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Retired Chaplains Come Out Against DADT Repeal, Citing 'Religious Freedom'

TOM BREEN   10/29/10 08:15 PM ET   AP

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Dozens of retired military chaplains say that serving both God and the U.S. armed forces will become impossible for chaplains whose faiths consider homosexuality a sin if the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is thrown out.

If a chaplain preaches against homosexuality, he could conceivably be disciplined as a bigot under the military's nondiscrimination policy, the retired chaplains say. The Pentagon, however, says chaplains' religious beliefs and their need to express them will be respected.

Clergy would be ineligible to serve as chaplains if their churches withdraw their endorsements, as some have threatened to do if "don't ask, don't tell" ends. Critics of allowing openly gay troops fear that clergy will leave the service or be forced to find other jobs in the military that don't involve their faiths.

"The bottom line is religious freedom," said retired Army Brig. Gen. Douglas Lee, one of 65 former chaplains who signed a letter urging President Barack Obama and Defense Secretary Robert Gates to keep "don't ask, don't tell."

A federal judge threw out the policy this month, but it remains in effect while the federal government appeals the ruling. Under the 1993 law, the military cannot inquire into service members' sexual orientation and punish them for it as long as they keep it to themselves. Obama favors repealing the law but wants it done by Congress.

Opponents of the ban argue that military chaplains have a different job than ministering to a parish where everyone shares the same beliefs. They must respect all faiths and counsel all service members, from devout Muslims to atheists.

"My heart doesn't bleed for these chaplains," said Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. "If you don't like it, there's a very simple solution: Fold your uniform, file the paperwork and find something else to do."

Officials at North Carolina's sprawling Fort Bragg Army post and the Armed Forces Chaplains Board did not respond to requests to interview active military chaplains about the issue. The group of retired chaplains who wrote the letter to Obama and Gates said they were speaking out because active chaplains could be accused of insubordination if they publicly oppose repealing "don't ask, don't tell."

"Many (if not most) chaplains will confront a profoundly difficult moral choice: whether they are to obey God or to obey men," they wrote in the Sept. 16 letter.

The Department of Defense has not said specifically how it would address any potential conflicts with chaplains stemming from the end of "don't ask, don't tell," but Pentagon spokeswoman Eileen Lainez said the military would not force chaplains to keep their beliefs silent. "Chaplains are allowed to speak according to the dictates of their faith," she said.

"With great acumen, chaplains, throughout the Department's history, have found means wherein they could strike a balance between faith group requirements and Department of Defense needs," Lainez said. "Members who feel something is inappropriate may always utilize their chain of command, the inspector general or other systems already in place, to address their concerns."

Members of the clergy have been ministering to American troops since the Revolution. There are about 3,000 chaplains on active duty, most from theologically conservative faiths and organizations.

In the Army, the U.S. military's largest branch, the largest denomination is the Southern Baptist Convention, with roughly 450 active chaplains. Next is the Roman Catholic Church, with 270, followed by chaplains from the Full Gospel Pentecostal church; Presbyterian and Reformed churches; and Assemblies of God.

A spokeswoman for the Pentagon said chaplains must have the endorsement of their church or religious organization to serve the role. If a chaplain's church withdraws its endorsement, the military begins processing the chaplain to leave the military.

Several denominations have already threatened to take such a step, citing long lists of potential conflicts the chaplains could face with openly gay soldiers.

The Southern Baptist Convention, the Roman Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church in America, the Presbyterian Church in America, and the Rabbinical Alliance of America have issued statements or written to the Obama administration this year with their concerns that repealing "don't ask, don't tell" could force their chaplains to choose between serving God and serving the military.

The Orthodox Church in America, for example, condemns homosexuality and mandates that the appropriate action its ministers should take toward gay people who seek counseling is to steer them to repent and renounce the gay lifestyle.

"If such an attitude were regarded as 'prejudice' or the denunciation of homosexuality as 'hate language,' or the like, we would be forced to pull out our chaplains from military service," the church informed the Pentagon in May.

The Catholic Church likewise deems homosexual behavior a sin.

"This means that Catholic chaplains must show compassion for persons with a homosexual orientation, but can never condone – even silently – homosexual behavior," Archbishop Timothy Broglio said in a June letter calling for "don't ask" to remain in place. Broglio leads the Archdiocese for Military Services and is the church's chief liaison to the military.

"A change might have a negative effect on the role of the chaplain not only in the pulpit, but also in the classroom, in the barracks, and in the office," Broglio wrote.

Every officer in the military, including chaplains, is evaluated in an annual report. One criterion is whether the officer supports the military's equal opportunity policy. If gays and lesbians are included in that policy, careers of chaplains who criticize homosexuality could suffer.

"As a chaplain, on religious grounds, I could not support that, meaning that as a chaplain, I'm going to face consequences," said retired Col. David Upchurch, a former Army chaplain who is now a minister at Grace Evangelical Presbyterian Church in Lawrence, Kan.

The retired chaplains' letter raises numerous potential conflicts facing conservative chaplains:

_ As the administrators of the Army's Strong Bonds program for marriages strained by military life, would chaplains have to begin including same-sex couples?

_ Would a chaplain be forced to allow gay soldiers to assist with lay duties at religious services?

_ If chaplains must be available to counsel personal problems for all soldiers, will they have to remain silent on their views about homosexuality?

Retired Navy chaplain Capt. John Gundlach, a United Church of Christ pastor, supports repealing the policy and doesn't foresee the problems envisioned by some of his conservative colleagues.

"They may run into some difficulties in not being able to speak out against those who are gay or lesbian in the military, because that would be counter to good order and discipline," he said. "But chaplains have the right to preach according to their tradition in worship services they hold for those of their own denomination."

A good military chaplain must minister to everyone, said Diane Mazur, a retired Air Force captain and University of Florida Law Professor who specializes in interaction between civilian and military law. "It's really very different than in the civilian world, and repealing 'don't ask, don't tell' doesn't really change that basic difference."

Lee, however, said homosexuality creates a conflict that does not exist for chaplains even when they work with members of radically different faiths. In those cases, chaplains help service members get what they need to hold religious services but do not perform any ceremonies outside their own religious tradition.

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Breen reported from Raleigh, N.C. Associated Press writers Kristin M. Hall in Nashville, Tenn., Susanne Schafer in Fort Jackson, S.C., and Rachel Zoll in New York contributed to this report.

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juzcuz 07:51 PM on 10/29/2010
Let the supposedly christian chaplains be relieved of their duties - there are many spiritual directors who would love to have their jobs and would treat all men and women equally. Also, there are several denominations that do respect & love & welcome & accept gays and lesbians - Untied Church of Christ, Unitarian Universalists, New Thought Churches such as Unity, Religious Science, etc. If these chaplains  Read More...
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Coyote1177
08:40 PM on 11/17/2010
What if Gay people do have different religious views as someone whose religion says it is wrong to be gay. Not all religions do say that being gay is "wrong". If someone's church would not allow them to preach because there are gays, or other people who are "different", then it is bigotry! Sorry, I am personally not gay, so I am just using logic. But I would not go to a church that preaches against gays or any other people. Isn't religious freedom to not have one groups religion dominate oevr all the different groups? There is disagreement even betwwen Christians on this issue. So that would not be a sound legal argumentt to say one person's narrow view would be persnoally or spiritually offended by another person's opposing view, so therefore the person with the opposing view cannot express freely. The chaplains have a choice as to whether or not they want to express their beliefs, be gay, be tolerant or be bigoted etc.
02:13 PM on 11/14/2010
Chaplains should not exist as it violates the separation of church and state; get these guys off of the federal payrroll.
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joeyfoto
“Écraser l'infamie!”
02:42 PM on 11/12/2010
Ah, how unusual it is, to see religion being used for the comfort of bigots. The One True Faith of divinely inspired superiority in what I think it is that I am. This is the true reflection of God in my mirror. Once again, the concept of "God" represents the pride of men.

I know they will say that it's not their reflection in a mirror; it's "The Truth" written in a book. Don't tell that to me. I've read that book. This is the selective vision of cherry-picking bigots, not one of whom dares to obey all the commandments in that book, because he'd go to prison if he did.

With "religious" leaders like this, it's no wonder that so many Americans have the spiritual lives of 17th century peasants. This is another pathetic commentary on the fact that the Enlightenment is being reversed; this pathetic story epitomizes the endarkenment of modern America.
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PublicOption09
It was worth the try!
01:35 PM on 11/08/2010
The bible speaks of this: not treating others as you would like to be treated. I've heard of this before...haven't you?
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joeyfoto
“Écraser l'infamie!”
11:34 AM on 11/17/2010
Yea, but those who use the Bible for power skip that part then go straight to the proscriptions against the things that they don't do. This accomplishes two things; it reenforces their "divinely inspired"s superiority and it gives them wedge issues to use against their victims.

As much as spiritual experience can enrich a personal life, religion is an ugly force in politics.
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PublicOption09
It was worth the try!
01:32 PM on 11/08/2010
So what, pray tell O holy, annointed one, do you think is happening now, as we speak?? Surely you know (Mr. retired chaplain) that there are currently gay individuals serving in the military? I think any retired chaplain should be "in the know" enough to comprehend that being gay in this country, in this country's military, in many hostile environments all over this world is difficult enough. Live and let live... a person's religion should not be harmed but rather strenghtened in the face of any perceived "adversary" IMHO.....
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joeyfoto
“Écraser l'infamie!”
02:46 PM on 11/12/2010
I wonder how many of the chaplains currently serving in the military are gay?

Anybody want to guess?

I wonder how many of these retired chaplains, who voted against repeal, are in the closet?

I don't see what this Bible-based bigotry gains anybody.
06:46 AM on 11/08/2010
I am not a bible historian nor do I profess to play one on TV, but when someone says

"Many (if not most) chaplains will confront a profoundly difficult moral choice: whether they are to obey God or to obey men,"

I think they fail to realize: VERY Religious artifact, book, or scripture is and was MADE or WRTTEN by MEN. Not by the hands of any god. Your argument to obey god and not men holds no logical truth because it was MAN who created your god in the first place.
10:53 AM on 11/07/2010
Many of the denominations mentioned are right-wing orthodox groups which think anyone who doesn't believe as they do is going to Hell.
If these chaplains came upon dying soldiers, did they ask their faith before comforting them?
Did they want to ban anyone who doesn't believe in God?
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Matthew Breslin
This is not rocket science.
06:15 PM on 11/05/2010
Your religious freedom does not include the right to impose your morals on me.
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cigi
06:11 PM on 11/10/2010
Faved and Fanned. The Chaps need to search their moral consciousness before they enter the Chaplency. If they cannot extend a "Christ-like" acceptance of gays, then maybe they need to stay in the Civilian population. They expect Gays to hide in the shadows of their own sexual orientation and lie about who they are....so due to Chaplency intolerance the Gay service member's own moral dilema is exacerbated. Sexuality is not a reason for someone not to be allowed to serve their country and the sooner we get past this type of intolerance, the better.
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woody7
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10:53 AM on 11/05/2010
fnd another job
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sunshine14
04:09 PM on 11/04/2010
I ask does it not seem more that profess their obedience to God, pick and chose, and leave out the rest, like ignoring Christ? Christ who said. Stop your judging. Christ said: Love your enemies as I have loved you. Ignoring, also that adultry in Moses time, world, woman were stone to death.

But Christ comes along, and flips that law, over. When citizens of believers in obedience to Moses Laws, wanting to stone the adultry woman to death, because of her sin, was consider deserving of death. Christ said: Those who have not sin, throw the first stone. Adultry its laws of Moses, took on a whole different meaning, spiritual meaning.
10:55 AM on 11/07/2010
And Jesus said absolutely nothing about homosexuality. If He thought it was such a terrible sin, don;'t you think He might have at least mentioned it?
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wbthacker
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03:56 PM on 11/04/2010
"Many (if not most) chaplains will confront a profoundly difficult moral choice: whether they are to obey God or to obey men," they wrote in the Sept. 16 letter."

As long as you're in the military, you obey *men*. The day you can't do that, you need to resign from the military. God is not the commander in chief.

I say the same thing to Americans who insist we are a nation :"under God". No, we aren't. Our constitution specifically forbids establishment of religion and religious tests for public servants. As an individual, it's your right to bow to any god you want, but you don't get to drag the rest of us with you.

And bluntly, to anyone who considers their obedience to God more important than their
obedience to the Constitution: screw you. My pledge to all my ellow citizens is to obey our Constitution, the document our founders agreed to live by. And that includes the clause that gives you freedom to worship. But you're telling me that you'll ignore the Constitution whenever you think your invisible friend wants you to. How can I trust you?

And the irony is, some people claim *atheists* can't be good citizens.
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sunshine14
07:59 PM on 11/04/2010
Well what I do know and have studied, it was not atheists who crucified Christ, but believers, for christ threaten disturbed the Empire status Quo, job security, which used religion, to oppress their own citizens.
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sunshine14
03:53 PM on 11/04/2010
Picking and choosing from the Bible? Odd, the ones who profess their Christianity, are the ones who do most of the picking and choosing from the Bible and ignore the rest.
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sunshine14
03:46 PM on 11/04/2010
In thinking about which parts f the Bible have something to say in the modern context, it is important to recall the historical view that the biblical authors were all living in a different world from ours an different world from ours and reflected the assumptions and beliefs of the people in their world. Their world, to pick a particularly cogent example, had no concept of what we think of as homosexuality.
To put it differently, homosexuality didn't exist in that world. Why? Not because men didn't have sex with men (they did) or women with women (they did) but because there was no sense of sexual orientation in that world, or any world, until the notion of sexual orientation developed among -Western- thinkers in the nineteenth and twentieth Centuries.

As a result, the very assumptions that lie behind the Apostle Paul's denigration of same sex relations are very different from the assumptions that people in the modern world have about themselves as sexual beings. you cannot very well take Paul's instructions on same sex relations, remove them from the assumptions, that Paul had about sex and gender, and transplant them onto a different set of assumptions.
this is true for everything found in the Bible. It was written in a different world, a different context.
Why Moses, Laws does not mention such. But in Jesus time gospels, does.
Man did have its hands on the bible?
Written above, from the book-Jesus Interrupted-by Bart D Ehrman.
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nomadrdw
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02:15 PM on 11/04/2010
so lets see here, these retired chaplains consider it more important to protect the freedom of those 3.000 active chaplains than the freedom of 10's of thousands of gay and lesbians military personnel? it seems to me that is the very essence of self centered and closed minded.
it also seems to me to be very much over the separation of church and state when a group of retired old white men who are out of touch with the 21st century dictates military decisions, or the rights and freedoms of a group of people they condemn.
DrSnuggles
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11:55 AM on 11/04/2010
"If a chaplain preaches against homosexuality, he could conceivably be disciplined as a bigot under the military's nondiscrimination policy"

Good, chaplains are a vital part of the military; it's important for the spiritual needs (if they want) of our soldiers to be met. This can be argued as a breach of the 1st amendment separation of church and state but I would argue that it is minor and the value of supporting our fighting men and women is a trump card.

However, this doesn't mean the military should think of setting policy to accomodate any particular religion.