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'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Senate Repeal Defeated By GOP Filibuster

ANNE FLAHERTY   09/21/10 10:28 PM ET   AP

Dont Ask Dont Tell Repeal Vote

WASHINGTON — Senate Republicans on Tuesday blocked an effort by Democrats and the White House to lift the ban on gays from serving openly in the military, voting unanimously against advancing a major defense policy bill that included the provision.

The mostly partisan vote dealt a major blow to gay rights groups who saw the legislation as their best hope, at least in the short term, for repeal of the 17-year-old law known as "don't ask, don't tell."

If Democrats lose seats in the upcoming congressional elections this fall, as many expect, repealing the ban could prove even more difficult – if not impossible – next year. With that scenario looming, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said that a lame-duck session was being planned and that lifting the ban would be taken up then.

The episode upset advocates who believe that neither President Barack Obama nor Reid did enough to see the measure through.

"The whole thing is a political train wreck," said Richard Socarides, a White House adviser on gay rights during the Clinton administration.

Democrats included the repeal provision in a $726 billion defense policy bill, which authorizes a pay raise for the troops among other popular programs. In a deal brokered with the White House, the measure would have overturned the 1993 law banning openly gay service only after a Pentagon review and certification from the president that lifting the ban wouldn't hurt troop morale.

But with little time left for debate before the November ballot, the bill languished on the Senate calendar until gay rights groups, backed by pop star Lady Gaga, began an aggressive push to turn it into an election issue.

Earlier this month a federal judge in Los Angeles declared the ban an unconstitutional violation of the due process and free speech rights of gays and lesbians. The decision was the third federal court ruling since July to assert that statutory limits on the rights of gays and lesbians were unconstitutional.

Reid agreed to force a vote on the bill this week and limit debate, despite Republican objections. A Nevada Democrat in a tight race of his own this fall, he also pledged to use the defense bill as a vehicle for an immigration proposal that would enable young people to qualify for U.S. citizenship if they joined the military.

Republicans alleged that Reid was using the defense bill to score political points with the Democratic base.

"This is not a serious exercise. It's a show," said Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.

Democrats countered that the bill merely reflects public opinion. Recent polls suggest that a majority of Americans think the ban on gays in the military should be overturned.

"We're going to fight for this," said Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Armed Services Committee.

But at least for now, the question of how and when to change the policy returns to the Pentagon, which had set a December deadline to complete a study of the effects of lifting the ban. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has said that he supports Obama's goal of repeal, but Gates made it clear he thought the process should move gradually.

It is not clear how quickly the Pentagon might make its own recommendations. Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell declined to comment Tuesday on what he called "an internal procedural matter for the Senate."

Initially, advocates had thought that Democrats might win the 60 votes needed to overcome GOP objections and advance the bill. Sen. Susan Collins, a moderate Maine Republican, was seen as a crucial vote because she supports overturning the ban.

But Collins ultimately sided with her GOP colleagues in arguing that the bill shouldn't advance because Republicans weren't given sufficient chance to offer amendments to the wide-ranging policy bill.

Democrats also failed to keep all of their party members in line. Democratic Sens. Blanche Lincoln and Mark Pryor, both of Arkansas, voted with Republicans to scuttle the bill. The vote was 56-43, four short of the 60 required to advance under Senate rules.

Lincoln said she objected to the limits on debate and wanted a chance to offer amendments that would benefit her state. In a statement, Pryor said the bill deserved more serious debate than was being allowed.

"There needs to be a genuine and honest effort to craft a defense bill that senators from both parties can support, because supporting our troops should not ever be a partisan issue," he said.

When it became clear that Democrats would lose, Reid cast his own vote in opposition as a procedural tactic. Under Senate rules, doing so enabled him to revive the bill.

Conservative groups hailed the vote as a victory for the troops. "At least for now they will not be used to advance a radical social agenda," said Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

An estimated 13,000 people have been discharged under the law since its inception in 1993. Although most dismissals have resulted from gay service members outing themselves, gay rights' groups say it has been used by vindictive co-workers to drum out troops who never made their sexuality an issue.

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Associated Press writer Laurie Kellman contributed to this report.

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INVet
Truth has a liberal bias
11:36 AM on 09/23/2010
In 1942 a vice admiral insisted that "the minute the negro is introduced in to the general service, the quality of soldiers would plummet. Esprit de corps, even disease."

Sound familiar??
05:35 PM on 09/22/2010
GOP Filibuster???

What are you talking about. There was no filibuster. Does no one even know what that term means anymore? The Democrats couldn't even get all of their own members to vote for it.

It wasn't defeated by a filibuster. The Democrats like normal didn't force the GOP to actually start a filibuster.

There used to be a day when senators did filibuster bills. Now all the GOP has to do is give a dirty look Reids way and he backs down.

Why not force them to read the phone book.

This is laughable to say the GOP killed this bill. Reid's inability to keep his own party in line and his lack of spine to force the GOP to ACTUALLY filibuster is what killed this bill.

How about some truth in reporting?

Don't censor me bro!
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Lee Johnston
Just my opinion I could be wrong
02:37 PM on 09/22/2010
The only people who should get to vote on this issue are those currently serving in the military. They are the ones putting their lives on the line. They deserve to have a say on this issue since it only effects them .They should get to decide. Not the Senators looking for votes or those standing out front of the White House with signs so they can be on TV or those entertainers looking for more publicity.
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11:01 PM on 09/22/2010
Enlisted people have no right to vote on the rights of others.
03:35 PM on 09/24/2010
The military isn't a private club, it is a part of the US Government which that exists to defend the Constitution and people of the united states.
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Lee Johnston
Just my opinion I could be wrong
12:22 PM on 09/27/2010
Actually it is a private club. Not everyone is allowed in. Civilians must past aptitude and physical test and be of a certain age. Lots of people due not qualify or fail during Basic training. Being in the military requires servicemen and women to live in close quarters with other individuals during times of extreme duress. The real issue here is that the Democrats added this to a Bill that was for pay raises and more financial support for those that have and are serving our Country. If people would read these bills they would understand that this was a manipulation of our democratic process and a waste of time. The only thing accomplished was a delay for pay raises and additional benefits for the servicemen and women of our country. The Democrats knew they didn't have the votes ahead of time, mainly because of DADT part of the bill, but instead of taking that out and getting the other portions of the Bill passed they decided to play games.
BraveWarrior
The truth will set you free, like it or not
02:08 PM on 09/22/2010
A lot of passion and frank manipulation on these treads. Party insiders desperate to turn out voters present us with this Kabuki theater. The president, all ready on record as supporting gay rights but believing that marriage should be between a man and a woman. The moderate position that straddles the fences. Like the health bill, renegade democrats are playing good pol, bad pol-while we are being played. Of course the president would go to the senate. What better place to posture while pulling strings behind the scenes. He was under great pressure to appoint Ms.Warren, so he didn't risk her nomination to senate obstruction. But for Gay, Latino issues, every politician can vote for bills that they know will never pass. It positions them in their campaigns and is timed conveniently to turn out supporters in the mid terms. Here again the party regulars use this vote to prove loyalty to the base and to point to the republicans as the reason none of our agenda ever gets enacted. Demand that the president announces an executive order, or stay home on Nov. 2nd. Open your eyes folks, how many times can they fool us. If we had 80 senators, there would always be plants to obstruct any bills that are actually progressive. Don't buy all that crap that only the democrats will champion civil, or human rights. If our party can't deliver, then fire the bunch.
01:44 PM on 09/22/2010
It is too soon to give up on THIS bill. There are still actions that Democrats can take and we need to hold their feet to the fire and not let them run off to campaign before they've done all they can.

Reid can bring up the vote daily.

Reid can refuse to go into recess for campaigning till there's a vote.

Reid can force a stand-up filibuster with quorum calls and spending the night in chambers.

Democrats can end the filibuster with the nuclear option. (This is different from reconciliation, it's a procedural thing, and this crop of Republicans will do it as soon as they have a majority to stop Democratic filibusters)

So there are options. Right now. The Democrats can act. Right now. We need to hold their feet to the fire. Right now.

They said they wanted to be held accountable. They said this wasn't just election-year showboating. Help them keep their word.
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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
01:30 PM on 09/22/2010
Once again, the Republicans have shown their true colors. They have FOR YEARS used this annual exercise to advance their agenda. Now they cry foul when the other side does likewise.

Boo hoo.....whiners and obstructionists not interested in the American people do not interest me. My attention span for anything Republican is zero these days. Screw them.
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jlyn
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01:40 PM on 09/22/2010
I do believe the left is getting motivated, and it's about time. I'm getting madder and madder as the days go by at what the right is doing to this country. The way they pander to the lowest common denominator in the population. The way they're all wearing their ignorance as badges. It's disgusting, and I've had enough of what they're doing to this once great country.
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jeremyfive
12:36 PM on 09/22/2010
There is not one member of the GOP who is good enough to shine the boots of these courageous and talented younge men and women who are being criminalized for what they are.

This is an ugly dark era of American history. From 1930's through 1970's, the U.S. Government engaged in a program of sterilization of Puerto Rican women, largely without their knowledge, which resulted in fully 1/3 of women in Puerto Rico being sterilized. Native American women where treated in a similar manner. The U.S. has an ugly history of oppression and bigotry toward minority peoples that continues to this very day.

And one of the GOP senators (Vitter) traffics in hookers. Another pays hush money to the husband of a mistress who works for him. Still another expects his wife to accept his mistress while having attacked Bill Clinton publicly for infidelity, then advises "do what I say, not what I do." Some of the GOP make sexual advances to pages. Others toe tap in the mens room for sex.

The Repubican Party is simply beyond repulsive and deviate. It is criminal and hate-filled. Their morals are nauseating--and here they are today voting to further criminalize the brightest and best soldiers that America has to offer. The Republican Party is just beyond disgusting.
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AbeMartin
The best person fer a job is never a candidate
12:31 PM on 09/22/2010
I have repeatedly posted that President Obama, as Commander-in-Chief of all of the U.S. Armed Services should simply declare, by Executive Order,  that sexual harassment and discrimination will not be tolerated in any branch of the service, and that disregard of the policy will result in Court Martial of those so accused  And anyone convicted, including any officer who covers these violations  would receive an immediate reduction in rank and a less than honorable discharge.

However, he does  not seem to have the stomach or inclination to do this.  Senator Collins, I think has it right, that the solicitation of opinion of those in uniform should be completed.  However, while the results of that survey may be of interest, especially to social scientists and researchers, it should not be the determinant of policy.  The Military is NOT and will NEVER be a democratic institution.  It is, by nature an autocratic, top down, organization.  This "survey" that the flag officers have set up is nothing but a ploy to provide amunition and fodder for more political grandstanding by the one organization in the United States that truly willingly adheres to the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy--the U.S. Congress where the personal affiliations of  many members among the Senators and Representatives are kept well hidden in their private offices, basement hideaways and closets.
12:09 PM on 09/22/2010
To the people objecting the repeal of DADT: Which branch did YOU serve in?

I hear people on this thread talking about why DADT shouldn't be repealed. It's clear that a lot of them have never served in the military themselves. They don't have the stones. Well here's a little suggestion to those people. If you don't have the intestinal fortitude to join the military & serve your country, then YOU don't have the right to tell the people protecting your @$$ on a daily basis how they have to live & what they can or can't talk about. PERIOD.

You whiners sit back from the comfort of your little arm chair & attack soldiers who are laying their lives on the line FOR YOU, but you can't be bothered to actually serve your country yourself. You people are a frikkin' joke. You strut around demanding that we listen to your bigoted BS like you're some privileged primadonna who should automatically be heard just because you've deigned to open your pie-hole.

I'm ex-military & I can honestly say that I'd rather have a platoon's worth of openly gay soldiers that I know I can trust with my life & will fight by my side, than a whole battalion's worth of you mewling little pus-bags who are more concerned with if a soldier is gay & whether or not they are talking about it.
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INVet
Truth has a liberal bias
12:19 PM on 09/22/2010
Fanned and Faved!!

I don't care if the person next to me is straight
I just care if they can shoot straight!
11:50 AM on 09/22/2010
TODAY’S REPUBLICANS ARE AMERICA'S ENEMY WITHIN

Republicans ARE practicing seditious DEMAGOGUERY and anti-democracy OBSTRUCTIONISM intended to destabilize our economy for purposes of political exploitation.

Republicans AREN'T making a sincere effort to STOP the bleeding THEIR incompetent leadership and failed policies created. Instead, they're using inflammatory lies and accusations as a smokescreen to conceal their subversive agenda, which is to cause President Obama and America to fail so they can blame Democrats for the consequences of THEIR calamitous mismanagement.

Republicans ARE preposterously professing that THEIR disgraceful political WHORING had nothing to do with the banking, real estate, stock market and employment catastrophes that resulted.

Republicans ARE trying to hamstring Democrats to prevent them from repairing the damage caused during a Republican presidency that was irresponsibly enabled by Republican Senators and Representatives.

Republicans ARE offering ridiculous arguments meant solely to disrupt and prevent progressive change. They'd rather divide America and create political gridlock than endure the political consequences of effective Democratic governance.

Republicans AREN'T the LOYAL OPPOSITION; they ARE the ENEMY WITHIN whose mercenary priorities have eroded their moral and ethical standards to the point that duplicity and betrayal have become their preferred modus operandi.

It's one thing to advocate their conservative beliefs; it's another thing entirely to willfully sabotage America's government because a successful Democratic presidency would not be vulnerable to the greed, fears and hatreds that have produced and sustained the despicable Republican anti-government corporatism and anti-Christian faux theocracies that are poisoning and crippling American society.
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Red State Blues
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12:07 PM on 09/22/2010
Exactly!
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11:24 AM on 09/22/2010
Once again HP blames the republicans for the democrats lack of will to push this through.
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Hpotterfan77
The right side is the left side!
12:44 PM on 09/22/2010
It's kind of hard to push through a fillibuster...especially one caused by...wait for it...the replublicans!
01:46 PM on 09/22/2010
The nuclear option is there. Reid can bring the vote up again tomorrow. Reid doesn't have to allow Senators to go on campaign recess without a vote. Reid can force a stand-up filibuster.

So let's not consider the "no cloture" vote a defeat. There's lots that remains to be tried.
05:39 PM on 09/22/2010
THERE WAS NO FILIBUSTER

Reid backed down. He could have actually forced the GOP to filibuster (reading the phone book for example). However he didn't.

Stop saying filibuster. It never happened. Reid never forces them to do it.

This is laughable (if it weren't so serious for brave men and women).

Start telling the truth about what happened.
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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
01:32 PM on 09/22/2010
Lack of will? How many Republicans voted FOR this bill? What was it....ZERO?

It was through their will that it even came up for vote, you fool.

You are clearly nothing more than a talking parrot who is both misinformed and completely biased against the truth. No need to pay attention to you any longer.
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11:34 AM on 09/23/2010
Thanks. Then you can keep your name calling to yourself from now on.
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Red State Blues
writing from Tucson
10:58 AM on 09/22/2010
It's time for John McCain to retire. He is so far out of touch with the times that he doesn't realize repealing DADT is widely accepted here in 2010. Homophobics have no place in public office. This Sunday McCain is scheduled to debate his challenger for the US Senate job Democrat Rodney Glassman, in Arizona. I expect it will make the debate earlier this month between Terry Goddard and Governor Jan Brewer look like a meeting of the minds. You can watch it on azfamily.com, Sunday at 6PM Mountain time. This repeal of DADT needs to be approved and done with, so the US Senate can get to work on the many issues that affect all Americans.
10:13 AM on 09/22/2010
Nobody should think that this was a big surprise.Wait when they win in November,you will see how they will use their power.Anything that they don't like will be blocked.
09:49 AM on 09/22/2010
Has anyone reported that perhaps the GOP didn't like the bill BEFORE they threw in the repeal of DADT?

Perhaps the spending bill sucked so bad that GOP kept it from passing and the Liberals are now blaming them for the DADT.
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katylied
It's just a ride
09:53 AM on 09/22/2010
Try fox, sounds right up their alley, or down their sewer.
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09:56 AM on 09/22/2010
I'm not sure the GOP has ever seen a military spending bill they didn't like...
09:49 AM on 09/22/2010
This, of course, is very pleasing! Wait for the Pentagon study to be completed!
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09:57 AM on 09/22/2010
The vote didn't "move ahead" of the study.

It was another symbolic vote...