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Obama To Tea Party: 'Identify, Specifically, What Would You Do?'

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First Posted: 09/20/10 02:44 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:45 PM ET

White House advisers on Monday pushed back hard against a New York Times report that the administration is ready to launch a full-frontal assault on the Tea Party movement as the November elections approach. No such plans are being made, insisted senior advisers. And, sure enough, the Times quickly modified its story into something a bit duller.

In a town hall meeting broadcast live by CNBC on Monday, however, President Obama seemed to be reading off the initial script. Pressed by an audience member to weigh in on what exactly drives the Tea Party, Obama, in no uncertain terms, accused the movement's members of refusing to talk in specifics.

If there is anger over the economic or political landscape, he added, it is being misdirected in his direction.

"The problem that I've seen in the debate that's been taking place and in some of these Tea Party events is, I think they're misidentifying sort of who the culprits are here," said Obama. "As I said before, we had to take some emergency steps last year. But the majority of economists will tell you that the emergency steps we take are not the problem long-term. The problems long-term are the problems that I talked about earlier. We had two tax cuts that weren't paid for, two wars that weren't paid for. We've got a population that's getting older. We're all demanding services, but our taxes have actually substantially gone down."

"So the challenge, I think, for the Tea Party movement is to identify, specifically, what would you do?" he added. "It's not enough just to say get control of spending. I think it's important for you to say, I'm willing to cut veterans' benefits or I'm willing to cut Medicare or Social Security benefits or I'm willing to see these taxes go up. What you can't do, which is what I've been hearing a lot from the other side, is we're going to control government spending, we're going to propose $4 trillion of additional tax cuts, and that magically somehow things are going to work. Now, some of these are very difficult choices."

Obama does seem to operate at his best when facing inherently adversarial questions (recall the positive coverage he received for going to a Republican conference in Baltimore during the height of the health care debate). And while several questioners at the CNBC event were sympathetic to the president, the answers that seemed to resonate best came when the pro-business or anti-government questioners were pressing him.

His direct questioning of the Tea Party's motives came just moments before he acknowledged that being "healthfully skeptical about government" is in "our DNA."

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White House advisers on Monday pushed back hard against a New York Times report that the administration is ready to launch a full-frontal assault on the Tea Party movement as the November elections ap...
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12:05 AM on 10/25/2010
This article is completely disingenuous as it should be evident to all the these Tea Party candidates are really straw (wom)men propped by the democratic party. Their secret strategy was to have these folks win the primaries by parroting the founding father and other empty rhetoric only to be exposed as witches, fanatics, and empty minded kooks, etc. in time for the general elections.

I am on to you - it almost worked.
12:35 AM on 10/01/2010
The problem, as I see it, with all the rhetoric that we're hearing at this point is that we've forgotten a basic precept of Floridian life which applies here. I can understand why some have missed it but it's too late to ask who forgot to drain the swamp when you're up to your ass in alligators.
04:04 PM on 09/26/2010
Lisa's reply, but "Are you such a moron that you think I'd rather spend time working to pay the blood-sucking IRS rather than enjoy the company of my children?
Feel free to pay as much as you want in tax revenue, on my behalf! I am already tapped out. "
The rest of my post was lost, however, what the heck are you talking about? You are paying LESS in TAX TODAY!!, if the Republicans have their way, they will RAISE your taxes!Obama is trying to give ALL tax break. ALL FAMILIES will get a tax break up to the first $250K!
We are in this pickle because George Bush took the surplus and gave it the rich! Then he continued giving them more tax cuts with two wars not paid for! Obama could have punted also, but he is much more intelligent and smarter. Now Republicans want to add nearly $1 trillion dollars more to the deficit by giving more tax breaks to the rich who do not need it! George Bush and the Republicans 8 years of tax cuts have produced disaster. The tax cuts created only 3 million jobs but we lost over 8 million!
http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/07/americans-pay-less-gas-taxes-since-1975.php
http://coloradoindependent.com/50655/forbes-tea-partiers-confused-taxes-%E2%80%98lower-by-every-measure%E2%80%99-under-obama
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2010/04/americans_are_paying_less_in_f.html
04:33 PM on 09/25/2010
Who pulls the strings? Realizing the threat to their profits that Universal Healthcare, Alternative Energy, Universal Access to College Education, Lowering Taxes on the Middle Class, Enforceable Restrictions on Investment & Banking Industries --- the goals stated in the Obama campaign that won him the election, they declared war on our nation's choice of leader - a war against our freedom and our Constitutional Rights.
Their technique - use Americans' notorious demand for instant gratification, while blocking every bill proposed by Democrats. Fan the flames and raise fears to a frantic level, Use mind control entraining techniques to convince them of "Democratic discontent", offer camaraderie in a new movement,"The Tea Party" which could only agree on one thing -"government is too big". Foxy folks fed the most frantic fears with outright lies about Obama's birthplace and religion and succeeded - people believed the absurd. Formerly neutral and left of center news media, with new sponsors from Oil, Ins., Pharma. & Banking started following simple directives - use those terms as much as possible. As Dubya's WMDs in Iraq campaign showed, repeated often enough,"we're not sure that IRAQ HAS WMDS", registers as just the last three words.
Republicans voted against the same bills they co-sponsored with Democrats to stop anything from getting done. Now Democrats are afraid to be Democrats and everyone claims to be "an outsider". Someone who wants to become a politician is necessarily better than someone who already succeeded? - Illogical!
Stop the Tea Party Mad Hatters from
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thepoliticalcat
Eradicate your microbioflora
03:31 PM on 09/24/2010
Anyone who replied to my comments here, for some reason, when I try to find your replies, the server tells me the comments won't load. Sorry about that, this is an interesting discussion, and I'd like to continue it if at all possible. (shrugs)
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MJinCanada
Safe from zombies until my 2nd cup of coffee
10:39 PM on 09/24/2010
Same problem here.

I think the number of pages are against us.

I had a rebuttal for Mark A Campbell, but I honestly don't think the lad's open to reason anyway.
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thepoliticalcat
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01:39 PM on 09/25/2010
Best you didn't waste your time then, innit? ;-)
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05:06 PM on 09/25/2010
However, the Chinese are noted for their entrepreneurial spirit and their adaptability, and as an ancient civilization, know quite well that investment in the military, while required to deter overly eager encroachers, is a waste of resources ultimately, as the ROI is very low.

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07:33 AM on 09/24/2010
I wonder what will happen when the Chinese refuse to loan us more money to pay for our defense budget.

Will they then take advantage of our lack of defense spending to militarily force us to pay back our debts to them...plus a little extra?
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thepoliticalcat
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01:42 PM on 09/25/2010
No. The Chinese government, with a population of over a billion to worry about and multiple other worries, is not anxious for military conflict. Historically, China relied on diplomacy and trade rather than force of arms to create an empire. However, the Chinese are noted for their entrepreneurial spirit and their adaptability, and as an ancient civilization, know quite well that investment in the military, while required to deter overly eager encroachers, is a waste of resources ultimately, as the ROI is very low.
04:44 AM on 09/24/2010
"Yeah, tell us so we can diss you for it, re-dress it and presnet it as our own. We're clueless!"
08:30 PM on 09/23/2010
No such plans are being made, insisted senior advisers.
Cowards! FULL OUT ASSAULT ON THEM!!
>>the problems long-term are the problems that I talked about earlier. We had two tax cuts that weren't paid for, two wars that weren't paid for. We've got a population that's getting older. We're all demanding services, but our taxes have actually substantially gone down."
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01:40 PM on 09/23/2010
I want him to get tough and stay tough! In order to save us all, he has to save the tea-party crowd or convince them to save themselves.

Behind all the compelling rhetoric, they are voting to have their social security privatized. Medicare privatized. VA Hospitals privatized. 800 billion added to taxes for the richest 2% -- including "small businesses" that employ thousands of people, make billions of dollars, and in many cases pay no taxes at all while taking trillions of our tax dollars in loopholes. (And moving those jobs offshore.)

They want to repel health care reform that will protect us all from being dropped for pre-existing conditions, allows children with pre-existing to have insurance, to prevent life-time limits, prevent dropping us if we get sick. They are voting to repel all this!

They are voting to repeal consumer protections going in place to prevent lenders from jacking up interest rates arbitrarily or sending out a notice you owe the entire balance at once.

SO much more!

All they hear is the GOP saying we can't afford this health care. Well there is so much more to it than that if they will listen--plus, it is written in that there can be adjustments made as we go and they know we'll need it--this is just a starting point, but there are those who want to give it all up.

Stop listening to the Glen Becks and get to work doing some research.
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alumtrix
03:17 PM on 09/23/2010
He got tough yesterday. Did you see him talking into THAT microphone in someone's backyard to a crowd of 15-20 sitting within earshot of him. And I think it was Donna that shared her story about how her son was admitted on her insurance policy even though he had a pre-existing condition. Just a touching moment for me. To see our President come to the realization he no longer can fill a junior college gym so he's resorted to backyards.
08:33 PM on 09/23/2010
No such plans are being made, insisted senior advisers.
Cowards! FULL OUT ASSAULT ON THEM!!
>>the problems long-term are the problems that I talked about earlier. We had two tax cuts that weren't paid for, two wars that weren't paid for. We've got a population that's getting older. We're all demanding services, but our taxes have actually substantially gone down."
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MJinCanada
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10:49 PM on 09/24/2010
I think the most dangerous part of the Tea Party is the Libertarians. They seem to have a fanatic worship of the free market, and are completely blind and deaf to the history of trade and commerce, which has hundreds of examples of why laws and regulations and safety nets are in place. If a completely unregulated free market ever worked in a nation, why is there no record of one, and why doesn't one exist somewhere now?
01:12 PM on 09/23/2010
The sad thing is that there are some Tea Party members with very eloquent, well thought out ideas. They, however, are unfortunately drowned out by a very loud mass with no political insight. The only way the movement will have any success is by suppressing their radical members.

This can be said for pretty much every political movement/party.
01:40 PM on 09/23/2010
How about intelligent conversation on the valid issues we do have? Wouldn't that serve to raise the noise ratio a bit?

By my account of the half dozen pages of comments below, the Tea Partiers have less loud mass with no political insight than the Democrats do. I can't make heads or tails out of half the comments and many of the rest of them mindlessly repeat the same racist, no plan, name-calling comments that have so many times been refuted. Where's the coherence of either of the "major" parties?
01:50 PM on 09/23/2010
Great idea - so, plese do start posting some intelligent conversation and some political insights.
If you don't have any to offer, then you're reading the wrong political forum.
03:35 PM on 09/23/2010
My final line states, "This can be said for pretty much every political movement/party.” Sorry, I'll be more clear; This also includes the Democratic Party. You take one unbiased comment and consider it an attack against your party? I am not really a supporter of either side, but you did little to win me over with your response. At the very least, I was trying to defend the Tea Party members with rational, intelligent comments. But you didn't care did you? You wanted me to directly bash the other party and since I didn't do that, it must mean that my comment holds no merit. Good luck winning people over.
02:11 PM on 09/23/2010
Velma Hart is a beautiful example of the political awakening of the masses from which the "Tea Party" is only a faction. None of us would call her a Tea Party member...only because she is so thoughtful, considerate, sincere, and articulate. But I am sure that there are people like her who would consider themselves leaning toward some Tea Party issues. Just the same, it is my belief that Mrs. Hart speaks for a rather huge mass of independent-thinking folks who have little respect for party loyalty or dogma, wish to consider what all have to say, and will make honest, considerate election choices based on substance. Mrs. Hart also demonstrated that these folks expect accountability, regardless of whom they may have voted for in the presidential election.

I don't know what to call it, but we need a party full of folks with a heart (sic) like Velma.
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alumtrix
03:22 PM on 09/23/2010
You're forgetting she voted for "hope and change". The whites that voted for Obama did not vote on anything substantive because nothing was ever offered. They simply voted on the fact that they thought Obama was cool and it would make them look better if they supported a black.
03:29 PM on 09/23/2010
Velma Hart is a great example and party loyalty is at the root of our country's inability to proceed politically. Every issue/bill/law is automatically thrown into limbo because neither side is willing to compromise. It's not about giving in, it's about compromise. It's about taking an honest look at our country and what is best for it. We can't do the old subtraction by addition routine that recently took place with DADT. (I know the common phrase is "additon by subtraction", but the former worked better for this example)

I truly won't be terrified if a Tea Party member or a republican or a democrat becomes the represenative of our country, which is what a president basically is. I will, however, be very concerned if our politicians continue down this path. Some smart guy at some time said something about a "house divided".
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blohrd3
So let us stop talking falsely now
01:08 PM on 09/23/2010
Saint Glen has ordained that the Tea party will no longer wear funny costumes. He waved his right hand, the one with the kissing ring on it, and the costume went away. but the tea party is a loose conglomeration of like minded citizens who aren't an organization led by Glen. Hmm, Curiouser and curiouser!” Cried Alice.
01:23 PM on 09/23/2010
"Saint Glen" is right. As for a loose conglomeration of like minded citizens who aren't an organization led by Glen... everybody knows a lot of Saint Glen's money is behind that 'spontaneous' quasi-party, which is exactly as spontaneous as an NBA championship game.
12:56 PM on 09/23/2010
If only the Tea Party was a good organization, because then they could say, "Well, one way to balance the budget would be to end the war in Afghanistan, and then shut down all our overseas military bases, then end the drug war and release all prisoners convicted of non-violent drug offenses. You could then shut then School of Americas, and end our finanical support for environmentally destructive organizations -- and economic fascism -- like the World Bank and IMF. In addition, you should push hard to end the Oil Depletion Allowance and all other tax-loopholes in the corporate sector. You could listen to those on the left by watching Democracy Now! as well as those on the right like Ron Paul (not Rand!) and Bob Barr."
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OLJW00
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12:23 PM on 09/23/2010
The Tea Party isn't one monolithic group but rather a movement in opposition to the agenda of the current Administration.....

Any attempt to try and make them (us) answer this is simply an attempt at deflection. But if you insist - how about we start with doing everything basically opposite of what you are doing Barry.

How is that for a start?
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davidabheeru
12:30 PM on 09/23/2010
Not good.
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OLJW00
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07:03 PM on 09/25/2010
How about we go to a flat or sales tax and rid ourselves of teh IRS altogether? How about we get rid of the Dep't of Education and allow the states to oversee the education of their children.

How about we pay attention to the 10th Amendment that stipulates CLEARLY that the Constitution's principle of federalism by providing that powers not granted to the federal government nor prohibited to the states by the Constitution of the United States are reserved to the states or the people?
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Aimleft
12:35 PM on 09/23/2010
Great example of having no idea what you'd do differently. Very easy to say "the opposite" of what "Barry" does. Do you even have any idea of what it is that he does, thayou're so opposed to?
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OLJW00
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03:23 PM on 09/23/2010
We are against being antagonistic to business, over-spending/borrowing, passing legislation that a majority of Americans don't want, etc. etc.

Why is it you guys can't grasp this is beyond me... But we'll be passing judgment on the Dems agenda in a few weeks.

See you then.
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theriveryeti
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12:14 PM on 09/23/2010
Kindly write all of your grievances on a cinder block, and shove it..
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WashingtonDCsucks
DC... Give them rope & they will try to hang you.
12:42 PM on 09/23/2010
Perhaps if all Americans with a Grievance wrote it on a cinder block and took it to DC, we would have a wall built around the criminals causing all the trouble in no time.

The we could have a group with cinder blocks visit Wall street and help it live up to it's name.
A wall keeping the parasite criminals in their domain.

It would also help the cinderblock industry!
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blohrd3
So let us stop talking falsely now
01:02 PM on 09/23/2010
Would have worked great before the economic collapse. It's too late now. Fox news and freedom works have made sure of that by feeding slogans and misinformation to the Tea party.
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ConservativeCory
Hope and Change = Fail and Blame
12:14 PM on 09/23/2010
Not that I'm a tea party fan but for everyone who thinks they are a small collections of nutjobs, they seem to be getting the Presidents attention and he is gameplanning against them.
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OLJW00
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12:25 PM on 09/23/2010
Makes you think doesn't it? I mean they can't NOT be imp't yet generate all this attention at the same time....especially from the like of the POTUS.
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ConservativeCory
Hope and Change = Fail and Blame
12:28 PM on 09/23/2010
I wonder who gives them more attention fox news/talk radio or progressive media outlets?
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tominnyc
01:12 PM on 09/23/2010
The tea party is a like a bowel movement of course you pay attention
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WashingtonDCsucks
DC... Give them rope & they will try to hang you.
12:43 PM on 09/23/2010
The media loves the tension between the mentally deranged GOPer's and the terminally insane clowns on the left.

The USA gets to choose between clowns or criminals.
01:33 PM on 09/23/2010
That's precisely why so many people are breaking away from both parties and joining a "something different" movement. It's just a sad coincidence that we got named Tea Party and that we're staying hitched to the GOP because the election game's too rigged against 3rd parties. To be clear, we're as different these days from GOPers as we are from Liberals.