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AFSCME Responds To Critics: Unlike Chamber There's "No Mystery" With Us

First Posted: 10/22/10 04:26 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:05 PM ET

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The public employees union American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), defended itself on Friday from charges that the massive funds it has devoted to the 2010 elections diminish the Democratic Party's argument that conservative donors are overwhelming the system.

On Friday morning, the Wall Street Journal reported that the $87.5 million that AFSCME had spent on election activities (the majority of it on voter contact efforts) made it the biggest dog in the 2010 fight. The union was, with one week to go, outpacing the U.S. Chamber of Commerce ($75 million), American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS, ($65 million) and fellow union, SEIU, ($44 million). Within labor circles the Journal article was initially hailed as a badge of honor. But pundits jumped on the revelation as proof that Democrats had either trampled on their talking points or been crying wolf over conservative mega-donors all along.

Lost in the analysis, AFSCME noted, were important distinctions.

"[T]here's no mystery about who we are or where the money comes from," Chris Policano, a spokesman for AFSCME, told the Huffington Post. "Unlike the Chamber of Commerce, we play by clear rules of transparency -- we report our spending to the Department of Labor and every month we provide the FEC a list of our members who contribute more than $200 for political activities.

"We believe these midterm elections are too important to hand over to rich, right-wing extremists who have declared war on public services and the men and women who provide them. Billions of dollars are going to be spent this election cycle -- clearly, the biggest dollars are not coming from labor. But we have people who care enough about our country to knock on doors, call their neighbors, contact their friends and work their hearts and souls out to protect working families and Main Street, USA."

Perhaps the clearest sign that the Chamber and AFSCME are operating with different mindsets, Policano noted, is that the union was comfortable working with the Journal's reporters.

"The Wall Street Journal asked about spending and we told them -- there's no mystery about who we are or where the money comes from," he said.

By contrast, an article that the New York Times ran Friday morning on the sources of the Chamber's funding seems to have been culled through painstaking research of different tax and filing forms.

There are, in addition, two other points worth noting with respect to the (occasional arcane) analogies between interest-group funding and spending. As Time magazine points out, when it comes to AFSCME, the implication is pretty clear who is supporting the political activity. They're union members whose dues go to the union's account. With respect to the Chamber, the funding sources aren't evident. As the Times reported, different companies have donated various amounts depending on what policy battle it wants to influence.

Finally, as Greg Sargent points out, when it comes to the issue of who is operating off of anonymous donations, the balance is heavily tilted towards conservative organizations.

According to data from the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation, conservative groups that have spent significant sums have plowed nearly $75 million in undisclosed donations alone into this election.


By contrast, liberal groups have spent under $10 million -- around one eighth that sum. And much of that is coming from groups that weren't set up just to influence elections.

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MoreFreedom
07:30 AM on 10/25/2010
With all the charges of "foreign money" I recently read this report: http://www.cnbc.com/id/39798587

It turns out that 14 of the 15 Democratic senators who sent a letter to the FEC to stop foreign money from flowing to elections, accepted campaign cash from subsidiaries of foreign corporations.
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MoreFreedom
10:23 AM on 10/24/2010
The Times and AFSCME would like everyone to ignore the fact that they have international affiliates (AFSCME International -http://www.afscme.org/publications/28275.cfm) and we don't know how funds from them are mixed with AFSCME's general funds. Just ignore the man behind the curtains.
ProudConservative
Fiscal conservative, social moderate
08:48 AM on 10/24/2010
In general, this article is a comparison of AFSCME to the Chamber of Commerce. Here's a little something at the grassroots level:
My best friend is a correctional officer at the local (state) reformatory. He pays his union dues to AFSCME. He happens to be a Republican.
I, personally, own a small business. I belong to and pay dues to the Chamber of Commerce. I'm an Independent.
AFSCME supports Democrats (with my friends money, against his wishes)
The Chamber of Commerce supports Republicans (with my money, with my wishes)
See the difference?
HellerHighwater
World centrist, "Far-left" American
09:40 AM on 10/24/2010
Proud conservative, huh?

Your predecessors fought to keep kids in coal mines. Why does that make you proud?

Your predecessors claimed that a woman (such as your wife, maybe) being able to vote would be the end of the country. Why does that make you proud?

Your predecessors fought on the side of the British during the Revolution. Still proud?

Your contemporaries have slavishly railed against pollution laws and now your kids and mine are born with 60+ man-made chemicals in their bloodstreams. How's that feeling of pride?

Your predecessors and contemporaries did everything they could to keep the government from outlawing lead in the drinking water and asbestos in schools. Steel feeling it?
ProudConservative
Fiscal conservative, social moderate
07:06 AM on 10/26/2010
What does this reply have to do with the subject matter at hand? Why is it that your first instinct is to attack the messenger instead of the message? To have a proper discourse on the topic requires input on the subject matter, not just personally attack someone with whom you disagree. Grow up.
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rgilley
08:48 AM on 10/24/2010
It's pretty easy to determine if unions are good for the middle class. Simply cross reference the years that unions were protecting workers from corporatist Republicans with the years that the middle class did the best economically. You will find a Perfect correlation!
You do the math as to wether unions are good for working class Americans.
01:29 AM on 10/24/2010
What makes a Union better then a corporation, frankly I prefer corporations I can own stock in them making our intrest directly linked.
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Tommygun264
2Q2BSTR8
02:44 AM on 10/24/2010
The 5-day 40-hour work week, the minimum wage, medical & dental benefits, paid vacations, overtime pay, pensions, an end to child labor, workplace safety - all things the corporations fought tooth & nail against, all things fought for and earned for the workers through unions. The corporations would love to reduce American workers to 3rd world status. Anything to make themselves richer.
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02:58 AM on 10/24/2010
Unions represent labor over capital while corporations represent capital over labor. Labor is the party dedicating a portion of its limited lifetime to generating the capital; its needs should covered by the capital it creates before the levels of compensation are set for management, dividends are paid to stockholders and profit is accrued.
09:51 PM on 10/23/2010
This is the Democrats trying to win the election through lies and conspiracies. They haven't improved the economy over two years, so instead they demonize their enemy: business -- which actually makes jobs for the United States.
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mmboucher
12:14 AM on 10/24/2010
The president has created more jobs in the last eight months than Bush created in eight years, and we have not started any new wars,(unfunded)
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Tommygun264
2Q2BSTR8
02:39 AM on 10/24/2010
The DOW was around 8,000 when the failed Bush/Cheney regime came to an end and the pair of war criminals flew out of DC over a sea of millions giving them a one-finger salute. Less than 2 years under Obama the DOW is over 11,000. When Bush/Cheney were run out of town the economy was contracting, shrinking at a rate of -3.2%. The economy is now growing with a GDP of +1.6%. When Bush/Cheney were ousted, the nation was LOSING 770,000 jobs per month. We have now had 9 consecutive months of positive job growth in the private sector, only offset by a reduction in public sector jobs. Gee, if Obama was a Socialist, wouldn't public sector jobs be growing instead of shrinking? $1.2 TRILLION of the current deficit was already on the books due to policies enacted by Bush/Cheney. The deficit is now 8% less than originally projected due to the fact that most legislation passed under Democratic control have been budget neutral or cost cutting. And BTW - the Bill to guarantee $30 BILLION in loans to small businesses was filibustered by the pubs, the same people who filibustered unemployment insurance payments for the unemployed, claiming to be "fiscally responsible" while holding out for tax cuts for the top 2% which would ad $700 BILLION to this year's deficit alone.
09:30 PM on 10/23/2010
That's right. The U.S. Chamber of Congress is so big they don't have to answer to ANYONE about where the money comes from. And do any of the duh-voters questions this? Not hardly.
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
03:58 PM on 10/23/2010
The bottom line may well be that rank and file Republicans don't want to know where the monies funding their operations are comming from. As they learned all to well from Watergate, tracable money can lead to big prosecutions and longer jail terms.
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Zeroes
03:03 PM on 10/23/2010
The only thing I know about Unions...they destroyed Pittsburgh in the 1960's. And they are now destroying local governments.
05:39 PM on 10/23/2010
Good name.
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Tommygun264
2Q2BSTR8
07:52 PM on 10/23/2010
Yeah, if only American workers weren't so unreasonable and agreed to work longer hours for less money under unsafe conditions, the benevolent corporations wouldn't be "forced" to outsource. I mean, how is a CEO going to afford the gold-plated fixtures on his fleet of jets if those greedy workers keep whining about slave wages and hazardous work conditions? Don't they know how selfish they are?
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JohnBryansFontaine
Liberal Democrat
02:37 PM on 10/23/2010
2009 US Chamber of Commerce Lobbying :

Total Lobbying Expenditures: $144,496,000
Subtotal for Parent US Chamber of Commerce: $123,306,000
Subtotal for Subsidiary US Chamber Institute for Legal Reform: $20,860,000
Subtotal for Subsidiary Ctr for Capital Markets Competitiveness: $200,000
Subtotal for Subsidiary Essential Worker Immigration Coalition: $80,000
Subtotal for Subsidiary US Chamber of Commerce Global Intel Prop: $50,000

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?year=2009&lname=US+Chamber+of+Commerce&id=

2009 AFSCME Lobbying :
Total Lobbying Expenditures: $2,870,000
Subtotal for Parent American Fedn of St/Cnty/Munic Employees: $2,870,000

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php?year=2009&lname=American+Fedn+of+St/Cnty/Munic+Employees&id=
05:33 PM on 10/23/2010
That's even more graphic than the article. Yikes. Bummer we're no longer a democracy.
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Hwrd Sprague
02:13 PM on 10/23/2010
There is no mystery to how unions work : they extort dues from their members & give their money to politicians that support the unions. It doesn't matter that the individual members don't support the politicians they are being forced to contribute to
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
03:54 PM on 10/23/2010
The same thing only with "extort" underlined is that it happens in corporations that have PACs. Having been in a union and having been a corporate exec I was much more satisfied where my money went as a union member.
05:35 PM on 10/23/2010
Nice to have a breath of sanity on a really important topic. Amazing how these "working class" "fiscally conservative" "Americans" are always so eager to attack their next-door neighbors.
07:21 PM on 10/23/2010
I don't understand what it is that a politician can legally do for or in support of Unions. Now they can initiate policy that benefits workers, but that is different from benefitting the unions themselves.
Conversely when large corporations donate to politicians, those pols can initiate policy that can be very profitable to the donating corporations in the form of increased profit. the corp donations far outway the union donations on the corruption scale.
Bring on campaign finance reform!
12:23 PM on 10/23/2010
That's right. Everyone know how the shake down works with the thugs
05:41 PM on 10/23/2010
Don't talk about corporations like that. They can and will trace you.
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Tommygun264
2Q2BSTR8
07:35 PM on 10/23/2010
Did the union thugs shake the grammar out of you?
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silverball
10:51 AM on 10/23/2010
once again and as ALWAYS the right wingnutties are claiming..."the other guys are doing it too...only worser"....in the real world, aka REALITY, this is comparing apples to oranges...and they know it, but the msm will run with their version so they won't be seen as "liberal"...pathetic....
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montn2
10:48 AM on 10/23/2010
The article stated that Rove has spent 65 million. He has actually collected 250 million and plans to spend it all by the end of the election cycle. Look out! More hate on the horizon compliments of "the brain".
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Hwrd Sprague
02:25 PM on 10/23/2010
Biggest spender in 2010 election is AFSCME
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20020498-503544.html
03:44 PM on 10/23/2010
Fact, facts, facts. Since when do they need facts.
07:54 PM on 10/23/2010
Those donations are coming from millions of workers who want to have a voice to counter the efforts of a relatively small number of wealthy "elite" whose only concern seems to be
the ability to have an ever increasing bottom line to the detriment of the rest of us. It's not an honest or valid comparison.
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WakeUp2021
"I'm for Romney!" - George W Bush 5/15/12
01:14 AM on 10/23/2010
"The Chamber's message is clear: The US must be able to source around the world to stay competitive in the global economy and the business community will fight any attempts by our government to restrict outsourcing," Thomas Donohue, US Chamber of Commmerce President.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=64935
05:37 PM on 10/23/2010
Right, and it gets even better when we recollect his best comment, which was to tell all of us to "stop whining" about outsourcing.