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AP Poll: Repeal? Many Wish Health Reform Went Further

RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR and JENNIFER AGIESTA   09/26/10 12:05 AM ET   AP

Health Care Reform

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama's health care overhaul has divided the nation, and Republicans believe their call for repeal will help them win elections in November. But the picture's not that clear cut.

A new AP poll finds that Americans who think the law should have done more outnumber those who think the government should stay out of health care by 2-to-1.

"I was disappointed that it didn't provide universal coverage," said Bronwyn Bleakley, 35, a biology professor from Easton, Mass.

More than 30 million people would gain coverage in 2019 when the law is fully phased in, but another 20 million or so would remain uninsured. Bleakley, who was uninsured early in her career, views the overhaul as a work in progress.

The poll found that about four in 10 adults think the new law did not go far enough to change the health care system, regardless of whether they support the law, oppose it or remain neutral. On the other side, about one in five say they oppose the law because they think the federal government should not be involved in health care at all.

The AP poll was conducted by Stanford University with the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation. Overall, 30 percent favored the legislation, while 40 percent opposed it, and another 30 percent remained neutral.

Those numbers are no endorsement for Obama's plan, but the survey also found a deep-seated desire for change that could pose a problem for Republicans. Only 25 percent in the poll said minimal tinkering would suffice for the health care system.

Brian Braley, 49, a tech industry worker from Mesa, Ariz., wants Washington to keep its hands off. "I think it's a Trojan horse," Braley said of the health care law. "It's a communist, socialist scheme. All the other countries that have tried this, they're billions in debt, and they admit this doesn't work."

It may well satisfy people who share Braley's outlook if Republicans succeed in tearing out what they dismiss as "Obamacare" by the roots. But GOP leaders would still find themselves in a quandary.

Republicans "are going to have to contend with the 75 percent who want substantial changes in the system," said Stanford political science professor Jon Krosnick, who directed the university's participation.

"Republican legislators' passion to repeal the legislation is understandable if they are paying attention to members of their own party," Krosnick added. "But if they want to be responsive to all Americans, there are more Democrats and independents than there are Republicans."

Health care proposals released by House Republican leaders last week would create new insurance options for people with medical problems and for small businesses, but they're likely to only cover a fraction of those who would be reached by Obama's law.

The poll did find some agreement among people who think the law should do more and those who think government should get out.

Broad majorities of both the "get-outs" and "do-mores" said medical care, health insurance and prescription drugs cost too much. And most said the system should aim to increase the number of people with insurance and enable Americans to get the care they need, while improving quality.

The differences emerge when it comes to the means:

_Only 25 percent of the "get-outs" favor requiring health insurance companies to sell coverage to people regardless of pre-existing medical conditions, while 54 percent of the "do-mores" support it. The law requires insurers to cover children regardless of health problems starting this year, and that protection is extended to people of all ages in 2014.

_Among those who want a law that does more, 68 percent favor requiring medium to large companies to provide insurance to their workers or pay a fine; that stands at 28 percent among those who want the government out. The law does not require employers to offer coverage, but it hits companies that have 50 or more workers with a penalty if any full-time employee gets a government subsidy for health insurance.

_The "get-outs" overwhelmingly reject the health care law's requirement that most Americans carry health insurance starting in 2014. But the "do-mores" are split, with 34 percent favoring the mandate, 33 percent opposing it, and 32 percent neutral.

Tom Gergel, 45, of West Chester, Pa., said he supports the health care law because it moves toward coverage for all and does away with denial of coverage to people in poor health. But he doesn't think it's perfect.

"Is this program going to make it more expensive?" asked Gergel, who sells computer software for engineers. "The jury's still out versus where we are now. We have the best health care in the world for those who can afford to pay for it, but it doesn't work for everyone."

The survey was conducted Aug. 31 to Sept. 7, and involved interviews with 1,251 randomly chosen adults nationwide. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.

The survey was conducted by Knowledge Networks, which first chose people for the study using randomly generated telephone numbers and home addresses. Once people were selected to participate, they were interviewed online. Participants without Internet access were provided it for free.

Stanford University's participation in the project was made possible by a grant from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

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Associated Press writer Natasha Metzler and News Survey Specialist Dennis Junius contributed to this report.

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JanPoore 03:04 PM on 09/25/2010
Many people who are disappointed in Obama and Democrats are frustrated because the HCR didn't go far enough and include a PO or Extension of Medicare. People who are not happy with the current HCR certainly don't want it repealed. The few who want to repeal it are misinformed and should educate themselves at www.healthcare.gov or  Read More...
02:10 PM on 09/27/2010
Because of Health Care Reform insurers are prohibited from setting lifetime limits and
annual limits. Just think if you had had a serious illness and the insurance company
said sorry we can not pay your bill you hit the limit. The rest of your cancer care will
have to be paid by you.

Republicans want to repeal this!

Insurance companies are now stopped from canceling policies after a policy holder
becomes sick. People were being canceled after paying for policies for years and
just when they got sick and started collecting the policy was cancelled.

Republicans want to repeal this!

Insurance policies will no longer be able to exclude children with preexisting conditions.

Republicans want to repeal this !

Democrats need to speak up and support the President and his policies that support
the middle class. It is time that Democrats be heard over the 24 hour
right wing informercial.

Democrats and independents need to support Democratic candidates
that support the middle class. It is time for DEmocrats to speak up and
not let their voices be drowned out by the 24 hour Republican infomercial.
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ProgressiveVoice
11:56 AM on 09/27/2010
"Brian Braley, 49, a tech industry worker from Mesa, Ariz., wants Washington to keep its hands off. "I think it's a Trojan horse," Braley said of the health care law. "It's a communist, socialist scheme. All the other countries that have tried this, they're billions in debt, and they admit this doesn't work.""

I suppose it would have been too much trouble for AP to prove or refute this man's claims?Or to ask him to name one of those countries that have admitted "this doesn't work"?
10:20 AM on 09/27/2010
Did everybody agree that something needed to be done? Yes.

Does everybody agree that republicans did nothing and were pleased watching a train wreck in progress knowing they were not on the train? Yes.

Is HRC hard? Yes.

Who's looking out after YOU? Democrats.
RoofinReality
In the middle, trending fast away from the radical
11:24 AM on 09/27/2010
Straight forwad, simple, succint.
And, SO TRUE.
Fanned.
RoofinReality
In the middle, trending fast away from the radical
11:31 AM on 09/27/2010
Err, succinct.
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:49 AM on 09/27/2010
That is really good. More, please.
Norm
Read think read analyze read comment
09:45 AM on 09/27/2010
Health care needs to be nationalized. Period. The current changes simply do not go far enough to make health care affordable and it can not possibly be affordable unless it is nationalized.
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:52 AM on 09/27/2010
Agreed. Baby steps, though. Lots of things that are essential will never happen without taking really small steps...and of course the danger there is the peanut gallery will be screaming "it's not working!" all the time, and the reason it gives that impression is because it's working...in baby steps. We've got to ignore republicans for a long, long time to get this country back on track and back into the civilized world.
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uniquindividual
I'm unique and so are you
09:36 AM on 09/27/2010
"Many wish it went further"

Tens of millions wish it went further would be more appropriate... duh
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Monrocsol
Bible is a fairy tale book
09:19 AM on 09/27/2010
A single payer system. Period.
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bthechangeyouseek
10:23 AM on 09/27/2010
Single payer is good, but does nothing but place the burden of paying claims into one payer. Universal care or a nationalized system would really make the difference.
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HowietheScreamer
Yes yes, I know my Micro bio is still empty
11:43 AM on 09/27/2010
Psst... that's what single payer is.
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Rogo99
Has the world changed, or have I changed?
07:41 AM on 09/27/2010
So the Repubs are still going to say that "The American People" don't like the HC policy, however without further explanation or elucidation.
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chichel
Yep, that's my bleeding heart you see on my sleeve
09:29 AM on 09/27/2010
That's the best way to spread a lie as truth.
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HowietheScreamer
Yes yes, I know my Micro bio is still empty
11:44 AM on 09/27/2010
Yep, go look up "the big lie" strategy. They use it all the time.
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reviewingthesituation
Southern liberal feminist
06:35 AM on 09/27/2010
Ditto for polls that show Obama's approval ratings down. The press always asumes this means that those who don't approve are now supporting his ideological opposite. I bet much of that disapproval comes from progressives who voted for him and are disappointed he hasn't been progressive enough. No way they're becoming Tea Party zealots. Dems, be wary of what you run away from.
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PWM
Eisenhower Rep. The 1% started class warfare.
08:22 AM on 09/27/2010
Exactly. We expected, maybe unrealisticly, too much too soon. This does not mean we think the GOP is the answer to anything.
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:55 AM on 09/27/2010
And as the finish line to this election gets closer, we're seeing Harry Reid pull ahead, Barbara Boxer pull ahead, Jerry Brown pull ahead...which means we're beginning to pull together. I would like to thank the tea party for making us realize how strong (strongly worded, anyway) the opposition in this country is. We can never let down our guard and I think the Republicans have reminded us of this, in 2010. Thanks, guys!!
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bthechangeyouseek
10:25 AM on 09/27/2010
The numbers above really don't tell the whole truth. Your post is right on. 1 in 5 is not 40%.
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slogward
03:40 AM on 09/27/2010
BREAKING....NEW TWITTER RESEARCH SHOWS TEA PARTY MAKING BIG INROADS INTO GOP VOTE, MAKING DEMOCRATS MORE ACTIVE...

http://nbyslog.blogspot.com/2010/09/twitter-and-tea-party.html
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reviewingthesituation
Southern liberal feminist
06:36 AM on 09/27/2010
"Twitter research?" Are you kidding me?
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:56 AM on 09/27/2010
Sadly...no.
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JavaManiac
...with liberty and justice for all
03:35 AM on 09/27/2010
I am one of those that wish HCR went further. I think we left a lot on the table that was good and would save money for political reasons.

The "old time pols" all thought that once it passed people would get on with their lives - but no - these current "tea drinkers" are rabid.

We should have put all the key components in there anyway!
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MartyJo
If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
01:36 AM on 09/27/2010
This story is pathetic. As a proud Canadian, with a bother with lung cancer, a sister-in-law having breast cancer, a brother with bi-polar, a sister with chronic depression.... and all with high quality care. How does one convey how horrible our socialist medical care is?

My young brother had open heart surgery on his 45th b'day, at the same time his wife was having a mascestomy.... you can't make this chit up. My brother who had a 30% chance of survival is now facing lung cancer. He's 48 yrs old. Candy, his wife, is bed ridden. Both of them get home care at no cost to them. THEY PAID THERE F'N TAXES AND THIS IS WHY.

All thin BS about taxes....tax this and tax that spewed by the rebaggerz is exactly that, BS!!

I'm so pi$$3d at Americans, it's hard for me to find rationale. Obama didn't do this, Obama didn't do that.... Obama can't even breathe and it's wrong.

Come on Americans.... rational and educated, OBAMA is the best thing that's happened to America in at least a century.

My hope is that OBAMA doesn't run again... Americans don't deserve him!!!!!!
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catgirl666
FDR must be rolling in his grave
02:06 AM on 09/27/2010
I believe many Americans such as myself would love the same health care Canada has. We just have right wing media in this country that doesn't represent the middle class views. However our country is still full of fools that think Fox is actually a news station. Fortunately my entire family doesn't tune into the propaganda known as Fox. We are a divided country but I believe with the changing demographic the rich white racist old folks will be soon be the minority, thank goodness.
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James Overlie
08:33 AM on 09/27/2010
Drive out the "racist old folks" and make our country better? Worked real well in Rhodesia didn't it. Now it is the perfect country called Zimbabwe!
03:35 AM on 09/27/2010
I know you couldn't possible be telling the truth, because Fox News found three people with vivid stories of how terrible the Canadian healthcare system is. ;-)

Seriously, best of luck to all of you. You're sure a helluva lot better off there than here--unless you had a couple-million-dollar-a-year income, in which case you'd probably be doing just fine. All the health care you can buy down here.
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MartyJo
If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
03:55 AM on 09/27/2010
Ironically, the wealthy here will try to buy there health.... they will pay any price to find "the cure". It's sad but true. Once those multi-millionaire/billionaire get sick, they think there money can buy there health. Doesn't work that way.

And many Americans are on the defense when it comes to there healthcare. I'm sure thats why we're socialsit medicine. Sry as I laugh! Canada took a beating throughout your healthcare debate. We were downright dem0nized.

Selective memories don't serve Americans well. There's an endless list of people, including celebrities, who've gone for treatment outside the US. Sorta like, we go to the states for some treatments, except.... WE DON'T PAY FOR IT! Oh yes, we pay higher taxes, and give me a higher tax rate anyday, and I'll keep my excellent medical care.

Don't be fooled by the lower taxes rhetoric from the GOP...... there lower taxes is for the very very rich. Unless you are very very rich, which I doubt. You will love the GOP tax breaks for the top 2% of the country.

I can hope I make some sense to the logical, rational people.
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ScapeGoat
Facts are stubborn things. Science Rocks!
01:20 AM on 09/27/2010
Ranking 37th — Measuring the Performance of the U.S. Health Care System
NEJM | January 6, 2010 | Topics: Health Care Delivery
Christopher J.L. Murray, M.D., D.Phil., and Julio Frenk, M.D., Ph.D., M.P.H.
Evidence that other countries perform better than the United States in ensuring the health of their populations is a sure prod to the reformist impulse. The World Health Report 2000, Health Systems: Improving Performance, ranked the U.S. health care system 37th in the world1 — a result that has been discussed frequently during the current debate on U.S. health care reform.
Despite the claim by many in the U.S. health policy community that international comparison is not useful because of the uniqueness of the United States, the rankings have figured prominently in many arenas. It is hard to ignore that in 2006, the United States was number 1 in terms of health care spending per capita but ranked 39th for infant mortality, 43rd for adult female mortality, 42nd for adult male mortality, and 36th for life expectancy.3 These facts have fueled a question now being discussed in academic circles, as well as by government and the public: Why do we spend so much to get so little? http://healthpolicyandreform.nejm.org/?p=2610
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
12:08 PM on 09/27/2010
If I could fan you again I would. I really like the work you do for your posts. Thanks.
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ScapeGoat
Facts are stubborn things. Science Rocks!
01:34 PM on 09/27/2010
Thank you.
I ;like your post too.
12:07 AM on 09/27/2010
I really hope Democrats stick with the idea that this was just a "work in progress" type thing. Much more still needs to be done. This was still a great thing, it's just a shame that dems want to run away from this landmark legislation!
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HST
Conservatism = selfishness
11:39 PM on 09/26/2010
"But if they want to be responsive to all Americans, there are more Democrats and independents than there are Republicans."

The above statement is a good response to the often repeated republicant talking point that America is mostly "right of center".
11:09 AM on 09/27/2010
Now if we can just convince the legislators that that 'right of center' b.s. was put out by the 'liberal media' then maybe they'll stop running away from their records and stand for something.
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Don Knowles
11:02 PM on 09/26/2010
I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_oath
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John Stopple
02:37 AM on 09/27/2010
Here's an ethical question:

Would you treat a person with x symptoms differently based on whether or not they were visiting you on a standard office clinic or in a free clinic scenario?

Does the fact that the person doesn't have insurance but needs it make a doctor less likely to do a full workup/history? Would you want to find something that is going to make it darn hard for someone to get insurance?
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bthechangeyouseek
10:31 AM on 09/27/2010
Don't you think the provider would treat the patient with the same care, the only difference might be the types and number of tests, that would not be covered. Unfortunately, doctors offices perform tests but the results come from other for profit entities. Puts a provider in an unpredictable situation.
11:11 AM on 09/27/2010
Unfortunately, I ran into one of those doctors that cared more about the type of insurance than he did about you or your baby. Those doctors do exist unfortunately.