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Is Teachers Union Scrubbing Al Shanker's Legacy?

First Posted: 10/14/10 03:32 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:00 PM ET

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The American Federation of Teachers, the second-largest teachers union in the country, claims to respect the legacy of longtime president Al Shanker. On its Website, it praises the late Shanker as a "relentless proponent of democracy and freedom" whose "ideas seem as potent and relevant today as they were during his 23 years as AFT president."

But the union, whose president Randi Weingarten is at the heart of the heated national debate over the abysmal state of education in the country, recently dropped Shanker's legendary speeches from its Website, which are now only accessible through a link to a research library at Wayne State University. The deletion of the speeches by Shanker, who was known for his passionate leadership and his openness to reform, has alarmed some reform advocates who feel the union is resistant to reform.

Chester Finn, Jr., a former Assistant Secretary of Education and current president of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, told The Huffington Post that it is a "pity" that the union's Website no longer has Shanker's speeches. Asked if he thinks that the union is living up to Shanker's legacy, he replied:

"I'm not sure anything is living up to its legacy nowadays, with partisanship and self interest the dominant motivators of just about everything in the policy sphere. The Democratic party isn't living up to the legacy of Jefferson, Kennedy, Hubert Humphrey, Harry Truman. The GOP isn't living up to the legacy of Lincoln, Reagan, etc. It's sad but not exactly surprising that the AFT is behaving likewise, living for the moment, for the ideology, etc. (I also think the teacher unions are increasingly desperate, besieged -- and arguably losing -- on multiple fronts.)

A spokesman for the AFT explained that the site was redesigned earlier this year in an effort to "focus more on current information and activities of our members, while still helping visitors gain access to historical materials -- such as the Shanker speeches -- maintained elsewhere. For years, the AFT archivist has been a member of the faculty at Wayne State University, and many of the historical materials are maintained there at the Reuther Library. So it seemed to make sense to link to that more complete collection."

Though Weingarten has often praised Shanker, the union has questioned some of the reforms he promoted, such as national competency tests for teachers and the widespread growth of charter schools.

Weingarten has been praised by reform advocates in recent weeks for her support of the Baltimore teachers contract, which will base pay on professional development training, join management-teacher evaluation and measure student achievement, a career ladder system advocated by Shanker.

Shanker, a cantankerous personality, dubbed a "fierce liberal" often stressed the importance of teacher accountability and merit pay for teachers.

In one of the speeches that is not available on the site or at the research library, "Al Shanker Speaks on Unions and Collective Bargaining," he said:

As long as there are no consequences if kids or adults don't perform, as long as the discussion is not about education and student outcomes, then we're playing a game as to who has the power...


What would happen if we had a system where you had pay for performance in the sense of a series of graded sets of rewards depending upon student outcome? Let's imagine that this September a system goes into effect where five years from now all the teachers in schools that made the most progress in student achievement could get bonuses of $30,000; in other less successful schools, they could get bonuses of $5,000; and in others they could get cost-of-living increases; in schools that made little or no progress, the teachers' salaries would be frozen; and the worst schools could be closed down, the faculties dismissed, and the school later reopened on some sort of restructured basis by a faculty from, let's say, the top schools, like a bankruptcy and hostile takeover.

In that speech, he also admitted that many teachers are underqualified -- an issue that has dogged the union, since reports emerged about rubber rooms, where incompetent teachers were taken out of the classroom but paid to sit in a room all day. Shanker said:

"In our system, we have a large number of teachers who have not reached even very low levels of literacy and numeracy."

Shanker stirred up controversy within the union during the 1970s with his support of the Vietnam War but he is lionized for leading a series of strikes during the 1960s that created collective bargaining rights for teachers. Though he was known for leading the union to generate new ideas in education, he was also fiercely protective of teachers, once quipping: "When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."

His overall legacy has been praised by a wide range of education officials, including New York City's Chancellor Joel Klein, who told The Huffington Post in a statement:

"He expressed a vision for reform almost 20 years ago that is today cutting edge - professionalizing teaching through real accountability, rewarding success, consequences for non-performance; bringing charters, choice and competition so that we can focus on great schools, not the label on a school; and using technology to transform the way we instruct children. I hope his visionary words are fully embraced."

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This story has been updated The American Federation of Teachers, the second-largest teachers union in the country, claims to respect the legacy of longtime president Al Shanker. On its Website, it pr...
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olddognewtrick
Half full or half empty...It's the same
08:39 PM on 10/19/2010
I had one on my lip once...and it hurt like heck...
09:48 PM on 10/18/2010
"I'm not sure anything is living up to its legacy nowadays, with partisanship and self interest the dominant motivators of just about everything in the policy sphere."

Well said, and sadly, quite true.
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FearlessFreep
I'm actually a radical leftist
04:34 PM on 10/15/2010
"The GOP isn't living up to the legacy of Lincoln, Reagan, etc." Oh, they're living up to Reagan's legacy, all right! (Be afraid. Be very afraid.)
12:11 PM on 10/15/2010
Baram has wrriten a terribly biased attack on the techers' union AFT. First of all, he talks about "reform" and "reform" advocates who again are promoting totally discredited policies of charter schools and standardized testing. Advocating these policies is not "reform." Attacking teacher's unions helps those who would like to pay teachers less and strip them of benefits--very good for profit-making companies.

I'm all for improving the public schools with real improvements not the shoddy non-reforms that Baram advocates. By the way public schools over the last 20 years have been using more computers, teaching computer-based research, and includIing SMART classrooms where teachers can go online as part of lessons. These improvements have been going on. Public school teachers have taken trainings in using SMART classrooms. What's stopping these innovations is financial cutbacks and attacks on teachers. Continue assaulting teachers and teachers' unions and you stop the real innovations cold, but the socalled reformers that Baram is speaking about are all about power over teachers and scapegoating teachers, not improving education.
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OP3366
11:12 PM on 10/15/2010
The problem with "reform" is that there is always a reform du jour. When radios first sold on a national scale, education reformers thought they had found a magic bullet. One magic bullet after the other, and can't we finally admit there are many paths to achieving the goals for better education, including charter schools. Some have been profoundly successful; others are still finding their way. Some have simply failed. You write them off as a discredited policy as though there is universal agreement.

And for the record, yes computers can be great in the classroom...but how many kids do we lose because they spend most of their time on Facebook and shopping and playing games and forgetting how to think critically?
10:13 PM on 10/18/2010
charter schools have been discredited now eh? I guess that explains why most are oversubscribed...must be something about them that those families really hate!
05:29 PM on 10/19/2010
Aside from NYC where is your evidence that "most" are oversubscribed? ..... Yeah, that's what I thought.
09:19 AM on 10/15/2010
Let me make a note of this author's name--Marcus Baram--because I never want to read anything he writes on education again. This article is completely inaccurate. Sorry if that seems like an ad hominem attack. Al Shanker was initially for charter schools, then he swore off them, as he felt they were gimmicky. And when Baram quotes Shanker on merit pay--Shanker is speaking AGAINST merit pay, not for it. So in one article, Baram obliquely criticizes Weingarten, and completely misleads readers about Shanker's legacy. Nice going.
09:09 AM on 10/15/2010
For those who are interested, this is perhaps a more useful link to the AFT (Al Shanker) speeches http://www.reuther.wayne.edu/taxonomy/term/91
08:23 AM on 10/15/2010
I hope everybody who reads this article gets a chance to check out the very first comment posted about it.
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
01:15 PM on 10/15/2010
So do you support our current public education regime?
10:38 PM on 10/15/2010
"...and why or why not?"

Right?

I suppose I could note your absence of response to the post I referenced, or try and point out some of the issues I have with the question itself, but I'll just offer this instead:

I am not, and have never been, a member of any teachers' union. That is neither a political statement nor a declaration of any kind of intent. I just have a thing for tightropes. They scare me, and I like that.

Now, when you're ready to discuss why America's certainty that education was failing and falling prey to a lack of standards has lasted almost since the Civil War...and how strange that seems in conjunction with America's 20th century successes and growth...that interests me a whole lot more.
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knightoftheroundtable
Old Knight without porfolio or armor
11:15 PM on 10/14/2010
Lets be fair, things change with time. Our nation is not the same, teaching is not the same. I think he did a wonderful job for that period in our history.
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Vegan Girl
Compassion for all
10:55 PM on 10/14/2010
I have another thing on my mind for a while now. It drives me crazy to constantly hear about innovation in education.

First of all, it is innovation that brought down our financial sector and the economy with it.

Second, I grew up and got educated in Europe and will be forever grateful for that education. There was a national curriculum that followed an old, successful tradition. Fine, let's innovate. But how about keeping what works? American education was good some time ago and we innovated it into chaos.
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
10:59 PM on 10/14/2010
No, the problem is that the public school system has not innovated over the years. They're stuck in the 70's.
11:07 PM on 10/14/2010
I teach very differently than my teachers taught me in the 70's. What fact do you base your comment on?

The only way to improve the schools will be take what is good from the old, like the topics to be taught, and combine them with the new, like using technology to present the material. Vegan Girl is right that there was too much innovation in the 1980's and we are still recovering from that but there is much good going on in our schools. We need to build on what works and change what doesn't.

fossophy, when was the last time you volunteered to help in one of your local schools? Do you speak from experience, or just spew opinions?
07:46 AM on 10/15/2010
I'm not so sure that innovation is what brought down the economy, or education. The larger demon is performance based pay. Time after time, research shows that performance based pay only works to improve performance on repetitive tasks with a clear goal. Any time the task requires creativity, pay incentives decrease performance. This is nicely summarized in this TED talk http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html
Education needs to move away from the industrial model. It's a new world. Information is no longer what needs to be taught, we can all get instant access to information from our phones and iPods. We need to be teaching how to evaluate and use that information.
10:44 PM on 10/14/2010
A point of clarification.... Shaker and other early supporters of charters envisioned them as being singular laboratories of innovation that if successful, could be replicated in ALL schools. The intent was NOT for them to compete with each other and with traditional public and private schools. So now instead of sharing best practices and resources, schools are trying to compete with each other and the most politically connected charter conglomerates with the most money are winning the competition. I doubt Shanker would support teacher evaluations that are based almost entirely on problematic and incomplete standardized methods either.
11:00 PM on 10/14/2010
There are some critical problems our education system must deal with and all the talk of competition gets in the way. We need the laboratory of charter schools but they must be willing to share. The way most are set up now that would be like asking Apple Computer to give all their work to MicroSoft. Since they are competitors, that will not happen. Competition is not the answer.

I have no problem with standardized tests as a tool but definitely should not be the determining factor in teacher evaluation. More resources need to go to sharing best practices. As far as I can tell the school or district must pay for someone to come teach a school how to be better. Maybe part of the funding from the state or federal level could be designated to help that. Let the decisions be made locally on just what is best for their school.

The last survey I saw said most people in the nation are convinced the education system is failing as a nation but their local school does okay. Some are deluded yes, but many are correct. Let local schools have some of the money to bring in best practices while those in the most trouble get more help. Instead of blaming teachers for all the problems give them a choice. Learn the best practices and use them, or go down the road. Almost every teacher I know would love to be helped be better at their job.
10:43 PM on 10/14/2010
The original point of unions in America was to discriminate against blacks in the mid west mining industry.

Now the point of teacher unions is to promote hopelessness of black students due to tenured apathy at most inner city schools.
10:50 PM on 10/14/2010
Wow, you've got a bizarre take on history. Btw, the first unions were craft guilds.
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
11:00 PM on 10/14/2010
Non is correct... he/she's referring to the unions in the 20th century.
10:40 PM on 10/14/2010
floss,

Please use sources that are less than 30 years old. All those ideas on choice and the free market have been proven wrong since they have been extensively tried the last 20 years.
10:42 PM on 10/14/2010
Fanned back ;)

Woud fan you double if I could.
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
11:03 PM on 10/14/2010
That is not true.

Who is 'proving them wrong'? the lefties? the teachers unions?

They have not been extensively tried... but where they have been tried, they worked.

It is stunning to me that so many people defend this failed system... and scoff at systems which are known to work. Why do you think that is?
09:56 AM on 10/15/2010
Flossy,
They've proved themselves to be sometimes as effective as public schools, and often worse.

A study from the National Center for the Study of Privatization in Education published in January 2006 found that students in regular public schools do as well or significantly better than comparable students in private and charter schools.

This large-scale study, financed by the U.S. Department of Education, compared 4th and 8th grade math scores of more than 340,000 students in 13,000 regular public, charter and private schools on the 2003 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), commonly called "the nation's report card." See: http://www.ncspe.org/publications_files/OP111.pdf
10:37 PM on 10/14/2010
Look deeper into this issue, people.

Corporatist Propaganda, (in this case union-busting and the drive toward the WalMartization of our schools): It ain't just for conservatives any more.
10:37 PM on 10/14/2010
fanned
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
10:42 PM on 10/14/2010
Think of public schools like a giant monopolistic government EduCorp.

You misunderstand what corporatism is.

Government-run education facilities are the very definition of corporatism.... State control over industries... in this case the education industry.
10:45 PM on 10/14/2010
Yes, let private companies run it all. Let them be police, fire department, education, everything.

Let's go back to the Dark Ages when the companies were the king and his family.

If you keep the details of running the school at a local level it is in the hands of the people much more so than if a private company runs it.
10:46 PM on 10/14/2010
I would use neofeudalism/ neofeudalists which would be more accurate (and sometimes do) but most don't understand it, so I use corporatism/ corporatists in they current popular definition. (Btw, I believe you already know that, perfectly well.)
10:32 PM on 10/14/2010
"When school children start paying union dues, that's when I'll start representing the interests of school children."

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What a true American A$$hole. Talk about killing our society faster than any banker ever could. Every single F0X News viewer is a product of a bad education system. Our future which is 100% dependent on our education system is 1 million times more important than some unqualified teacher's job. Please quit ruining this country those of you who support bad teachers over this country's future.
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
10:34 PM on 10/14/2010
Agreed.
10:41 PM on 10/14/2010
Even more of a joke is that anyone, past or present, would call Shanker, a "liberal"--even with the weirdly-hard-right-skewing of the U.S. political planet that has wildly redefined that term over the course of recent decades. As I recall it, no one, and I mean, no one in the sixties ever called him any such thing.
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flossophy
Liberalism is not liberal.
11:09 PM on 10/14/2010
He was a socialist.

A true believer.
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BlackBuddha
I didn't mean to, I meant to
10:29 PM on 10/14/2010
/Are the teachers from Glenn Beckistan University part of the union?