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Obama: School Year Should Be Longer

ERICA WERNER   09/27/10 11:39 PM ET   AP

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US President Barack Obama greets a graduate after she received her diploma during commencement ceremonies for Kalamazoo Central High School at Western Michigan University arena in Kalamazoo, Michigan. AFP PHOTO/Mandel NGAN

WASHINGTON — Barely into the new school year, President Barack Obama issued a tough-love message to students and teachers on Monday: Their year in the classroom should be longer, and poorly performing teachers should get out.

American students are falling behind some of their foreign counterparts, especially in math and science, and that's got to change, Obama said. Seeking to revive a sense of urgency that education reform may have lost amid the recession's focus on the economy, Obama declared that the future of the country is at stake.

"Whether jobs are created here, high-end jobs that support families and support the future of the American people, is going to depend on whether or not we can do something about these schools," the president said in an interview on NBC's "Today" show.

U.S. schools through high school offer an average of 180 instruction days per year, according to the Education Commission of the States, compared to an average of 197 days for lower grades and 196 days for upper grades in countries with the best student achievement levels, including Japan, South Korea, Germany and New Zealand.

"That month makes a difference," the president said. "It means that kids are losing a lot of what they learn during the school year during the summer. It's especially severe for poorer kids who may not see as many books in the house during the summers, aren't getting as many educational opportunities."

Obama said teachers and their profession should be more highly honored – as in China and some other countries, he said – and he said he wanted to work with the teachers' unions. But he also said that unions should not defend a status quo in which one-third of children are dropping out. He challenged them not to be resistant to change.

And the president endorsed the firing of teachers who, once given the chance and the help to improve, are still falling short.

"We have got to identify teachers who are doing well. Teachers who are not doing well, we have got to give them the support and the training to do well. And if some teachers aren't doing a good job, they've got to go," Obama said.

They're goals the president has articulated in the past, but his ability to see them realized is limited. States set the minimum length of school years, and although there's experimentation in some places, there's not been wholesale change since Obama issued the same challenge for more classroom time at the start of the past school year.

One issue is money, and although the president said that lengthening school years would be "money well spent," that doesn't mean cash-strapped states and districts can afford it.

"It comes down to the old bugaboo, resources. It costs money to keep kids in school," said Mayor Scott Smith of Mesa, Ariz. "Everyone believes we can achieve greater things if we have a longer school year. The question is how do you pay for it."

One model is Massachusetts, where the state issues grants to districts that set out clear plans on how they would use the money to constructively lengthen instructional class time, said Kathy Christie, chief of staff at the Education Commission of the States. Obama's Education Department already is using competitions among states for curriculum grant money through its "Race to the Top" initiative.

"The federal carrots of additional money would help more states do it or schools do it in states where they don't have a state grant process," Christie said.

But the federal budget is hard-up, too. And while many educators believe students would benefit from more quality learning time, the idea is not universally popular.

In Kansas, sporadic efforts by local districts to extend the school year at even a few schools have been met by parental resistance, said state education commissioner Diane DeBacker.

"It's been tried," she said, describing one instance of a Topeka-area elementary school that scrapped year-round schooling after just one year. "The community was just not ready for kids to be in school all summer long. Kids wanted to go swimming. Their families wanted to go on vacation."

Teachers' unions say they're open to the discussion of longer classroom time, but they also say that pay needs to be part of the conversation. As for Obama's call for ousting underperforming teachers, National Education Association President Dennis Van Roekel said unions weren't the main stumbling block there, as many education reformers assert.

"No one wants an incompetent teacher in the classroom," Van Roekel said. "It's in the hiring, and in those first three to five years no teacher has the right to due process."

Separately Monday, Obama announced a goal of recruiting 10,000 teachers over the next two years in the fields of science, technology, engineering and math.

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Associated Press writers Ben Feller and Julie Pace in Washington, Karen Matthews in New York, Donna Gordon Blankinship in Seattle and Alan C. Zagier in Columbia, Mo., contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON — Barely into the new school year, President Barack Obama issued a tough-love message to students and teachers on Monday: Their year in the classroom should be longer, and poorly perf...
WASHINGTON — Barely into the new school year, President Barack Obama issued a tough-love message to students and teachers on Monday: Their year in the classroom should be longer, and poorly perf...
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09:55 AM on 10/06/2010
This is all day care oriented. Requesting that the schools do more parental jobs is what has gotten us here in the first place. So…schools should do less parenting, and parents need to be involved with their kid's schooling.
12:13 AM on 10/06/2010
It won't make any difference at all. Longer school years, cramming useless degrees down teachers throats (get your masters on the internet on the weekends), making teachers take more courses to support all those colleges on every corner of the street...blah, blah, blah. Why do they continually look at other country's scores and not at what they are doing to get those scores. Those countries stream classes,(academic, vocational, special education), students can legally leave school at 16, curriculum is standardized, and they don't have a military on which to spend education funds. It is so much more complicated than just teach more.
05:37 PM on 10/05/2010
Read this book: http://johntaylorgatto.com/chapters/index.htm

The Underground History of Education in America. It's Morpheus' red pill. It elucidates the problem and proffers solutions. It's free online. It's only 'cost' to you is time.
12:33 AM on 10/05/2010
Oh brother, where is the money to fund that?

More school days , more "drill baby drill" a.k.a "Drill & kill" rote learning and driving students crazy. Way to go , idiot America.
04:44 PM on 11/01/2010
He says that kids loose what they learn over the summer which is true.he says “or poorer kids who may not see as many books in the house during the summers, aren't getting as many educational opportunities." Which is very judge mental to me because you don’t need to be rich to read a book. Poorer kids can get free education to help them during the summer other then books. U really need to think outside the box Mr. Obama.
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11:55 PM on 10/04/2010
the students are already bored out of their minds.

more of the same will make them hostile and even more less involved.

visit a pre school then the 4th grade.

see the world of difference in their interest in learning.
ie the passion is gone.

see for yourself how we have screwed them up for any learning.

we took their passion away; their interest, tried to make them machines, robots for corp america, rote memory not learning.

a complete paradigm shift is needed everyone wants more of the same that did not work.

kind of like the repubs trickle down theory and the demos throw money at it.
11:13 AM on 10/06/2010
While I agree that there is a pervasive loss of interest in learning throughout many schools, I take exception to your sweeping generalizations that "students are already bored out of their minds" and "see for yourself how we have screwed them up for any learning." I have seen it for myself, both as a parent and a teacher, and I see encouraging exceptions to your claims every day.
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11:49 PM on 10/04/2010
I work at a school, and I think that shorter, more frequent breaks help with retention.
Maybe a month of summer, a month of winter break (after final examinations), and week long breaks here and there.
What are your ideas, fellow bloggers?
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09:42 PM on 10/04/2010
I don't believe that it is the quantity of time that is spent in the classroom and school. Students can learn how to learn and become mindful of themselves in relationship with all that is. Perhaps more time visiting museums & work sites, camping, growing vegetables, raising animals, theater-arts, and other creative ventures would be a better life for our kids, families and teachers. These closed in classrooms tend to make us dull.
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KJLSanDiego
11:51 PM on 10/04/2010
It really sucks, but here in CA, we can't charge kids for field trips, so we can't have them, because no department can afford them.
The ACLU does great things, but sometimes they go overboard.
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05:43 PM on 10/05/2010
That is absolutely not true, I live in CA and have paid for every one of my kids field trips. They try and subsidize their trips by having fund raising events, what's left is paid for by parents.
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09:41 PM on 10/04/2010
Also, many kids need the socialization they find outside of school to learn to function as social beings in the world. We'll just continue to make automatons who learn to pass tests but can't function in the real world. Professors call schools' most 'successful' students teacups or snowflakes because they crumble under the stress of a world where the answer isn't one of five choices on a bubble sheet. Kids with the strength and savvy to cope in the outside world succeed, and our test-based ranking system completely misses the point.
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09:36 PM on 10/04/2010
Adding 10% of time to a broken system means we have a longer broken system. If you're willing to invest an extra 10% into schools, use it to improve facilities, bring back extracurricular & elective programs so at-risk students will buy in to school again, and reduce class sizes so teachers can spend more one to one time with students.

However, as a teacher, I'll welcome the paybump involved in an extra three weeks of school. I'd much rather see my scenario outlined above.
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WYHKTai-Tai
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09:30 PM on 10/04/2010
I think they should shorten the summer and offset it with more days off during the year. Kids and teachers , (& some of us parents) do get fatigue that starts to drain on our performance, after only 6-8 weeks! Short breaks throughout the year would help, and the kids' retention would be better if the summer break is not so long. Who goes on vacation for 2-3 full months!?
09:14 PM on 10/04/2010
If you really want to get scared, read what an American engineer says about education in the US:

http://www.nae.edu/Publications/TheBridge/Archives/ReformingEngineeringEducation/ACallforK16EngineeringEducation.aspx
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09:40 PM on 10/04/2010
Great link. Thanks.
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08:29 PM on 10/04/2010
I wish this documentary called 2 million minutes was more accessible, because I feel a lot of people need to see it as well.

Although, people say that it falls to the parents to ensure their child is getting educated, there are a number of parents who just don't care. That is the sad truth. In these other countries it seems like it is deeply rooted in their culture for children to honor their parents' expectations and the parents will sacrifice as much as they can to invest in their children's education.

If we try to change the culture of our education system and environments for education, we can create a new consensus in which the parents are solely responsible for their kids' success. An extended school year (which I am in favor for), along with incentives for more parents to become more involved, higher teacher standards, and child therapists could change the culture.

I know it sounds rather liberal-minded, but I think "liberal-mindedness" is what we need when it comes to improving our education system. The conservative or traditional status quo system of handling our education is no longer working.
06:34 PM on 10/04/2010
As any parent with a child in a public education system in the US knows, it's not just ONE THING that causes problems in education. Like any system failure, it's a myriad of problems. Yes, there are bad teachers the same as there are bad managers, bad store clerks and bad actors. Yes, funding is an issue when you have schools in "good" areas getting updated textbooks and those in poor areas struggling with older versions or none at all.

Teacher pay is an issue - the same issue we have with cops and firemen. A lot of people scream about shrinking the government but our public servants make up a large part of that budget and we need to remember that paying them well keeps them coming back to help us and our families.

Societal issues like drugs, guns, and gangs are another issue and these don't just affect the poorer neighborhoods but the very wealty as well. Rich kids can afford better drugs and get faster cars.

I support a longer school year for one reason: kids today need to learn a lot more than I did when I was their age. We live in a fast-paced, technologically advanced world that is moving faster than we can keep up.

We need to educate kids for jobs that don't even exist yet.

The single best things we can do is not vote for people who exaccerbate the problem (like rick perry) and actively PARENT our kids every day.
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06:58 PM on 10/04/2010
We need to wake up and recognize that it has been many, many decades since our school day and our school year made sense as well as recognizing how rapidly even emerging nations are surpassing us in education.   The school year was set up to accommodate and agricultural society that has no bearing and has not had any bearing on the school year.  No, extending the number of days and hours required in the classroom will not automatically solve all of the problems in our educational system, but it is a start at choosing knowledge over ignorance.
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04:58 PM on 10/04/2010
I am soooo tired of hearing unions blamed for poor teachers. Unions don't hire teachers; administrators recommend and school boards hire. Bad teachers are bad teachers from day one. Administrators and school boards are responsible for them getting tenure. As long as administrators follow state law regarding evaluation procedures they can get rid of the bad teachers. All a union can do is protect teachers' rights. People need to quit blaming unions for the bad decisions of those who are actually in power.

I have no problem with a longer school year. I think it is a good idea. Education is a state responsibility not a federal one. Each state will have to make its own decision but paying for this will be a huge problem for many districts who are already in the red or on the verge of it.
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05:28 PM on 10/04/2010
To add to your second sentence . . . unions don't train the teachers . . . unions don't license the teachers . . . unions don't hire the teachers . . . unions don't evaluate the teachers . . . but all these yahoos blame the unions for the bad teachers being there. In my experience, almost every time you see an incompetent teacher, there's an incompetent administrator above him/her.
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05:44 PM on 10/04/2010
"...almost every time you see an incompetent teacher, there's an incompetent administrator above him/her. "

Truer words were never written.
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08:11 PM on 10/04/2010
So true, when I was in high school it felt like my principal was just hiring people he had ties to. What was even worse was that my school was in a poor, urban, predominantly black neighborhood and was essentially ignored by the county (which happened to also be the district for the State capital). If it wasn't for the I.B. program and people actually dedicated to education and excellence then I have no clue how I would have gotten into college.

And, while it's the administrators who hire the teachers, isn't it the unions who protect the teachers and make it difficult for them to be fired? Just curious.
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03:47 PM on 10/04/2010
People need to stop seeing schools as the method by which their children are educated. The school is a tool only. Parents, guardians, caretakers, etc...that's who needs to take responsibility for a broad education. Use the school, certainly, but don't expect that it's their job. Every teacher, every school is a temp in your child's education. If Microsoft goes belly up tomorrow, no one should blame the temp pool.

Integrate the school into a larger framework of discipline, learning, social skills, etc. In today's connected world, there's no excuse for not having routine communication between parents and teachers. Teachers should have confidence that when they tell a parent that Johnny has been breaking the rules the last 3-days, that the parents will be confiscating the cell phone and XBox for the weekend. Parents should have the confidence that they won't hear at the last minute that their child is about to finish the year with a D.

Education should not stop on SAT or SUN or after the bell rings. Go to a museum, schedule and enforce reading time. There needs to be some tough love. Parents need to make sure their kids are aware that a lack of education is simply not tolerated.

And, yes, it's a little harder.
07:02 PM on 10/04/2010
I agree. The school can't raise the children. This is one issue I disagree with the President on. Schools should not be day care centers because parents are asleep at the wheel or too busy to raise their kids. I think the call for a longer school day is just a fancy sleight of hand for free day care for parents who can take care of their children. Day care should be delivered as a wrap around service to the families that need day care, or kids that need tutoring or any extra help. Good students should not be forced into a slog to pick up the grades of the bottom 20% of garden variety underachieving students whatever the reason. Schools can't be our one stop shop for ad-hoc social work and social engineering. Kids have to study at home, and if no one makes them, or if they can't or won't, it won't matter how long the schoold day is. I think the President needs to work on social services for those in need them and not confuse that issue with academic education. Kids spend plenty of time in school, just not enough of that time goes to learning. If parents park their kids in front of the TV all summer, then those children might need more help, but I don't see the logic of punishing students who are taking responsibility for their work or parents willing and able to spend the time.