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U.N. Climate Talks: U.S. And China Blame Each Other For Lack Of Progress In Tianjin Negotiations

TINI TRAN   10/ 9/10 09:46 AM ET   AP

Tianjin Climate Talks

TIANJIN, China — Modest progress at U.N. climate talks Saturday was overshadowed by a continuing deadlock between China and the United States, clouding prospects for a major climate conference in Mexico in less than two months' time.

Marred by an atmosphere of mistrust, negotiations have made limited headway as the world's two largest emitters of greenhouse gases blamed each other for holding up talks.

Chief U.S. negotiator Jonathan Pershing said he was disappointed by the resistance of China and other developing nations to a major issue: allowing the monitoring and verification of their efforts to curb the greenhouse gas emissions that are blamed for global warming.

"We have made very little progress on the key issue that confronts us," he said. "These elements are a part of the deal. The lack of progress on these gives us concern about the prospects for Cancun."

Meanwhile his Chinese counterpart, Su Wei, hit back, charging developed countries with failing to commit to substantial reductions in carbon emissions while making unfair demands of developing nations. He accused the U.S. of using the transparency issue to avoid its own responsibilities to cut emissions and provide financing and technology to poor countries.

"After five years of negotiation, we have seen slow or no progress. The developed countries are trying every means possible to avoid discussion of the essential issue – that is emission reductions," he said.

The public rift over long-standing divisions between rich and poor nations threatens to jeopardize the possibility of progress at the Cancun meeting.

Delegates from more than 150 nations have been negotiating in China's northeastern city of Tianjin for the past week, working to lay the groundwork for the meeting in Mexico that starts Nov. 29.

The U.N. talks aim to secure a binding deal to curb greenhouse gases that cause global warming, but countries disagree on how to split the burden of emission cuts and how to verify them. The talks are intended to find a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol, which legally mandated modest emissions reductions and expires in 2012.

Since a binding global deal is largely out of reach for this year's meeting, negotiators have been focusing on less contentious initiatives that can lay the foundation for a legal framework that could be approved later, possibly in South Africa in 2011.

On their final day of talks, negotiators said modest progress had been made on establishing a climate fund to help poor nations, drawing up guidelines on sharing technology and deforestation issues, but expressed frustration at the overall gridlock.

"We have over the last week seen some progress but progress was slow and uneven," said EU negotiator Peter Wittoeck. "We think that a big effort will still be needed to crystallize options ... in Cancun.

Environmental groups were divided in their assessment of the week's talks, with many openly criticizing the bickering and posturing that characterized negotiations.

"At times, it has been like watching children in a kindergarten," said Wendel Trio, international climate policy director with Greenpeace.

However, others were less pessimistic, arguing that the detailed work of putting together draft proposals for Cancun has moved forward.

"We have heard of a lot of division and argument, but much of that has been performance and part of the negotiations here. Behind the scenes, they have been getting down to work this week," said Julie-Ann Richards of Climate Action Network.

Expectations had not been high coming into these negotiations, but U.N. climate chief Christiana Figueres said that despite disagreements, progress had been made in Tianjin.

"This week has got us closer to a structured set of decisions that can be agreed to in Cancun. Governments addressed what is doable in Cancun, and what may have to be left to later," she said.

Last year's U.N. climate summit in Copenhagen disappointed many environmentalists and political leaders when it failed to produce a legally binding treaty on curbing the greenhouse gases.

Scientists have warned that global warming could lead to widespread drought, floods, higher sea levels and worsening storms. Even a 3.6-degree-Fahrenheit (2-degree-Celsius) temperature rise could subject up to 2 billion people to water shortages by 2050, a U.N. panel has said.

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Associated Press Writer Joe McDonald contributed to this report.

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spread the wealth
07:38 PM on 10/15/2010
US physics professor: 'Global warming is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long life'

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100058265/us-physics-professor-global-warming-is-the-greatest-and-most-successful-pseudoscientific-fraud-i-have-seen-in-my-long-life/
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Malcolm Hensley
Last of the Reagan Republicans
11:04 PM on 10/12/2010
The hypocrisy of this just astounds me! Developing nations like China want to hold us accountable for past CO2 emissions while they zoom past us and use cheap dirty coal high in SO2 (acid rain), CO2, particulate matter (lung problems), and heavy metals (arsenic,mercury) to capture much of the green energy market. Making solar cells and big steel wind turbines is very energy intensive! To make matters much worse China has destroyed 65% of it's rain forest in the last 30 years!!!! What you thought the Chinese were giving all those panda's away out of the goodness of their heart! Wonder what future generations will think what was the greater sin against them!
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RunningBecky
Runner, nurse, chess player
08:37 PM on 10/12/2010
It's interesting how this world-wide array of top scientists all accept man-made Global warming as scientific fact. Governments across the world are scared of it even though the difficulties and sacrafices required as making an international agreement almost impossible. Now people are screaming that all these scientific groups are fraudulent schemers. Only in American is science and education in so much ill-repute and scientists equated with hucksters.
Now on the other side is the millions of dollars being poured into the anti-global warming campaign by Exxon and other energy companies along with the shrill pondifications of the right-wing commentaters (like Becky) who know nothing about the issue or science even. Then thee are the isolated scientist who usually ends up in the employ of the energy companies.
Yet, half the public choses to ignore and discretic the scientific community and blindly follow people like Glenn Beck. Now I don't know if this Richard2 is a paid shrill or so naive he actually believes the illogic he expouses. Ignorance never knows it's own limitations. But personally, I'm inclined to believe the scientific community. Sorry Beck. Sorry Imhoff. Sorry Richard. Huggs Becky
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khanti
Cultivator
12:23 AM on 10/12/2010
Perhaps US not get involved at all. Everything US has its hands on will try to control and manipulate. The UN for one. When US did not want to take part in the Kyoto Protocol, the World moved on. Bush even want to prove that there is no global warming. Their reply was if you cannot lead then let others lead. The reason the two countries are involved is because they are the biggest polluters. Both experienced the negative effects of global warming for the last two years like the longest winter, floods and droughts.
As the ancient saying when the elephant fight the ants get trampled. There is not much small nations can do. My worry is if there is no agreement now then what will happen after the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012? Already some countries want out if US introduce monitoring comes through. Will all those agreement made in Japan be void? In the near future the World temperature
will rise by 4 degrees C. Flooding, drought, hot spells and many natural disasters will be common features. At least the scientists can agree to this.
So little we did for the good of the Earth but so much bad we have done in polluting Mother Earth.
humans have become like a cancer cell to her.
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ErnestineBass
No longer a cog in The Machine.
04:48 PM on 10/11/2010
Let me get this straight...

The Chinese have spent the last two decades despoiling their country's environment producing cheap crrrap for American corporations like Wal Mart in order to satiate an American "consumer class" that just can't seem to live without lots and lots of cheap crrrap...and yet, WE are now demanding that the Chinese clean up their act?

Hmmm...is it just me, or is there something very wrong with this picture?
04:22 PM on 10/11/2010
Both the U.S. and China are guilty of obstructing progress in these negotiations. It is becoming more evident every passing day that climate change will affect us severely because these two nations refuse to act.
02:37 PM on 10/11/2010
Well, so much for America's so-called self-titled reign as The World's Only Superpower. China spent the 70s, 80s and 90s building up their manufacturing industries and they spent the last decade DOUBLING their number of colleges and universities. They are about to become the white-collar center of the world and we aren't going to recover from that. Rural China, Africa, India and Southeast Asia are going to be provide cheap $1-2 a day labor to enable this shift to become a reality. Africa is going to be to China what China was to us since the 80s. We're done, folks. Stick a fork in us. Our political infighting can't compete with their 100 Year Plan (which will be completed in half the time). Our ship of fools is going to go down with everyone screaming and pointing at each other.

Let George Carlin explain America to you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI&feature=related
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jJohnson1
02:19 PM on 10/11/2010
I'm not sure what the U.S. can say about China's environmental issues or regulations since they rival our own. Our politicians have done nothing more than grandstand and use the environment as a talking point but when it comes time for action they fold. Meanwhile China is investing to clean up and cut down on emissions. But while China re-invests in it's future we cannot even get a light rail built? I think the United States need to put up or shut up. another positive point for the implimentation of an energy and emissions overhaul is the amount of new jobs it would create for many years.
02:10 PM on 10/11/2010
if you don't have anything nice (or productive) to say....
don't say anything at all.

stop arguing about what caused the problem, and work together to find a solution.

it's not rocket science dummys.
01:58 PM on 10/11/2010
Another Scientist talking about the corruption that is driving AGW ...

http://thegwpf.org/ipcc-news/1670-hal-lewis-my-resignation-from-the-american-physical-society.html