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Enemies Of 'Big-Government Health Care' Rush To Defend Government-Funded Medicare


First Posted: 10/21/10 04:57 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:05 PM ET

Republican candidates around the nation are running on a platform of repealing health care reform, arguing that "Obamacare" will do nothing to bring down insurance costs and represents a big-government intrusion -- "socialism," if you will -- into an area that should be left to the private markets. At the same time, however, many of these same groups and individuals are rushing to assure the public that they will protect government-funded Medicare program.

Earlier this month, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce released ads attacking three Democratic lawmakers and one candidate for their support of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. They also claim that these candidates have voted for, or would support, cuts to Medicare. Here's the text of the ad, for example, against Kansas House candidate Stephene Moore:

Unemployment. Spending. Debt. Washington's broken. Stephene Moore's policies would make it worse. Moore supports Nancy Pelosi's trillion dollar big-government health care scheme. Worst of all, Stephene Moore supports gutting Medicare by $500 billion. Moore's plan means over 42,000 Kansas seniors face reduced benefits. Government-run health care, Medicare cuts. Tell Stephanie Moore: don't hurt Kansas families. The U.S. Chamber is responsible for the content of this advertising.

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In the Nevada Senate debate last week, Republican Sharron Angle also criticized President Obama for his work on health care.

"Obamacare cut a half a trillion dollars out of Medicare right at the point where... senior citizens need to have that Medicare advantage," she said, adding, "The solutions to the health care insurance cost problem are simple, and they reside within the free market. We need to get the government out so we can go across state lines to choose insurance companies. We need to get the government out of the process so we can take off those mandated coverages. We need to get the government out so we can have tort reform and so we can expand the pools."

"[T]hey say there's not enough cost containment in health reform, yet in the next sentence, they say Medicare has been cut too much," noted Chris Jennings, who served as a senior health care adviser to the Clinton White House. "So if you're spending too much and there's not enough cost containment in health care, and then you're getting savings from Medicare, there's this whole question of how you reconcile those two things."

Jennings also pointed to the fact that AARP, which represents millions of senior citizens, endorsed health care reform because it strengthens the Medicare trust fund and looks for new long-term care options. "It's nice for the Chamber to be so concerned about seniors," he said, "but that has never been a big priority of the Chamber previously. On a whole lot of fronts -- including pensions and retiree health and a lot of other things -- they've explicitly embraced the ability for employers to drop retiree health care coverage altogether."

The Angle campaign didn't respond to a request for comment, but Chamber spokesman J.P. Fielder said there was no inconsistency in the organization's ads. "It is perfectly consistent to oppose a massive expansion of government involvement in health care, while also opposing taking $500 billion from Medicare to pay for this expansion," he said.

Edwin Park, Center for Budget and Policy Priorities co-director of health policy, took issue with the claim that health care reform cut Medicare, calling the notion a "short-term political strategy."

"It scaled back overpayments, tried to institute efficiencies, tried to use Medicare as a leader in how health care is delivered, but didn't make cuts to benefits, per se," said Park. "And so there's a lot of that being characterized as cuts. But at the same time, Republicans and conservatives over the years have been pretty clear -- most recently in the Paul Ryan plan -- that they want to voucherize Medicare, that they want to change it to a voucher program, where you get a voucher to purchase health coverage on your own in the private insurance market rather than going through the traditional Medicare program."

This current debate is, in many ways, an extension of what was happening in summer 2009, when the infamous health care town hall (and the ensuing protests) were going on around the country. Many senior citizens were nervous about more federal involvement in health care precisely because they enjoyed their government-funded Medicare so much and didn't want it cut back.

UPDATE: Via Ben Smith at Politico, an ad by Tennessee Republican congressional candidate Charlotte Bergmann, which states, "After $500 billion is cut out of Medicare, doctors say they will begin refusing patients -- all to help pay for government control of medicine."

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Republican candidates around the nation are running on a platform of repealing health care reform, arguing that "Obamacare" will do nothing to bring down insurance costs and represents a big-governmen...
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11:05 AM on 11/04/2010
The Democrats should introduce bills to repeal medicare and medicaid, and to remove government intrusion into health insurance - including allowing companies to deduct the cost of buying health insurance for for employees with pretax dollars. If a company wants to do that with their dollars, they would have to pay income tax first.

Let's find out how many Americans want the government out of healthcare. Let the big tough stupid Libertarians negotiate their premiums with unregulated health insurers.
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
05:44 PM on 10/24/2010
Regardless of how they shuffle this money around it is still money that was stolen at the point of a gun. People who had medicare stolen from their checks for 20 to 40 years expect that money back. The sad thing is that money is gone. Same with SS. The government stole your money and spent it. Now they have to steal money from younger people to try to pay off those who expect it. It is the greatest most evil Ponzi scheme in history.
11:07 AM on 11/04/2010
The sad thing is your ignorance. The money is GONE! Lol. Where were they going to put it? Under the Lincoln Memorial?
03:12 PM on 10/22/2010
Democrats mandate everyone pay in to Medicare, and now imply there is hypocricy in collecting from a system you were forced to pay into?

It's pretty obvious why most don't support Obamacare---------for cr@p just like this
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Okiemama
10:57 AM on 10/24/2010
Actually when people are asked if they support the individual provisions in the health care bill the overwhelming majority say yes. The health insurance industry has done a fine job with its propanganda campaign against the bill. No one is implying it is hypocrisy to collect. It is hypocrisy to think that others should not get the same benefits that you do when they are the ones who are actually paying for your services (the generation getting benefits now paid for their parents).
02:19 PM on 10/22/2010
The US Chamber of Commerce isn't what the name implies. Google is your friend on this one.
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patg00
2 is the odd prime
02:10 PM on 10/22/2010
The entire cause of health care costs rising, is the fact that hospitals cannot turn away anybody for the lack of ability to pay. So, it breaks down to two ways to fix this. Insure everybody. Or allow hospitals the ability to turn away patients who are unable to pay. Easy choice.
11:00 AM on 10/24/2010
This is a really good point you have made. To put some numbers or statistics with this idea, I will take something my father told me. He works in the med center in Houston, TX at a not-for-profit hospital. He said the amount of healthcare services they provide for free is equal to over half of their yearly and quarterly posted profits. While these numbers are very high, I still believe obamacare is the wrong way to go. Once you disincentivize healthcare, it will become worse than welfare as far as the free riders effect goes. The idea being, why should I work and pay for my healthcare- when the government can just give this to me? This is also the exact reason socialism does not work, why should i work harder than is necessary- all that will happen is i will be required to produce more and i will continue to live in destitution.

INCENTIVES are they key here.
01:52 PM on 10/22/2010
Let's hope that chamber of commerce is gonna be ACORN of consCONSERVATIVES.
02:21 PM on 10/22/2010
Good parallel, except ACORN wasn't the evil they were depicted as. The US Chamber of Commerce is a pretty evil organization, if for nothing more than having a really deceiving name.

Acorn tried to do good things, the US Chamber of Commerce is all about improving themselves.
01:38 PM on 10/22/2010
more money for public service union workers at any price
01:37 PM on 10/22/2010
Just another example of the battle against ignorance in this country.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
01:19 PM on 10/22/2010
The Chamber of Criminals will always fight tooth and nail to preserve government handouts to insurance companies, banksters, Wall Street, and the Pollution Industry.
01:13 PM on 10/22/2010
REAGAN REPUBLICAN: THE GOP SHOULD FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY

Daivd Stockman rushes into the ring swinging like a boxer: "If there were such a thing as Chapter 11 for politicians, the Republican push to extend the unaffordable Bush tax cuts would amount to a bankruptcy filing. The nation's public debt ... will soon reach $18 trillion." It screams "out for austerity and sacrifice." But instead, the GOP insists "that the nation's wealthiest taxpayers be spared even a three-percentage-point rate increase."

In the past 40 years Republican ideology has gone from solid principles to hype and slogans. Stockman says: "Republicans used to believe that prosperity depended upon the regular balancing of accounts -- in government, in international trade, on the ledgers of central banks and in the financial affairs of private households and businesses too."

No more. Today there's a "new catechism" that's "little more than money printing and deficit finance, vulgar Keynesianism robed in the ideological vestments of the prosperous classes" making a mockery of GOP ideals. Worse, it has resulted in "serial financial bubbles and Wall Street depredations that have crippled our economy." Yes, GOP ideals backfired, crippling our economy.

Stockman's indictment warns that the Republican party's "new policy doctrines have caused four great deformations of the national economy, and modern Republicans have turned a blind eye to each one:"

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/reagan-insider-gop-destroyed-us-economy-2010-08-10
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
01:25 PM on 10/22/2010
Reagan was noted as saying "one of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free."

What everyone didn't realize at the time was Reagan was speaking of his dream, and the goal of the conservative movement.
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siamao
03:34 PM on 10/22/2010
Was that one of Nancy's astrological predictions?

U R fanned and faved!
pricespector
Not in the 99%, nor the 1%
12:32 PM on 10/22/2010
Am I missing something here, but isn't there an inherent difference between providing Medicare to seniors over 65 who have paid into the system their whole lives and disabled persons who can't work vs. providing the same benefit to younger able-bodied people in the workforce?
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Okiemama
01:05 PM on 10/22/2010
Those young able-bodied people in the work force can still get cancer, still be in car wrecks, still discover they have Type I diabetes, still get pregnant, still get pneumonia from the flu, still break an arm or leg, and still have very sick kids. Why should I pay Medicare for someone over 65 who ate a poor diet for years or smoke and drank and now has health problems galore from it? Why? Because I do not get to choose who I help because then someone might decide I don't deserve health care because of my lifestyle. Those first things I mentioned all have happened to young people in my family or friends. The number of companies providing health care for employees has dropped dramatically since 2000 (Bush years not Obama's). A friend of my daughter's got ovarian cancer (in her thirties). They caught it early but she now owes $500,000 in medical bills. She has two kids and gave custody to her ex-husband because she could not afford to care for them. Working since she was 16 and has not been able to afford insurance since her divorce. She will never be able to get out of debt.
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Michael Ives
10:39 AM on 10/24/2010
Yeah, we need to euthanize those useless eaters!
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Okiemama
01:12 PM on 10/22/2010
Have no idea what happened to my first response so I will try again and be less personal. Those younger people get cancer, have accidents, develop Type I diabetes, get complications from the flu and have appendectomies. Why should I pay into a Medicare system that takes care of people over 65 who didn't eat well or drank or smoked and now are paying for it? Because we cannot base care on what we think they should of or should not have done. Now HP are you happy?
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lynettema
Little old lady
10:23 PM on 11/07/2010
I'm 66 and know plenty of people who have led healthy lives and got sick anyway. Some even died. Now my mother in law: drank whiskey, ate peanut butter, m & ms. and oj and lived to be 93 with very few health problems. Go figure.
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CalDemo
Watch Where You Step
12:26 PM on 10/22/2010
The republicans have no plans to deal with their own deficit spending. Their unfunded medicare prescription benefit will cost $1.1 trillion over the next ten years, and while it's a lifeline to seniors it also was a government handout to pharma companies because they prohibited medicare from negotiating for lower costs.

It's government by the rich, for the rich, and nobody seems to be paying attention.
12:19 PM on 10/22/2010
Hate to point this out, but everyone should look at the every day. http://www­.costofwar­.com/ Do we really want to save money?
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ewickslaw
12:14 PM on 10/22/2010
A tale of two faces. Janus anyone?
11:58 AM on 10/22/2010
Conservative argue against government's paternalistic role until their allowance gets cut.
Read here on why privatization is bad home economics: http://brighton-towne.blogspot.com/2010/10/laissez-faire-capitalism-bad-home.html
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siamao
04:25 PM on 10/22/2010
Fanned and faved for the contribuion (link).