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Tea Party Movement Rift: Leaders Debate Whether To Push Social Issues Along With Fiscal Ones (VIDEO)


First Posted: 09/17/10 01:25 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:40 PM ET

UPDATE: In an afternoon session, former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum also stressed that social issues need to be pushed along with economic ones. WATCH:

Tea Parties and condemnation of excessive government spending were front and center at the 2010 Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C. on Friday, with the audience excited on the heels of Christine O'Donnell's win in Delaware's GOP Senate primary. But what was different from many other Tea Party gatherings was the infusion of religious "values" rhetoric and the belief that in order to succeed, the movement must aggressively embrace and push for social issues, in addition to the fiscal ones that attract the most attention.

One of the morning's most popular speakers was Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), who has been heralded as a "kingmaker" in the media for the success of several of his candidates -- including O'Donnell, Rand Paul in Kentucky, and Sharron Angle in Nevada -- in trouncing the Republican establishment-backed picks.

"We've seen the power shift from Washington out to the people," DeMint said to audible "amens." "It's supposed to be a government of and for and by the people. It's happening now, and it's got a lot of people in Washington scared. It's changing things. Thanks to you."

DeMint then devoted the rest of his speech to refuting the idea that the conservative movement should focus on fiscal issues rather than social ones. "I hear regularly as I travel around this country, someone will tell me, 'I'm a fiscal conservative conservative, but not a social conservative.' I want to straighten him a little bit this morning, because the fact is, you cannot be a real fiscal conservative if you do not understand the value of a culture that's based on values," he said to loud applause.

To make his case, he said that without strong Judeo-Christian values, the American public becomes dependent on the government. "When you have a big government, you're going to have a little God," said DeMint. "You're going to have fewer values and morals, and you're going to have a culture that has to be controlled by the government. But when you have a big God, you're going to have a responsible and capable people with character to control themselves and lead their own lives. And you can't have a little God that promotes freedom and allows people to keep more of their own money, and a government that's not bankrupt. A government that's not bankrupt. We're talking about fiscal issues."

Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) started off with a joke that established her Tea Party bonafides, saying she prefers Tea Parties to the Washington, D.C. "wine and cheese" parties. She then, however, launched into a discussion not of fiscal issues, but of the right to life, as enshrined in the Declaration of Independence (which she put up on the large screen in the ballroom of the Omni Shoreham Hotel). Responding to the wave of Tea Party victories, Bachmann echoed DeMint and said, "People are reclaiming their inalienable rights as given to them by the almighty God. ... Thou shalt not covet what does not belong to us. It isn't our values, our shared timeless values, that have changed, is it? It's our leaders that have changed."

Even Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), who is known more for being a budget hawk than a social warrior, refuted the notion by some Republicans who want to put aside social issues for now. "We must recognize that our present crisis is not merely economic and political, but moral," he said, adding, "A political party that would govern this great nation must be able to handle more than one issue a time. We must focus on our fiscal crisis, and support our troops. We must work to create jobs, and protect human life and defend traditional marriage."

The rhetoric by these conservative leaders at the Values Voter Summit is a marked contrast to the message that many of their allies -- including Tea Partiers -- have been trying to get out. To be sure, social issues have always been on display at Tea Parties. There are not only signs about being taxed enough already, but ones about undocumented immigration, President Obama's citizenship and the right to life. Additionally, many of the Tea Parties' favorite candidates are making waves more for their positions on abortion or even masturbation than their views on economic policies. The discussion over these issues and how much to embrace them, however, seems to be increasingly coming to the front of the discussion and has the potential to cause a schism in the movement.

FreedomWorks Chairman Dick Armey recently told reporters that the movement was not placing a priority on social issues. CEO Matt Kibbe said that the movement has a "diversity of opinion" on these policies and was therefore focusing on "what we all agree on" -- reducing the size and scope of government. Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R), who is also considered a 2010 presidential contender, called for a temporary "truce on the so-called social issues" in order to unite around fiscal ones.

"We should be creating the biggest tent possible around the economic conservative issue," Ryan Hecker, the organizer behind the Tea Party's Contract From America manifesto, told The New York Times. "I think social issues may matter to particular individuals, but at the end of the day, the movement should be agnostic about it. This is a movement that rose largely because of the Republican Party failing to deliver on being representative of the economic conservative ideology. To include social issues would be beside the point."

This debate played out on National Public Radio on Sept. 16. Toby Marie Walker of the Waco Tea Party said that her group and many of the national Tea Party organizations make an attempt to stay away from social issues. "[R]ight now, the Tea Party is about the economy," she said. "And while the social issues on a personal level are important to a lot of our members, we stay away from those issues because they're so divisive. We believe that those are other groups and we applaud them, and when people ask about pro-life issues, we send them over to Pro-Life Waco or some of the other groups." Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association countered that the movement will start losing members if it doesn't address social issues, such as the "homosexual agenda." "And that's why I think the Tea Party movement is no longer... going to be able to claim the mantle of the founding fathers unless they affirm that morality and religion are indispensible supports of political prosperity," he predicted.

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rainkitty
08:21 AM on 10/03/2010
The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
http://www.theocracywatch.org/
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ZeraLee
A Citizen's View from Main Street
03:19 AM on 09/20/2010
Santorum is just another theocrat trying to hold fiscal conservatives hostage to their social engineering agenda. The Tea Party is better off remaining free of their domination, or they will just be absorbed into the GOP and lose their own identity.
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awake108
09:05 AM on 09/20/2010
Think it too late. They have already been taken over by the corporatist(who never miss an oppertunity to use causes to their benifit. Same thing happened with the values voters. This fight for power should be interesting to watch.
11:36 PM on 09/19/2010
If you slap lipstick on a pig put a bow tie on it and pretend to pass it off as something fancy you still have a pig. These “tea party” ideas are the same ideas that the Republicans have been “professing” for decades.
1) Cut Government Spending – yea right. You failed under Reagan, Bush and Bush. You can’t even stop insane earmarks like the Bridge to Nowhere.
2) Follow the Constitution – only when it suits you. I guess the move to change the 14th Amendment and spying on citizens without a warrant (against the 4th Amendment) don’t apply.
3) Have more religion in government. I guess this doesn’t mean that lawmakers would be immune from sinning by having affairs like John Ensign, Don Sherwood, Mark Souder?
4) Root out government waste. I puke think of all of the Jack Abramoff mess and the billions of dollars totally lost in Iraq.
11:09 PM on 09/19/2010
MY Christian God is not the same as Christine "I dabbled in Satanism" O'Donnell's God. This article points up why the GOP-TEA will splinter after the election because many Tea Partiers are gung ho for fiscal restraints but not for religious tests for individual Americans. Past experiments pushing strict (i.e., right wing) "Christian" values will mean Romney's Mormonism won't fly with these religious zealots while Huckabee's Southern Baptist beliefs won't fly with Episcopalians, Catholics, Unitarians, Jews, Buddhists (our Asian neighbors) or Hindus (Jindal despite his refudiations to the contrary).

I don't want to impose my religious beliefs on any one else. But if they press the point, I will tell them that I am a member of George Washington's Church (the same one for many of the early Presidents). Does that make me a better or truer American since my religion was the same as most of the Founding Fathers? I hope not!!!

This religious litmus test that is brewing now, will come to a boiling point after January when the GOP Establishment will not push for the more bizarre, extreme social issues. it will split the Tea Party into the fiscal conservatives and the religious zealots. This will result in a Third Party movement on the ballot in 2012, helping to reelect Obama. The Democrats just need to be the wide door, welcoming tent for those who believe an individual has the right to choose what Church to attend (or synagogue, temple, etc.).
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jsanti7
Sin's a Good Mans Brother I Know Both
11:00 PM on 09/19/2010
All that pops in my mind is humpty dumpty and the great fall. It close now.

Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Yates
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FGW
Republicans, You Don't Speak For Me, So Stop Lying
10:48 PM on 09/19/2010
The TEA party has gone way beyond the idea of being taxed correctly (which actually, they are completely in the wrong on their ideology of taxes to begin with). They have become this Christian right wing insane party who has masterminded the correct phases to say to people too have them listen and agree. It’s all a ploy to have the big boys be the true winners in the end. If any on them had actually paid attention in history class, maybe they would understand these tactics sound rather familiar and they truly do not result in proper gain of the majority. Only a selected few however, if people feel the absolute desire to be part of such a horrid cult, to each their own…I just have to make sure the people who truly have their chit together understand how imperative it is to vote in November and make sure these people do not gain control. If they do, in the end, it will hurt us all (BIG TIME). Oh, and about the government expansion – actually Bush expanded the government more widely then President Clinton had….oh, that’s right, so did Reagan than Democrats before him.
01:02 PM on 09/26/2010
Things could drastically change in favor of a democratic win if Christians knew how the far right's slanderous and rebellious ideology is a mockery to the teachings of Christ and authority of God.

Read and pass on...
Bombshell Commentary!: "Stoning Hypocrisy in a Glass House" - http://bit.ly/Article03
10:29 PM on 09/19/2010
Makes sense, they are split on pro-life. They want no abortion but after birth if your poor, starving, and need health care... tough luck.

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newamericanliberal
Facts don't stop being true by your disbelief
10:56 PM on 09/19/2010
Thank you. Keep up the fight.
07:24 PM on 09/19/2010
This 'debate' among Republicans shows that the 'Tea Party Movement' is a far right spin-off of the Republican party, promoted cynically and falsely by the Republicans and media for domestic public consumption as a grassroots and independent movement.

Due to the kooky extreme right, quasi-fascistic individuals the tea party spin-off attracts, both in terms of both candidates and rank-and-file supporters, the whole thing is starting to look like a Republican debacle.

Mainstream Republicans were hoping for a merely more libertarian approach on economic issues (libertarian for the masses if not the banks, corporations, military and its contractors) while the religious fanatics see it as an opportunity to impose their divisive religious chauvinism at home and abroad - the last thing the mainstream, greed heads of the Republican party wanted. Even the military is objecting to the anti-islamic chauvinism and overt racism the movement is stirring up.

In the mean time, the Democrats sit around hoping for the best out of this developing Republican debacle, as they don't have much else to run on beyond 'tea party' scare mongering. Yet, the Democrats are not out of the woods, as disgusted millions are likely to sit out the election entirely.

Our two-party 'democracy' is an absurd spectacle and dead-end for the vast majority of the population.

Boycott the mid-terms.
11:23 PM on 09/19/2010
KCDan is a sheeple in wolf's clothing: ""Boycott the mid-terms" is what Republicans want to tell Democrats to do. I am one Dem who is going to vote and bring friends.
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dfranz
With Liberty and Justice for all
04:40 PM on 09/19/2010
I know that Santorum feels pure as the driven snow now that he's admitted he's a whoremonger and prayed for forgiveness, but that mean he doesn't have to feel any shame either? When an overt hypocrite talk about social issues it means he wants to shove his narrow views down everyone else's throat.
04:24 PM on 09/19/2010
Concerning taxes and government, they say "keep your hands out of our pockets."

Concerning business and government, they say "we should be able to do as we wish."

Concerning health and education issues and government, they say "we shouldn't be forced by government into health and education programs."

Concerning guns and government, they say "the government can't force us to have limits on gun purchases or sales.

Concerning state issues and government, they say "the federal government can't interject itself into local and state issues, even if they involve discrimination and equal protection."

But then turn right around, as if they spoke none of the above, and try to use the government into our marriages, bed rooms, hospital rooms, homes and personal effects, to force us to pray in school, become christians, deny science and global warming, to arrest us for doing whatever to our own bodies and to deny us a way to make a living.

They fancy themselves masters where they dictate to the rest of us how we should live but not the reverse.

I for one will not stand for it any more.

I like New Hampshire's motto:

LIVE FREE OR DIE
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new beginning
Practice random acts of kindness-change the world
08:29 AM on 09/20/2010
If you want to live free, you will vote Republican.

No one is forcing the government into your marriage, your bedroom, hospital room, home or personal effects. You are free to choose not to pray in school - wondering why you so resent those who do wish to pray? You are free to choose your religion - or not. No one is denying science or naturally occurring climate change, arresting you for doing anything with your body or denying you from making a living.

Don't know where in the world you get this stuff. But it just isn't true.
09:40 AM on 09/20/2010
1. marriages --They tell gay people to marry the opposite sex. (DOMA)

2. bed rooms--anti-sodomy laws (what should they care how i have sex)

3. hospital rooms--Terry Shiavo, the Congress passed a resolution to come in between a family and a loved ones end of live decision.

4. homes and personal effects---they accuse people of drugs and take their property (shakedown) and stop people in their cars on the roads and rummage through their papers without warrant.

5. prayer in schools---they have for years been trying to bring back prayer to schools, have you not been paying attention?

6. become christians---there has been attempt after attempt to put the ten commandments in public buildings and get government to recognize America as a "christian nation" and we are fighting christian wars. In addition, the christian fanatics have infiltrated our military, agencies, Supreme Court and are requiring a religious test for public office.

7. denying science---denying evolution has been their mainstay, and there has been attempt after attempt to bring creationism into our public schools. And they deny global warming. They don't want to upset their oil barron patrons.

8. arrests---this whole drug war has run its course. Taking drugs is a personal choice.

9. making a living--job discrimination for a whole hosts of reasons.

Become a Republican?

Yeah, if I want to bring back slavery. I guess that's one way to have full employment.
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drwtsn
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03:38 PM on 09/19/2010
"To make his case, he said that without strong Judeo-Christian values, the American public becomes dependent on the government"

Exactly what does "Judeo-Christian" mean? Does that mean we should revere Jesus , but also crucify Him?
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MyFatCat
I'm paid in catnip
12:52 AM on 09/20/2010
Yet another false dichotomy by the GOP: that it's not possible to run the government without Judeo-Christian values. There was this radical idea about using the values enunciated by various documents...which aren't the Torah, Christian Scriptures, Mishnah, or Gemara...had the plain name of the Constitution and the U.S. Code.
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Tyrione
02:41 PM on 09/19/2010
They are slowly beginning to fight each other for control of the GOP. The Tea Partiers want the Neo-con evangelicals to step down and take a back seat. The drunk with former power evangelicals want to drive the party again.

I love watching the political blood bath begin to boil over.
02:21 PM on 09/19/2010
Social issues... let's ask them all what they will do to fight poverty.

Fight the Crazy!

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12:59 PM on 09/19/2010
If Republicans and Tea Baggers want to promote a value, HONESTY would be a good. It's even one of the 10 Commandments.
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new beginning
Practice random acts of kindness-change the world
08:31 AM on 09/20/2010
Sounds good to me. Goes for both sides of the aisle.
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StevieRae
Neutralize "being primaried" by voting
12:49 PM on 09/19/2010
While very painful to consider that we're about to face another two years of Congress failing to face up to our challenges, with a transfer of power back to Republicans, the next two years will be the last breath for the party. Why, because as the Republicans once in power will provide proof to Americans that they couldn't improve their personal financial conditions and the economy as promised. Whether they return to the Democratic Party remains to be seen but an undeniable fact is the ever changing demographics underway, will work against Republicans.

Much of the anger today is in fact that many white voters are scared to death of how "their" world is about to change. The next two years will show they can't do anything about it; the real "wave" is coming.
12:13 AM on 09/20/2010
"with a transfer of power back to Republicans, the next two years will be the last breath for the party. Why, because as the Republicans once in power will provide proof to Americans that they couldn't improve their personal financial conditions and the economy as promised."

You are forgetting something. We keep alternating from control by one party or the other, and will continue to do so, because NEITHER of them is getting it done.