With equilibrium analysis, it is glaringly obvious that Wall Street is one huge Ponzi scheme. In addition, for years financial policies coming out of Washington, D.C. have been in the interests of bankers in New York and elsewhere.

The fact that U.S. politicians have been bought and sold for years is nothing new. However, there are ironies to this global financial debacle that are interesting. For instance, seeing Clinton and Bush beg for money from U.S. citizens and the global community for Haitian relief after the earthquake. It's also ironic that one of the Federal Reserve's mandate is to manage the flow of money and credit in the U.S. economy, much less the world.

One must ask what does Blankfein(absolutely disgusting), Greenspan(incredibly adroit at trying to exculpate through technical jargon), Rubin(convivial as long as it benefits him), Summers(the apotheosis of arrogance), Madoff(one big lie), Bernake(a pawn), and Geithner(sounds like a robot) have in common?
10:57 PM on 09/11/2010
I agree with your whole post except for the part where you say that politicians look away.. They dont look away, they fully participate and enable.
08:39 AM on 09/12/2010
Sooner or later, if the government doesn't hold them accountable, then the people will. It's just a matter of time.
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10:18 AM on 09/12/2010
Will there be anything or anyone left when that time comes?
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thegirlnextdoor
10:25 PM on 09/11/2010
Huge super in depth article in the Oct. Vanity Fair. This crazy situation in Greece actually involves much of the world since the world invested heavily in Greece believing the info regarding their economy that was coming from the government of Greece. Pretty crazy.
Cutting taxes is a joke since apparently everyone lies about their income and pays almost no tax and there is NO punishment. And they have the most bloated bureaucracy in possibly the world. Most teachers per student ratio with the worst scholastic results.
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patches12
09:06 PM on 09/11/2010
start taking away people's entitlements.... and you get violence.

we are slowly but surely headed in this direction

SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK - sooner or later you run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money
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deluk
hot mess...
09:28 PM on 09/11/2010
As Greece isn't a socialist country, your remark is nonsensical.
10:59 PM on 09/11/2010
The people protesting were GOVERNMENT employees that either got laid off or got their pay cut.
sampson2
Gardener
10:38 PM on 09/11/2010
The same old capitalist saw "sooner or later you run out of OTHER PEOPLE'S money".

Monies taken through taxes is not taken out of circulation but paid out for goods, services and to support social programs that "provide for the general welfare" of citizens - often those less fortuate than most. These monies are then recycled into the economy for necessities like food, shelter and clothing and yes sometimes for a few "luxuries" the make life enjoyable. An inequitable distribution of wealth results in more monies put into stock and bond investments effectively taking it out of circulation and thereby losing the multiplier effect from turnover of the money supply.


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HuffDave13
Only on the brink, we will find the will to change
03:15 AM on 09/12/2010
Don't forget... Roads, public libraries, parks... firefighters, policemen, soldiers, teachers etc...
09:48 AM on 09/12/2010
OK, so you take a larger portion of the pie and give it away, but that does not incentivize pie makers to make bigger pies.
08:51 PM on 09/11/2010
I am an American of Greek ancestory. I have lived for extended periods in Greece.

Although this does not make me an authority by any means, I do have some very strong opinions regarding Greece and Greeks.

Greeks are stubborn and snail-like in their ability to change. Most of them live in the past and make a game out of whining about how their history has handicapped them. Four hundred years of Ottoman rule...the Germans...the Civil War...the Albanians...the Greeks who have been forced to return to Greece (from Turkey, Egypt...etc.)

And of course, the Greeks make a game out of cheating...cheating the government of its tax revenues, cheating eachother, cheating tourists, cheating their employers out of an honest day's work.

The attention span of most Greeks is no great than a gnat. They don't grasp the concept of hard work over a long period of time resulting in gains. They want instant gratification.

Greeks with any ambition or brains leave Greece. Those Greeks are in America, Australia and Europe working hard and making something of their lives and the lives of their families.

Greece is a hopeless mess.
09:34 PM on 09/11/2010
that is simply not true ...i know many in Greece who have worked very hard and its not fair to paint with such a broad brush, My wife is Greek and came to the US , but her family there are all hard workers and have an attention span probably longer than yours - btw ..im an Australian from Melbourne and see that the parents worked very hard but the boys are always mommies boys and i see the same thing you refer to in Greece ..in Melbourne
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09:58 PM on 09/11/2010
I'm gr.eek-am.erican. Or I was born here to gr.eek immigrants with a large portion of my family still living there. Of those that still live there...don't worry they laugh at us more than we laugh at them. I get this every time I see them. I had your opinions (except for the attention span bit) when i was a boy. But now i'm a man and realize that what their doing...the so called l.yi.ng, chea.ting, and steal.ing...is no different from what happens over hear except for the fact that they don't hide it from you. In a.me.ri.ca, especially the g.ov..t, people like to build a fa.c.ade of pr.oduct.ivity and w.ea.lth...but we all know the real truth.

All that stuff happens here man, but if you don't look for it you won't see it 'cause am.e.ric.ans actually take time to hide it. In gr.ee.ce, and elsewhere, there not ashamed 'bout it. My uncle once told me in a visit that here people live to work, and in gre..ec.e people work to live. I think we should take more of there advice.

I would think twice about that attention span remark 'cause you are gr.e.ek yourself after all.
08:06 PM on 09/11/2010
Greece is the warm up act for what will be happening here in the U.S.
http://www.iplanretirement.com/retirementblog/greek-retirement/

The Budget Deficit Commission will recommend raising the retirement age to 70. Congress will vote and pass the commission's recommendation in a special session right before Christmas. We have two months to save Social Security.
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Tsakonas
Architect
08:28 PM on 09/11/2010
Greece's problems are way different than ours. In fact, our economic irresponsibility had a direct effect on their tourism and shipping based economy. They aren't affecting us, but we affect them. The Euro adjustment has been tough on the less robust members.
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09:48 PM on 09/11/2010
If there are minimal gainful employment opportunities for people in their mid fifties now, those who need to work until they are 70 are in for a world of hurt.
Gives new meaning to the prophetic suppositions surrounding the year 2012, doesn't it?
sampson2
Gardener
10:51 PM on 09/11/2010
Good observation about finding meaningful employment for those over 50.

I keep hearing about how the retirement age must be raised because we are expected to live longer. How nice that our gains in life expectantcy was all so we could work longer instead having a few more years to enjoy the fruits of our labor. I hope the demonstrations in Greece and France succeed and their people continue to enjoy the way of life they have developed.
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Tsakonas
Architect
08:02 PM on 09/11/2010
When Greece switched to the Euro, the people were getting paid equivalent wages, but the cost of everything quadrupled. Consumer spending plummeted and they had to rely on post 9-11 tourism for income. The kick in the yarbles was their #2 industry, shipping, was plagued by pirates and our slow consumer spending. The last major reason they've had so many problems is their illegal immigration problems. They've had Albanians, Romanians, and other E Euros taking jobs and killing wages which further hurts consumer spending. Our Latino invasion pales in comparison. Good luck fencing off 1000s of islands.
07:33 PM on 09/11/2010
I certainly do not blame the protesters over there in Greece, they know the difference between chicken salad and chicken scat, they know that their government is hosing them so that the fat cats get fed. I wish the sheeple in the USA would show the same intestinal fortitude, instead of rolling over and having misguided anger at the unions.
sampson2
Gardener
10:54 PM on 09/11/2010
Thanks for the posting. Fanned & Fav'd
07:23 PM on 09/11/2010
The problem is not deregulated markets. The problem is unregulated bureaucracies and governments.
09:37 PM on 09/11/2010
No, the problem is deregulated markets, corrupt governments, and dirty financial institutions like Goldman Sachs.
sampson2
Gardener
10:57 PM on 09/11/2010
You are right on. "thinkforasecond" obviously hasn't .
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ewickslaw
07:15 PM on 09/11/2010
What is lost is that Goldman Sachs was complict in the Greek crisis by assisting the Greek government cook their books so that Greece could join the EU. To add fuel to the fire the current Greek government hired a former Goldman Sachs official as its chief financial officer.
sampson2
Gardener
11:03 PM on 09/11/2010
Hopefully the Greeks have a process by which to change their government. After hiring a Goldman Sachs official as CFO they deserve whatever happens.