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Foreclosures Pushing Home Prices Down Even Further

ALAN ZIBEL   10/26/10 05:52 PM ET   AP

Foreclosure Housing Prices

WASHINGTON — Home prices are falling further, suggesting a bottom hasn't been reached in many metro areas.

Millions of foreclosures are expected to pour onto the market in the coming years. That's likely to force prices down and hurt even cities that had begun to rebound. Investigations into banks' foreclosure paperwork could further deter buyers and weigh down prices.

The past few months have been the worst time in a decade for the housing market. Few people have bought homes, and among the small pool of buyers, many have purchased foreclosures and other distressed properties.

The impact was apparent Tuesday when Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller released its latest index for home prices in 20 major U.S metro areas. The average price for all markets fell 0.2 percent in August and 15 cities posted declines.

But the foreclosure problem is far from over. A "shadow inventory" of homes on the verge of foreclosure is bound to force prices lower well into next year. About 2 million loans are in foreclosure, and another 2.4 million borrowers have missed at least 90 days of mortgage payments, according to LPS Applied Analytics.

"It's like a never-ending supply" of homes, said Daniel Alpert, managing partner at the New York investment bank Westwood Capital. He expects prices to fall another 10 percent over the next year – and not improve much after that.

Most troubled homeowners are concentrated in cities that have already been battered by the housing bust. One in 15 homeowners in Las Vegas received a foreclosure notice in the first half of the year, according to foreclosure listing service RealtyTrac Inc. In the Fort Myers, Fla. metro area, the ratio was one in 20; in the Phoenix metro area it was one in 23.

"If you're going down the hill, you tend to keep going down the hill," said Mark Fleming, chief economist at real estate data firm CoreLogic.

In Las Vegas, prices have fallen 57 percent from the peak four years ago. They are now at the lowest point since spring 2000. In August, they ticked up slightly – 0.1 percent – according to the Case-Shiller report.

Investors buying properties to sell or lease have helped to stabilize the nation's worst housing market. Demand is also coming from retirees, said Paul Bell, a real estate agent with Prudential Americana Group in Las Vegas, who noted that 45 percent of the city's buyers are paying cash

That's "helping to contribute to a floor" in the city's home prices, Bell said.

Some markets are doing relatively well. Chicago, Washington and New York have been showing consistent price increases since spring, though the pace of those increases faded over the summer. In the nation's capital, the large number of federal employees and government contract workers have kept the economy strong. New York has seen fewer foreclosures than other cities.

California may offer the most complex housing picture. Even though the state's major cities have started to show weakness, prices are well above the bottom of spring 2009.

The San Francisco area's home prices have surged more than 21 percent since then. Prices in San Diego have risen nearly 14 percent and had increased for 15 consecutive months before falling in August.

In Los Angeles they have increased by more than 10 percent in that period. Home prices would have to rise by more than 50 percent in each of the markets to return to their peaks during the housing boom.

It's still unclear how the allegations of lenders using flawed documents to foreclosure on homes will affect housing markets. Bank of America and Ally Financial Inc.'s GMAC Mortgage have started processing foreclosures again, after calling a temporary halt while they reviewed mortgage documents.

Some buyers are worried that the sale of a foreclosure could be contested – or even canceled – if the previous owner claims the foreclosure was invalid.

In an October survey taken by the National Association of Realtors, about 23 percent of real estate agents said they have a client who is no longer interested in purchasing a foreclosed property due to the foreclosure-document mess.

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WASHINGTON — Home prices are falling further, suggesting a bottom hasn't been reached in many metro areas. Millions of foreclosures are expected to pour onto the market in the coming years. Tha...
WASHINGTON — Home prices are falling further, suggesting a bottom hasn't been reached in many metro areas. Millions of foreclosures are expected to pour onto the market in the coming years. Tha...
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03:48 PM on 11/08/2010
This is how the Wall Street concept of "mark to market" plays out on Main Street, as assets seek their true market value.
02:25 AM on 10/29/2010
Why not the FED borrow money to borrowers at 0%APR directly? Why we need the banks? Are they partners in using the taxpayers money?
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02:45 PM on 10/29/2010
I agree, private banks are no longer needed. But, they will bribe as many people as necessary to keep the monopoly.
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mrcontinental
05:49 AM on 11/03/2010
The FED IS a private bank. Check out "The Creature from Jekyll Island" for truth about the FED.
05:30 PM on 10/28/2010
This is the clearest sign Obama and the Repubs are really working off the same workbook. The banks own this country...and never before have we seen such a clear sign. Very sad. Won't be voting for Obama again....making sure my friends won't either. Hopefully, the Dems will put up another choice in '12...if not...looks like local races will be the only thing I vote for (I certaily won't be voting Repub)...ah, such a great democracy, the US.
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am not convinced geothermal energy is above ground
03:50 PM on 10/28/2010
As a topic for discussion by the knowledgeable, it seems to this layman, that there is something fundamentally wrong with the US title system.

I mentioned the title insurance issue to a legal academic friend here in OZ, and she was horrified that such a thing even existed.

wiki =
Torrens title is a system of land title where a register of land holdings maintained by the state guarantees an indefeasible title to those included in the register. The system was formulated to combat the problems of uncertainty, complexity and cost associated with old-system title, which depended on proof of an unbroken chain of title back to a good root of title.
The Torrens title system was introduced in South Australia in 1858, formulated by then colonial Premier of South Australia Sir Robert Torrens. Since then, it has become pervasive around the Commonwealth of Nations and very common around the globe.
In the United States, states with a limited implementation include Minnesota, Massachusetts, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, and Washington.
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Siebenstein
99% -Don't do what they tell you !
02:48 AM on 10/28/2010
2006 - bought property for $ 435000
2010 - current value $ 295000

Isn't that capitalism we all can believe in?
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loki
Better to die fighting, than live on knees
03:49 PM on 10/27/2010
The cheaper to gobble them up and not only own the gov , but the property as well.


Ivy Greed Capitalist, Keeping Americans in Debt and in the gutter year after year.
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01:33 PM on 10/27/2010
What we need to be following is who these foreclosed properties are being sold to.

A friend of mine just bought a little house in a small beach community on the Oregon coast. A developer has been trying to buy up all the property in the area and turn it into a luxury golf resort. A lot of people were trying to sell their homes and plenty of people were trying to buy them, but they couldn't get a bank to approve a loan. My friend had a 30% cash down payment, but the bank kept balking. Her real estate agent finally called a friend who's a columnist at The Oregonian, who called up the bank that kep balking at approving the sale of the house. And suddenly, the bank approved the sale.

Follow the money. It leads you to the perps every time.
04:20 PM on 10/27/2010
Insiders still collude and are scooping up anything worth having. If you think you see a good deal, someone with inside knowledge has probably already "sewn it up." Personally, I lost a HUD owner/occupant bid by just a few thou in July... According to public records, the mortgage holder on that transaction is not a bank, but a local HUD real estate broker.
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04:25 PM on 10/27/2010
There you go! My friend is just lucky that her broker was sick and tired of getting good buyers turned down for this place, and he knew who to call at the local newspaper. Otherwise, she'd have been in the same boat you're in.
01:11 PM on 10/27/2010
I really can't understand the problem here. Someone bought a home, for a set price, and signed a contract. Years go by and that someone lost his job and can't afford his mortgage. Is the bank evil for foreclosing on his mortgage? Should the guy be allowed to live in his house, unpaid?

You signed the contract. If you cannot fulfill your end of the agreement, you should be man enough to surrender the house and move out. Cold blooded, maybe. Maybe you can hunker down with some friends or family until your back on your feet. You can't expect to be taken care of, forcible, by your neighbors.
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01:22 PM on 10/27/2010
If someone can't produce the title or the note on your house, they can't evict you from it. That's the way it works, and that's why municipalities are crying foul. Law officers are getting tired of being told they have to kick someone out of their home when they have no proof that the evicter has the right to do so.

The law is here to protect us from a land grab by banks just as much as it is here to protect banks from alleged deadbeat mortgagees.
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01:22 AM on 10/28/2010
In many cases , the banks CAN produce the note. Even if the note is lost, in almost every case , a lost note affidavit cures this defect and the foreclosure can proceed. as for the title , maybe you mean title insurance policy. the bank does not have to produce this since the title insurance policy belongs to the homeowner. I think you are a bit confused as to the foreclosure process.
01:22 PM on 10/27/2010
i think you are missing information
the bankers need to be jailed
05:14 PM on 10/28/2010
If they committed a crime, absolutely. It would deter others from defrauding people. What crime have they committed?
08:30 AM on 10/27/2010
Can't these people being foreclosed on demand to see the deed to the property or the original mortgage agreement, because we all klnow the banks sold the mortgages they were bundled into derivitives and no one knows where the hell they are. If I were being foreclosed on I would demand proff that the bank owns the property or challenge them to prove I don't.
10:33 AM on 10/27/2010
In Florida many are doing that. In fact there are a few attorneys who are deep into representing homeowners here. Originally, many of the foreclosures in Florida were "walk-aways." (When the developer, property investor or flipper could not sell at a profit, they just walked away - having nothing to lose but a credit score.) Now that developers, speculators & flippers have tanked Florida's main industry (GROWTH,) the REAL homeowners who used to have job security & an option of taking out home equity in bad times are taking the hit.
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01:22 PM on 10/27/2010
They can, and the more people who know that, the better. And local law enforcement is demanding to see a deed before it kicks anyone out of their home.
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07:36 AM on 10/27/2010
OWN IT REPUBLICANS. HARRY'S TOWN IS TRUTH OF WHAT YOU WILL DO IF RETURNED TO POWER.

HOMELESSNESS IS NOT HOPEFULNESS.

OWN IT, IT'S YOUR BABY AND BUSH'S TARP.
OWN IT.

THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
12:52 PM on 10/27/2010
You mean the same TARP that then Senator Obama voted YES on?
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loki
Better to die fighting, than live on knees
03:58 PM on 10/27/2010
YOu mean the same one that Republicans and Bush scared the USA into thinking had to be done or we would be in total collapse and failure? Kind of the same fear and scare tactics used to get us into Iraq, and costing us over 1 billion dollars a month, not including the billions stolen by politicians, MICs and Contracts.
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Changeizgood
07:34 AM on 10/27/2010
Republican Recession on Housing market = the" 21st century Jacob Marley of foreclosure"
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07:03 AM on 10/27/2010
As others have said, "it's a secured contract, not a blood oath."

If you are holding a loan that is many times more than the collateral which supposedly protects it, then you are holding The Bag. Drop the bag.

The bank is foreclosing just to prove that they (supposedly) can do it; to prove that they (supposedly) really do have "a perfectible security interest in real property." Well, actually they're doing it to try to persuade the gullible suckers that they sold those mortgages to (many dozens or hundreds of times over) that they're not really gullible suckers but Very Wise Investors.

Again: the Bag. Drop the bag.

Use the "Big 'B' Word," just like any business does when its business goes-south. Liabilities greatly exceed assets ... equals Bankruptcy. That's why the Bankruptcy Code goes on for many hundreds of pages.

If the banks wanted to modify the loans (as any sensible business institution would, if it were a business institution and not a financial fraud-house), it would do so. "Better something than nothing," you know. Sensible. Sensible, that is, to anyone other than someone who has sold that "nothing" thousands of times. Sensible, to anyone other than Mr. Ponzi.
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Carolab
Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
03:37 AM on 10/27/2010
Yet there is a link to a CBS story above that claims home prices are up 7% nationally,
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Carolab
Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
03:26 AM on 10/27/2010
There are no jobs.

DUH.

So the market favors those who are becoming landlords instead. And they will drive more foreclosures as those who couldn't sell and are leasing their homes instead can't charge less rent due to mortgage payments.
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
03:13 AM on 10/27/2010
WHAT HAPPENED TO MAIN STREET AMERICA?

1980 Banking was 10% of US Profits - Pre-Reagan V00D00!
2007 Banking was 40% of US Profits
2010 Banking is NOW 65% of US PROFITS!

YES 65% OF US PROFITS AND CLIMBING as they SUCK THE REAL ECONOMY DRY!

PARASITES ARE EATING AMERICA and AMERICANS ALIVE!

But it can be STOPPED! It MUST be Stopped! USA MUST RIGHT THE SHIP!
__________ __________ __________ ________

Its called bank regulation. NOT SOCIALISM!!

Bank failures in Canada ZERO!!!

Bank bailouts in CANADA ZERO!!!

I know where my mortgage is... DO YOU????
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Carolab
Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
03:29 AM on 10/27/2010
My mortgage is securitized like all of them are -- except for those new buyers who are paying cash -- no doubt at the sheriff's auctions.

I hope they find their titles are no good.
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07:13 AM on 10/27/2010
Heh...

"Profits," my good friend, are exactly what the accountants and lawyers proclaim that they are. These banks are not "profitable" at all: they are frauds. And, prodigious bribers.

One "company," simultaneously pursuing three mutually-exclusive lines of business: Banking, Finance, Insurance. Claiming to make "staggering profits" in all three ways, all at the same time. (Unless "Uncle Sugar" is handing out money, in which case they produce a balance-sheet that says they are desperately broke, and sure to be out-of-business before sunset.)

They WILL be out of business very soon. In fact, they're already stone-dead: they just haven't stopped wiggling yet. But it will come, because it cannot be otherwise. Their houses of cards are collapsing very fast ...but the public officials who made so much "money" from them are going to fight in the bank's favor until the very end.

Run away, just as fast as you can. There are good businesses to invest your money in, but a bank is not one of them. There are even good banks! But they're not the "big twenty" household names.