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DoJ Accused Of Hypocrisy For Appealing DADT While Letting Park Proselytizing Ruling Stand

First Posted: 10/21/10 03:21 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:05 PM ET

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Less than a week before the Obama administration's Department of Justice appealed a judge's ruling that the military's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy is unconstitutional, it elected to let stand a court ruling allowing religious groups to proselytize in federal parks.

In a little-noticed decision last Thursday, the DoJ let stand a U.S. Court of Appeals ruling that small groups wishing to gather and demonstrate at national parks no longer have to obtain a permit from the National Park Service. The Department's decision to let that ruling stand while challenging, days later, U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips' decision to overturn DADT on constitutional grounds are not topically related. But it did spur another round of criticism that the administration is either insensitive or hypocritical when it comes to gay rights.

"In the very same week, the administration says that it absolutely must appeal a federal court's decision on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' while it orders the Justice Department not to appeal a federal court's ruling in favor of the conservative Alliance Defense Fund. This contradiction is simply incomprehensible and insulting," said Alexander Nicholson, Executive Director of Servicemembers United.

Nicholson's statement echoed similar arguments from gay-rights activists (including Ted Olson, the Bush administration's solicitor general) who have challenged the notion that the DoJ must defend the laws on the books, regardless of how objectionable they are. But there is an important political nuance that separates DADT from the park service's regulation and guided the department's thinking with respect to both.

As a DoJ official points out: "one key difference is that the park service is a regulation (not a statute) as opposed to DADT," which was an act of Congress. " A regulation is an executive branch creation, as such, the president is able to modify or rescind [it]."

"DADT falls within the obligation to defend/follow laws passed by Congress that are reasonable deemed constitutional."

This is not a distinction without a difference. On Wednesday, the Associated Press quoted a number of prominent legal figures, including former solicitor generals (though not Olson), who affirmed that the Department of Justice has to execute acts of Congress or risk open legal quarreling between the executive and legislative branches. There are exemptions. But they are rare.

Speaking to the Huffington Post on condition of anonymity, a top legal scholar stressed that the DoJ is acting consistently with respect to DADT and the park service laws. The same informal guidelines that guide department policy with respect to congressional law don't necessarily hold true with respect to administration regulations or orders.

"My hunch would be that the clue is the idea of a regulation," said the scholar. "DADT is a law passed by the Congress of the United States. And the park service was an administration regulation, which has been promulgated by administrative procedures. My hunch would be, that that differentiation is significant."

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Less than a week before the Obama administration's Department of Justice appealed a judge's ruling that the military's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy is unconstitutional, it elected to let stand a court ...
Less than a week before the Obama administration's Department of Justice appealed a judge's ruling that the military's Don't Ask Don't Tell policy is unconstitutional, it elected to let stand a court ...
 
 
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Kyle Carlson
Progressive Professional Millennial
02:01 PM on 10/29/2010
We need to change tactics to make DADT even more of a painful PR issue for the White House.

There are different levels of judicial review of the constitutionality of a given statute. The easiest standard for a suspect statute to overcome is the “Mere Rationality Standard.” To pass the rationality standard for constitutionality a statute must 1) pursue a legitimate state objective (state as in gov’t, not as in 50 states) and 2) the means chosen to pursue this objective must be rationally related to the objective.

Here’s where the PR attack comes in. Ask Obama/Ax/Gibbs/Whoever what the legitimate state objective of DADT is, then ask them how DADT is rationally related to achieving that objective.

For example:
Press Secretary Gibbs, is DADT a rational method to achieve increased unit cohesion in the military?
President Obama, you’ve stated DADT harms unit moral/cohesion and damages military readiness, as a constitutional scholar, do you believe DADT rationally pursues a legitimate state interest?

The answer will either directly lead to the conclusion that DADT fails the mere rationality standard (i.e. is unconstitutional and should not be defended in court), OR
The answer will show a prominent WH official saying they think DADT is rational – a serious flip-flop and slam on the GLBT community.
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
05:35 PM on 10/22/2010
I honestly don't see the harm of either of them. Let them have a big ol' baptism if they want; just leave me out of it and let DADT die. Don't challenge either one. But if Obama ends up leaving the knife in our backs, I say send a contingent of angry Stonewall drag queens in with the Sisters of Perpetual Mercy to sing "Your Son Will Come Out Tomorrow" while attempting to baptize every preacher in Yellowstone.
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pakaal
Pigs, in cages, on antibiotics
01:18 PM on 10/22/2010
Holder's handling of the court case is reprehensible. Just let the ruling stand, and let people serve who wish to serve.

This is ridiculous.
09:06 PM on 10/22/2010
Let which DADT ruling stand? Pietrangelo v. Gates that was appealed to the Supreme court last year?
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WhereIsTheTruth
We need more chlorine in the gene pool!
11:44 PM on 10/22/2010
Thank you! I'm so glad to find someone else who gets how our judicial system works!
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RationalRadioJack
Sexiest Man Alive
01:16 PM on 10/22/2010
Eric Holder.......a darker version of George Bush but twice the conservative.

He says that he will prosecute pot users in California even if they make it legal..........yep that seem fair.

He says...NO TO HOMOS but HELL YES TO XTIANS. yep that seems fair.
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04:51 PM on 10/22/2010
The Holder apple doesn't fall far from the Obama tree.
12:58 PM on 10/22/2010
Both are pre-election caving to the extrene right wing.
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01:39 PM on 10/22/2010
Obama could bite the head off babies live on TV and some people here would still say "Oh well he's only been in power two years so give him a chance."

Given that fact it only makes sense for Obama to move to the right : his base is pushing him to the right all the time.
11:35 AM on 10/22/2010
While i am disappointed at both outcome here, they are really not equal in anyway. DADT is a law enacted by Congress. The other is some paper pusher admin rule. If Congress actuall had passed a law requiring the permit (which is not specific to religion, any group wishing to gather for any reason had to get one) then this would be apples to apples. But its not.

The re-enactment group i play with wanted to do a battle in a national park last year. We had to jump through the permit hoops too.
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11:48 AM on 10/22/2010
Your federal government--all three branches of it--are charged with upholding the Constitution--permits and laws are all under the subjection of that and under the jurisdiction of the third branch--the Judicial Branch. The point here is when the DoJ decides to fight for something and when it doesn't. But in both cases, whether they do or don't falls under DoJ policy.
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cybersense
12:11 PM on 10/22/2010
It's an issue about a permit. Not about who can, and who can't. And that is merely regulatory, not a law that had been enacted in congress. A permit for size of a group.
Anyone has a right to be in those parks, it is only about having functions, and a permit for those functions. That is it. Kind of puny compared to DADT. And DADT is a terrible law, but it is a law. The judge who banned this law, is on the lower end of the court (federal) and the authority in that arena is too small for other courts not to conflict with it. It doesn't serve high enough to reach. If you are going to appeal on something you basically agree with, but want it upheld, you appeal it on something you can, and not go after the part you agree with. This is now in the Federal court of appeals, and it is a good step.
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Kris Bui
11:18 AM on 10/22/2010
Sam, did you write this article just to show off you know a big word?
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cal5000
11:02 AM on 10/22/2010
So why cant tax payers preach in a state park? You could just as easily push Atheism in a state park, so what?

This false equivalency attack on the DoJ is insane--one involves National Defense and the military DURING 2 wars.

The other involves mythology in a wide open space--not the same thing.

Seriously, I feel for the gays getting pwned but thats a horrible comparison to make--it sounds like whining.
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11:50 AM on 10/22/2010
Uh, we do not suspend our laws during times of war. That's what the last president tried to do, and even the Roberts court refused to allow that to happen. The equivalency here is the instance of DoJ discretion to file, defend against, intervene in, or let stand a court's decision.
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cybersense
12:13 PM on 10/22/2010
There is a difference, no? About a regulation issue of a permit, then a law? yes?

I see one. And it is pretty big.
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cal5000
12:45 PM on 10/22/2010
The nationla park thing is a permit issue, not destabilizing the DoD during two wars.

You cant suspend a law that seems unjust without appeals either--THATS the whole point. Its a process, not the opinion of one judge.

Go through the entire process instead of rushing to a conclusion that you may find pleasant.

Its selfish to argue they shouldnt appeal.
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tribilin219
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09:20 AM on 10/22/2010
I don't know about you but I think Mr. Holder is a useless Good for nothing sell out and should be kicked out of he's job! He has done nothing for this country or the people he is supposed to work for, It's like Gonzalez is still in Washington? When is this Guy going to start to earn he's money? What a waste of tax payer money, He should be looking in to all that money the crook's from the banks and wall st. stole from the American people and try to get it back and put a few of them in jail, But no, he's into DADT, and Pot in Cal. What a clown, You don't have to tell me who's side this Joke of an Attorney General is on! The best AG special interest money can buy!
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cal5000
11:03 AM on 10/22/2010
Youre a loon.
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RationalRadioJack
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01:17 PM on 10/22/2010
No you are a loon for continuing to buy into their BULLSH*T.
12:35 PM on 10/22/2010
Agreed. Holder and the Obama Administration apparently feel the laws should only apply to the "little people"; plutocrats and corprocrats can loot the country willy-nilly and get rewarded to the tune of trillions.
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grf67
09:12 AM on 10/22/2010
Obama and his DOJ are both disappointments. First for not enforcing our laws against torture and now for appealing a good ruling that they are too weak to manage. Both have joined the repubs and turned into military cowards.
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AZreb
equal-opportunity Independent heathen
09:07 AM on 10/22/2010
Oh, goody, goody - now we can expect to be harrassed by religious groups in federal parks. "Come see the Grand Canyon and listen to the religious ranting and raving as you look at nature's wonders."

This Department of Justice leaves a lot to be desired and is becoming a laughing stock to many of us. Will we have any recourse against the religious groups when they harrass and intimidate us or would that be too much to ask for? The DoJ would probably rule against us for not allowing them their "religious freedom".
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cal5000
12:37 PM on 10/22/2010
Really, they harrass you at a National Park?

Every religious person Ive EVER seen pushing their gimmick hasnt gotten out of line when Ive said 'no thanks,' they simply say 'have a blessed day or something goofy.'

Its not that big a deal--but Im straight and live like their Lord intended.

If its an issue for gays, they should sue--but I dont see handing out Bibles in front of
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01:44 PM on 10/22/2010
Still they are annoying like panhandlers.
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independentjukebox
07:55 AM on 10/22/2010
The govt has to appeal these cases as a mandate because its congressional law. there is no if and or but's about it.

if not imagine a republican led judiciary or better yet imagine if Rand Paul was president and someone started a case against the civil rights act- In this case even with Rand Paul's personal views of eliminating the civil rights act, he would have to direct his judicial arm to appeal against any threat to the civil rights act because it was passed by the congress. Get it now?

the park ruling was not a congressional ruling/law - hence different.
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cybersense
10:13 AM on 10/22/2010
And - the only difference with that park regulation, compared to before - is the permit to gather based on size of groups. That's it.
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11:51 AM on 10/22/2010
Please feel free to review the DoJ's website for whether it has to do that or not.
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independentjukebox
12:25 PM on 10/22/2010
has to do what? come again...
01:05 AM on 10/22/2010
LISTEN UP, people! The Attorney General is, according to our Constitution, Congress' lawyer just as much as the President's. The AG, and everyone at DOJ, is sworn to uphold the Constitution and the laws of the United States---NOT the policy preferences of the White House. There's been a lot of ignorant reporting on this story, labeling the decision to go for a stay on DADT the "Obama Administration's decision." Well, no. It's the AG's decision, and the AG works for Congress as well as for the President. It's well documented that people in the white House were asking DOJ not to go for a stay. That puts DOJ in a tough spot: defend Congress' law, or abandon the law in favor of the President's policy preference? Put that way it's an easy call; DOJ is obligated to defend the law. And if you think that's wrong, think about where we'd have been if Reagan's DOJ had elevated the Gipper's policy preferences over congressionally enacted statutes like the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Voting rights Act, Americans With Disabilities Act, and so much more. The AG doesn't & can't just take political marching orders from the White house and place them above the law. If that becomes the precedent, the rule of law is doomed.
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
09:10 AM on 10/22/2010
The Bush admin's DOJ didn't seem to have any problems with doing what the admin wanted them to do. Heck they even did what the GOP contributors wanted them to do in spite of Congress, laws, or Supreme Court decisions over the history of the United States!
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cal5000
12:38 PM on 10/22/2010
THIS ISNT BUSH'S ADMINSTRATION

What are you 5?

"Bush did it too..."

Grow up!
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Beware the monsters lurking in word swamps.
11:53 AM on 10/22/2010
All of those acts and laws are under the purview of the Constitution. They are all subject to a test of constitutionality. Parts of those laws have always been challenged and are still being challenged. The lower court has found an act of Congress unconstitutional.
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KillgoreTrout43
12:30 AM on 10/22/2010
If they are NOT elected
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Aerows
12:38 AM on 10/22/2010
Pandering to all sides is essentially forfeiting the election. Democrats need to get that. This is why we are having this argument to again with, because this is blatant pandering on the side of the Obama Administration. Take a d@mn stand.
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Aerows
12:39 AM on 10/22/2010
"to begin with". Typo
10:25 AM on 10/22/2010
IS THIS YOUR PICTURE? YOU LOOK LIKE A RESURRECTED YOUNGER KURT VONNEGUT.
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KillgoreTrout43
12:30 AM on 10/22/2010
Time to go. Just let me say, that I am on the side of gay rights. I have a gay daughter whom I love very much, and it pains me to see her being treated as a second class citizen by her government. The dems are the only option to enact lasting change. The GOP is not on your side. A third party candidate can't do you any good if they are elected.
Vote your conscience and sleep well at night, but that won't help you get what you want. Lobby, rally, write your representitives. Be tenacious. Just don't allow those people back in power that will without a doubt work against you.
12:32 AM on 10/22/2010
"Just don't allow those people back in power that will without a doubt work against you. "

You're referring to Obama?
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KillgoreTrout43
12:33 AM on 10/22/2010
No. Not at all. But then, you knew that.
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Aerows
12:40 AM on 10/22/2010
Being tenacious also mean holding those whom represent you accountable. That's what is going on with a bunch of Democrats in this thread making complaints.
07:51 AM on 10/22/2010
Gays should work hard to lobby congress especially Northeast republicans to prevent a filibuster, and try to change middle America's attitudes about gays instead of making Obama the enemy. There is a sort of Bradley effect when it comes to gay rights as lots of people are tolerant of gays but won't vote to give them rights.