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Prop Traders Move To Hedge Funds

Huffington Post   First Posted: 10/15/10 05:15 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:05 PM ET

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If Wall Street is getting "boring" in response to new regulations, the traders themselves are resisting that trend.

Bloomberg News reports that "dozens" of proprietary traders at banks worldwide are planning on starting hedge funds, according to a Stuart Hendel a UBS executive who said he spoke with the traders. "In the next 12 months, there is going to be much more of a startup phase than there has been in the last couple of years," Hendel said.

The July financial reform legislation placed future limits on banks' ability to bet with their own accounts. It didn't prohibit proprietary trading entirely -- former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, for whom the rule was named, was "disappointed" with the weakened final version -- but banks have taken action apparently intended to help them adapt. As big banks, such as JPMorgan, Goldman Sachs and Bank of America, said they would eliminate or trim their prop trading units, Wall Street seems to be returning, as the Wall Street Journal reported, to its traditional, "boring" ways.

But the prop traders will have none of it. In addition to starting hedge funds, some will be hired at existing funds. The WSJ reports that Graham Capital Management, a $7 billion Connecticut hedge fund, plans to hire up to 12 proprietary traders in the coming months. What makes these traders attractive, the WSJ notes, is that they use their brains to make decisions, rather than computer algorithms, which have lately been in vogue.

Former prop traders are in demand worldwide. In Japan, Bloomberg reports in another story, up to 27 new hedge funds will open for business in the coming year, and those funds want prop traders to work for them. "Experiences and track records that ex-prop traders have will be especially significant in a market like Japan," Hideki Hashiguchi, a managing director at ABN Amro Fund Services, told Bloomberg.

Earlier this week, Bloomberg reported that Goldman Sachs prop traders, who are leaving the bank to start a hedge fund in Hong Kong, hired another Goldman employee, who will also leave the firm.

In his Bloomberg column last month, author Michael Lewis speculated that banks are winding down prop trading not because they need to but because they've realized other business practices are more lucrative. Prop traders, he said, are "fleeing for the privacy of hedge funds."

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If Wall Street is getting "boring" in response to new regulations, the traders themselves are resisting that trend. Bloomberg News reports that "dozens" of proprietary traders at banks worldwide are ...
If Wall Street is getting "boring" in response to new regulations, the traders themselves are resisting that trend. Bloomberg News reports that "dozens" of proprietary traders at banks worldwide are ...
 
 
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12:42 PM on 10/19/2010
Thank you Senator Dodd.
07:57 PM on 10/18/2010
Time to either start TAXing hedge funds at a higher rate or outlaw them, but we have to do something because otherwise we are going to have 'another' crisis on our hands.
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Shouterguy
Citizens united against Citizens United
06:05 PM on 10/17/2010
We can sell our plasma.
03:07 PM on 10/17/2010
Do yourselves a favor and use your brains before you comment on these matters for given the current discussion, 99% of you don't know what you're talking about.
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DiogenesOfAlaska
Mitt Romney for president - of the Cayman islands!
03:01 PM on 10/17/2010
They can prop trade all they like, as long as it's not with other people's money or implicit taxpayer backing.

Mission on its way to being accomplished.
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05:42 AM on 10/16/2010
"What makes these traders attractive, the WSJ notes, is that they use their brains to make decisions, rather than computer algorithms, which have lately been in vogue."

Those algorithms, which slice and dice pennies, were responsible for the "flash crash" of May 6 and blamed on just one Kansas investment firm. But wait: http://www.counterpunch.org/martens10042010.html

And it's not the only time that kind of trading has affected the worldwide stock market: http://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfactor/computing/it/stock-exchanges-at-risk-from-rogue-trading-algorithms

Hedging in any form is just more gambling with the future of the US, no matter how it's accomplished. Those traders will simply set up their own algorithms for maximum impact and profit. The casino carries on...
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joebaggadonuts
Civilization: Evolutionary pathway of choice.
06:33 AM on 10/16/2010
At least they are leaving the banking system. Maybe mortgages can be mortgages again instead of a piece of a rotten CDO.
11:46 AM on 10/16/2010
One has nothing to do with another, prop traders don't waste their time in structured products for the most part, this is just a rearrangement of the deck chairs on the ship.
11:52 AM on 10/16/2010
You clearly don't understand prop trading, hedging I a group of strategies that may or mAy not be used by a hedge fund... Waddel
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05:00 AM on 10/16/2010
parasites moved on.
04:26 AM on 10/16/2010
Regulating banks apparently would pep up the hedge fund industry

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moby49
I will act as if what I do makes a difference.
03:47 AM on 10/16/2010
These "traders" are nothing but gamblers and speculators. They distort markets and do nothing to generate capital or jobs. They should be taxed on every transaction just like a gambler at the casino.
11:56 AM on 10/16/2010
Why do you think speculation Is a bad thing? When farmers hedge price risk or when coca Cola hedges interest rate risk they need someone to take he other side of the trade and if speculators weren't there to take the other side they'd have to find someone hedging their own opposite position. That would basically be like throwing away currency so we could go back to an inefficient bartering system
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11:41 PM on 11/20/2010
When someone purchases a home it is a gamble, not that different from playing craps. Problem is some people feel they deserve to win and forget that a loss may be the outcome. Taxpayers should not be expected to pay for another person's gamble, and loss, whether it be a house in the burbs or a house of cards.
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Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
03:12 AM on 10/16/2010
More off-shore expatriation of taxes.
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09:20 PM on 10/15/2010
they don't make things, they make things up via fraud.
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ibsteve2u
Someone who cares - to his unending regret
06:44 PM on 10/15/2010
Hedge funds again, a?

I keep expecting them to unleash all of the liquidity that "flood-up/trickle-down" economics, deregulation, and inequitable free trade has so dangerously concentrated on the hydrocarbons or food commodities and blow America right into the ocean....
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06:24 PM on 10/15/2010
Tax em.
06:05 PM on 10/15/2010
Then quietly the banks will buy a stake in the hedge fund. Business as usual. Now you know why Wall Street's exemption from state's Bucket Show Laws (Illegal Gambling) is still law of the land. So much for "Financial Reform".
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valeskas
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04:49 PM on 10/15/2010
People, please be careful, they just talked about it yesterday on TV, that the same people who played with our money the few years back , are still with those companies and you will lose even more.
04:58 PM on 10/15/2010
No this article states the exact opposite, actually.
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valeskas
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05:00 PM on 10/15/2010
Yesterday, on NBC in the morning they spoke about this.
11:59 AM on 10/16/2010
Hedge funds didn't play with your money unless you asked them to and are allowed to fail because they for the most part haven't been a systemic threat since ltcm in the 90s. don't confuse the causes of the crisis