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George Soros: U.S. Economy Is 'Blah' And China's Rise Is 'Phenomenal'

Huffington Post   First Posted: 09/15/10 06:34 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:40 PM ET

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Billionaire investor George Soros began his Wednesday morning remarks, which spanned a broad range of topics on the global economy, with a pithy summary of the U.S. financial situation.

"If I had to sum it up in one word, I would say 'blah,'" Soros said in a hour-long talk with Reuters global editor-at-large Chrystia Freeland. "In other words, it may slip into double-dip, or it may not. But it's going to slow down."

(To see a full video of Soros's remarks, check out this video from Reuters.)

He said it's too early to abandon fiscal stimulus, arguing that the 2009 legislation has been under-appreciated. "It's a counter-factual, because you don't know what it would have been if he [President Obama] hadn't done it," Soros said. "The trouble with a confidence-multiplier is that if reality doesn't live up to your expectations, then confidence turns to disappointment. And that's where we are today."

The thrust of the talk, though, was the rest of the world. China, Soros said, has emerged as the new "motor" of the world economy. Whereas U.S. consumers were the motor before the crisis, Soros said, now the Chinese economy, though "a smaller motor," is what's driving global markets.

"China is a great winner, rising very rapidly because the west is sinking," he said. "The shift of power is phenomenal. I have not seen anything like it. It is difficult to find a parallel. For the rise of a new power, it takes decades, and it's happening here in a much shorter time."

"Today I would say that the Chinese currency is the strongest currency in the world, except you can't own it," he continued. The Chinese government has placed controls on its currency to make sure it doesn't appreciate in value, ensuring that Chinese exports, which have vaulted the country to its current position, remain attractive to the rest of the world.

"If China liberalized, the Chinese currency would actually replace to a large extent the dollar as the store of value," Soros explained. "But they don't want that, because that would destroy the machine that has made them so successful."

He was bullish on the developing world as a whole, citing India and Brazil, along with China, as leaders. "That is the great hope, that the developing world develops faster [than the developed world]," he said. "And that is the positive side of the current situation."

"The so-called 'west' is under pressure. And you include Japan in that," he continued. "And the rest of the world actually makes up for it. That is reason to believe we'll get through this, and it's not going to be such a dismal scenario."

On gold, which Tuesday saw a record high, Soros was more skeptical. Although he called it the "only actual bull market currently," he said gold is "the ultimate bubble, which means it may be going higher, but it's certainly not safe, and it's not going to last forever."

(For a full video of Soros's remarks, check out this video from Reuters.)


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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
12:46 AM on 09/18/2010
Soros seems to have a chrystal ball when it comes to economic issues.  I wish I had one-tenth his understanding of these complex currency and financal issues.
08:12 PM on 09/17/2010
You know, I'm getting really bloody tired of all of this "China is the Future" and "The U.S. is going down" crap. Foreign direct investment (FDI) is a coward. One financial earthquake in Asia will send massive amounts of money fleeing to European central banks and the Fed. It happens all the time in the developing world, and China is the biggest bubble economy in history. Why else is gold hitting an all time high when money could be chasing Chinese investments? Some investors have seen the light and know what kind of financial crud-storm is right around the corner.
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09:33 AM on 09/17/2010
We did it to ourselves by letting our businesses take too much of our money out of our country. B
05:41 AM on 09/17/2010
One of the true great vultures in the financial industry.
11:42 PM on 09/16/2010
I never understood the right-wing hatred for Soros. He was anti-communist funding dissidents all over the Eastern Bloc and he is an avowed anti-fascist having lived through World War II in Hungary and seeing the atrocities of the Nazis and Arrow Cross party which targeted Jews like him. He is also a billionaire in finance and self-made.

But that never stops them in the way of facts.
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realpolitic
GOP is full of sound and fury, signifying nothing!
12:47 AM on 09/18/2010
I don't understand their hatred of him either. He is a self-made billionaire who speaks on the behalf of the middle class and poor and I guess there lies their hatred in a nutshell.
02:50 PM on 09/18/2010
There is nothing more a charlatan hates than somebody who reveals them as a fraud. The problem for Right Wingers is that George Soros has a huge amount of credibility in a society where money is the arbitrator of value. And the fact that Soros has actually made huge amounts of money because he understands the world as it really is enrages the Right. It makes their lies that much more difficult to propagate. So they do what they are experts at. Smear him in any way they can. Of course, only the ignorant and stupid believe these lies.
10:40 PM on 09/16/2010
The evil, George Soros? OMG. . . Let's take it from him.
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xanas
libertarian, voluntarist, anarchist
06:43 PM on 09/16/2010
I should make it clear that I'm not referring to the GDP, yes, China's GDP will grow, that has nothing to do with individual wealth. If we all collectively wreck our cars tomorrow en masse the GDP will go up tremendously, but we will all have no car and a huge debt to finance a replacement or that can't be spent elsewhere. GDP is a terrible measure of wellbeing and wealth.
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xanas
libertarian, voluntarist, anarchist
06:41 PM on 09/16/2010
Soros, please invest all your money in China. I guarantee you'll have a great investment...... really. You'll be able to spend more promoting your socialist ideas/etc.

(I think he knows better, but.. if he doesn't he's got another thing coming if he's actually investing money over there. They have huge demographic issues, at least one entire city worth of homes that are unoccupied that they've built, etc. That place is not going uphill anytime soon, not until they learn to stop directing the economy and to start letting it work. )
03:55 PM on 09/16/2010
So if we would just manipulate our currency, allow rampant counterfeiting of Chinese goods, protect our industries from competition, have no regulations so we could substitute cheap toxic substances in the products, and make sure our workers have no rights, maybe we could become "Phenomenal" too. Seems like a high price to pay.. Free Trade leaves out the people who make the goods that make the trading possible in the first place. How about a discussion on Fair Trade? Why does it have to be a race to the bottom? Seems we were a more prosperous nation before the free trade policies came along. Who benefited from this?
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xanas
libertarian, voluntarist, anarchist
06:38 PM on 09/16/2010
You're way off base. Our wealth has increased tremendously due to free trade in the past 2 centuries. Could you own a computer in 1950? Or an iPhone? Did we have so much food that the country had an obesity problem at large?

If you look at those industries with the most regulated industries with protectionist trade policies you'll find the industries that are getting worse. If you look at those areas left mostly to free trade, you'll find the lowest prices and highest growth.
09:28 AM on 09/16/2010
China has been at economic war with the US for years. If only Washington would takes this as serious as China we might have a chance of bouncing back. Men like Soros could not care less about the US economy a long as they are making money. The politicians of Washington don't care either. Washington politicians and men like Soros are running this country into the ground.
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07:31 AM on 09/16/2010
If Mr.Soros cannot see the nation that surrounds him -- a nation bulging with infrastructure, resources, transportation, (briefly) shuttered factories, and hundreds of millions of workers with very high taste -- then he needs to get out of the way of the people who do.

China's "rise" is ephemeral.

Well, of course, "China as a Nation" is anything BUT ephemeral, but the "economic (sic) activity (sic)" that these folks are talking about definitely IS.

When you hook the poles of two large batteries together ... yep ... that wire's gonna get too hot to touch. The insulation's gonna burn right off. But ... don't convince yourself that you have just invented a new and inexhaustible source of heat. Don't reach for the marshmallows and tell yourself, "take thine ease, o my soul."

'Cuz the folks who DO know what to do here, and how to make vast, REAL fortunes here ... are gonna squash you flat as they roll over in their shiny new American-made cars ("best in the world! Again.").
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04:56 AM on 09/16/2010
Did George naked short our economy?
09:45 PM on 09/16/2010
He is double betting with paper money. It is free anyway.

Please think deeper. There is a tightly knit group of people who hops from one host to another, feasting on until the host is dry. Soro is one of these bed bugs you encountered in NY city. He hops from one bed to another and keeps on sucking.

Cheer! Double down and good drinking.
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04:25 AM on 09/16/2010
Yet ANOTHER terrible cost of the Blunder of IRAQ....and Afgan...

The US or any democracy can only FOCUS on so much....so besides the incredible
costs of Iraq.....with interest over the next 30-40 years it will add up to WAY over
$ 10,000 for every person or child in the US $$$$$$$.....it also distracts us and
our politicians from the most important issues....like JOBS !

For the last 20+ years DC should have been FOCUSED on UNFAIR trade and how
to Fight aggressively.....from Japan to China...

..and yet, especially with the nutty
right wing trash talk and hate, we end up spending more time on taking rights
from women, giving more tax breaks to the rich [as if they needed it....I think rich
means you have Plenty $$$..], worried about prayer in schools [ heck, I prayed
for good grades all the time...], what people do in their own bedrooms, or
the so-called liberal media, when conservatives have always owned almost
all the newspapers, TV, radical radio, and it's getting worse......
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07:38 AM on 09/16/2010
Yep, "billions of dollars were spent." And the money that gets spent comes right back ... to the folks who authorized the spending. The opium comes back and gets turned into oxycontin, which is sold again. The lithium mines that are seized make batteries for your electronic toys, and that money, too, goes straight into the pockets of the lawmakers and the well-connected.

You need a job ... but only enough of a job to force you to pay 9000% (that's not a typo) interest rates to the pawnshop ... owned, you guessed it, by a bank. You need a job, but one that pays low enough that you're so desperate and so afraid of losing that job that you'll work for less and less and less. And so, more money is driven ... into the pockets of the lawmakers and the well connected.

It's called "crime," you see. It's easy to understand crime that has one victim. This is crime, perpetrated by a few thousand people, with 310 million victims in the United States ... crime that is looking to expand its reach to victimize billions more throughout the planet.

It's "crime" that is founded and established and watered by exactly one thing: Greed. Specifically, "bribery." (Otherwise known as "lobbying," "campaign contribution," or "corporate freedom of speech.") The ancient principle that says that there are men and women out there who build their existence around "the love of money."
11:39 PM on 09/16/2010
It is only a crime if it is illegal on the books and enforceable. Otherwise it is sick joke.
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12:58 AM on 09/16/2010
THIS MUST BE TROLL APPRECIATION NIGHT!

A story on their favorite irrational target: George Soros.

A self made man. An anti-communist. And a progressive. Oh, that last part- they hate that.

HAVE FUN UNDER-BRIDGE DWELLERS.
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04:10 AM on 09/16/2010
agree...
09:42 PM on 09/16/2010
George is not a self made man. He is a proxy of the money printing franchise. He is the one doing the boring money laundry through complex financial mechanisms.
11:24 PM on 09/15/2010
oh really gerogey? U r funding to tear down this economy you criminal fraud!