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Not All Polls Were Wrong In Nevada

First Posted: 11/05/10 05:35 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:10 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- In Nevada, polls predicted the wrong winner of this week's Senate election. Or did they? While public media polls in late October consistently gave a slight advantage to Republican Senate challenger Sharron Angle, the internal campaign polls gave Democrat Harry Reid the edge and campaign pollsters on both sides attribute the difference to a combination of greater care in modeling the demographics of the electorate, more persistence in reaching all sampled voters and the added value of registered voter lists.

With 99% of the precincts counted, the Associated Press reports that Reid defeated Angle by five percentage points (50% to 45%), but the public polls told a different story. In Nevada, we logged 15 publicly released surveys fielded in October, and all but two -- including all eight fielded in the last 20 days of the campaign -- gave Angle nominal advantages of between 1 and 4 percentage points. While none of the margins on any one poll was large enough to attain statistical significance, the consistency of the results demonstrates that Angle's advantages did not occur by chance alone. Our final "trend estimate" gave Angle a nearly three-point lead (48.8% to 46.0%) -- enough to classify the race as "lean Republican."

But the internal polls sponsored by the campaigns were telling their clients a different story. The final tracking polls conducted for the Reid campaign showed Reid leading narrowly throughout the fall campaign, according to Reid pollster Mark Mellman. Their final tracking poll, conducted during the final week of October, showed Reid leading by five percentage points. "There was really no point," Melman told me, "where Reid was actually behind in this race."

Gene Ulm, partner at the Republican firm Public Opinion Strategies, confirms that their surveys for the Angle campaign showed a similar pattern. "We were typically tied in the low to mid 40s -- which as a rule are not good for any incumbent," Ulm said, while several days of tracking showed them "down by single digits."

Campaign pollsters working in other states have similar stories to tell. One example is Democrat Jef Pollock, who polled for Senator-elect Joe Manchin in West Virginia. Pollock told me just before the election and confirmed in a conversation yesterday, that all of his internal tracking polls over the course of the campaign, including four weeks of rolling average daily tracking in October, never once showed John Raese with even a nominal lead over Manchin. Manchin ultimately defeated Rease by an 11-point margin (54% to 43%).

While the Manchin internal polls showed it leading consistently (albeit narrowly), six automated surveys conducted by Rasmussen Reports and its Pulse Opinion Research subsidiary for Fox News conducted between late September and mid-October showed Rease leading by margins ranging between 2 and 7 percent. The Rasmussen surveys ultimately converged with other public polls and gave Manchin a narrow lead, but they told a very different story about where the campaign stood for much of the fall.

So why did the internal polls, including those conducted on both sides in Nevada, produce different results? I talked to the pollsters involved. Here are their explanations:

Modeling the demographics. "One of the things about our ability to get it right and the failure of the public polls in Nevada," explains Reid pollster Mellman, "was the very careful modeling we did of what the electorate was going to look like."

Bill McInturff, co-founder of Public Opinion Strategies, the firm that polled for Angle, agrees. Speaking with reporters yesterday at a breakfast hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, McInturff described a similar process of modeling the likely electorate to assure that their samples had the appropriate distribution of voters by age, gender, race and region so that those factors remain constant from one survey to the next.

Manchin pollster Pollock agrees that public pollsters do not place "enough focus on making sure that sample composition is rational," that they "are not holding enough things constant" from survey to survey. He says he saw "large fluctuations" in tabulations by age and other demographics in successive surveys that "are just not going to happen" when the composition of the electorate is held more constant.

Voter files. What is the basis for these demographic models and less volatile samples of likely voters? For campaign pollsters, more often than not, the answer comes from the publicly available lists of registered voters compiled by each state.

"We have so much rich data nowadays in terms of telling us about past [voting] performance," says Pollock, including commercial data and statistical turnout modeling appended appended by data analysts. Today, he says, pollsters "have ten times more in terms of rich vote history" to draw on.

Mellman would not comment on whether his firm used voter lists to sample the Nevada electorate, but he argued that the "careful modeling" they did of the demographics of the Nevada electorate, would have been "impossible without using a voter file."

While all the pollsters I talked to spoke of the value of demographic data gleaned from voter files, not all pollsters endorse drawing samples from them. McIntruff says his firm remains committed to the more traditional approach of calling randomly generated numbers (an approach known to pollsters as "random digit dial" or RDD) because of the need to match voters lists to commercial telephone number listings. Phone matched lists don't match well for blacks, Hispanics, younger voters and especially younger women," groups that do not typically vote Republican. McInturff explains that they will sample from voter lists in California, where most voters provide a phone number when they register to vote.

Persistence. Traditional polling methods have always placed a great premium on making multiple efforts to contact and interview the randomly identified respondent before substituting another respondent. Don't do that, Mellman says, and the result is a "random sample of easy to reach voters." He reports that in his Nevada surveys, the easiest to reach voters were typically more Republican than those they had to dial 5 to 6 times before completing an interview. "Those public polls that are moving quickly and cheaply," he adds, "and don't do the callbacks can't possibly get the right answer."

Angle pollster Ulm agrees that their polls, "particularly in Nevada had difficulty reaching and connecting with Hispanic audiences which are a pivotal vote," adding that this difficulty is "even higher this year" than in the previous election. Pollsters struggle, Ulm says, "to reach anybody who's under 45 or of a lower socio-economic class."

Diane Feldman, a Democratic pollster who conducted surveys for Governor Ted Strickland in Ohio, agrees: "We consistently saw that those who were modeled as Democratic on the [registered voter] file were more difficult to reach by phone -- with higher rates of both no answer and busy signals."

While the national media polls typically use the same rigorous call-back procedures that the campaign pollsters describe, few public pollsters at the state level disclose the number of attempts they make to each sampled number. However, the one-night polls used by Rasmussen and some other automated pollsters preclude the use of multiple calls over successive night.

Cell phones. Nationally, surveys that sampled both landlines and cell phones produced a more accurate forecast of the national House vote that surveys that did not. Mellman says that voters reachable by cell phones only are "critically important," but not just because cell-phone-only voters have differing demographics. "Two years ago, four years ago," he says, "you could just weight by age, weight by race, weight by ethnicity, and get the right answer" because the young people reachable by cell phone only had the same answers as those who did not. Now, he says, "that is no longer true…a pollster that doesn't insist on contacting cell phones is doing a disservice to their client."

McInturff agrees about the importance of calling cell phones but has a different perspective on the cost. "If you don't do cell phones," he says, "you underrepresent the people under 35, you underrepresent Hispanics and especially in Nevada, those are huge constituencies." He adds that he was "surprised by the Hispanic and African-American turnouts" in Nevada, and "among the reasons is, you can't track the cell phones, they are too expensive."

One of the reasons for this greater expense is a federal regulation that prohibits pollsters from using computer autodialers to place calls to cell phones. The need to hand dial calls to cell phones inflates the cost of cell phone sampling. As such, speaking at the Monitor breakfast, McInturff announced plans to lobby members of Congress to "change the law and create an exemption so that political polling can use auto dialers with cell phones." If not, he said, "in 2012 or '14 this industry's going to collapse because too much of this stuff is open to being crap."

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WASHINGTON -- In Nevada, polls predicted the wrong winner of this week's Senate election. Or did they? While public media polls in late October consistently gave a slight advantage to Republican Senat...
WASHINGTON -- In Nevada, polls predicted the wrong winner of this week's Senate election. Or did they? While public media polls in late October consistently gave a slight advantage to Republican Senat...
 
 
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Charlotte2009
08:46 AM on 11/15/2010
People in their 40- 50's & 60's are dropping their land lines too. I haven't had one for 10 years. Who needs a land line. Most of my friends don't have one either.
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Georgerz
Democrat, Social Ultraliberal, Fiscally Liberal
03:29 PM on 11/08/2010
Despite the polls, I was always sure that Reid would defeat such a fringe, deranged opponent.
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Gwendolyn Barry
01:32 PM on 11/08/2010
What a load of caka.
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Georgerz
Democrat, Social Ultraliberal, Fiscally Liberal
03:28 PM on 11/08/2010
I would have said "what a load of mierda", "caca" is the polite word in Spanish, to describe the same. (It is caca, not caka)
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Carlariz
12:35 PM on 11/08/2010
It all comes down to Hispanics, that vote was one because they went out and voted, I have cousins in NV and they were terrified by her ads, they we racist and insensitive, she lost because she is a bigot and 45% agree with her...
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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
12:28 PM on 11/08/2010
You missed a key difference. The public polls could have been all about manipulation and propaganda, rather then reporting actuality. In this day and age of entire news media outlets being nothing more than shills and propagandists for the republicans, it would not surprise me if they were also trying to manipulate the electorate PRIOR to actual voting.

The Colorado race was similar. At no time did I see any public poll state anything other than Buck being ahead. Yet, I knew Bennett would win from the get go, being a resident and knowing the electorate from a personal view. I could find NO ONE supporting Buck within my circle of family, co-workers, and friends.

Yet, Buck was always ahead in the polls and a 'clear' winner riding the TP express and all the false rage thrown out there by the right wing propaganda machine.

what a bummer for them they could not pull it out, eh?
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12:52 PM on 11/08/2010
I could find NO ONE supporting Buck within my circle of family, co-workers, and friends.

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Perhaps you have a narrow circle.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:02 PM on 11/08/2010
It's pretty much what I said- take a Ratmusty poll, give the Democrat ten points, and that's the election day result.
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08:56 PM on 11/07/2010
from the article: '... speaking at the Monitor breakfast, McInturff announced plans to lobby members of Congress to "change the law and create an exemption so that political polling can use auto dialers with cell phones." If not, he said, "in 2012 or '14 this industry's going to collapse because too much of this stuff is open to being crap." '

So long as pollster calls count against my call allowance, I am going to be mighty pissed to get political polling calls on my cell phone - especially as a change like this opens the door to push-polling and similar immoral deeds.

Frankly, I don't see why the political polling industry shouldn't go down in flames.
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parlimentMike
Terrorists keep you in fear
02:18 AM on 11/08/2010
There is no upside to the People for polls. It's just a way to gauge how little we'll take in exchange for our votes
06:14 PM on 11/07/2010
And behold, why better poll accuracy is needed in electronic systems, so votes do not go to speculation on either side.
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01202009
09:15 PM on 11/07/2010
And so the people with the money don't control the vote. Stalin said it's not who votes, but who counts the votes.
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woody7
Always a Dem, but..............
09:46 AM on 11/08/2010
the right is probably working on that as I type.
04:40 PM on 11/07/2010
I'm not surprised by this result. People seem to have forgotten that Obama did much better in Nevada in 2008 than the polls were reporting. Polls are only as good as their models and, if the models are wrong, the polls will be too.

As for this comment:

McInturff announced plans to lobby members of Congress to "change the law and create an exemption so that political polling can use auto dialers with cell phones." If not, he said, "in 2012 or '14 this industry's going to collapse because too much of this stuff is open to being crap."

I say that we can only hope.
11:28 AM on 11/07/2010
You missed an obvious point for the polls that were far off but converged as the election approached: they were trying to sway opinion by presenting a margin that didn't exist.
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Gray Mouser
Former Republican
12:31 PM on 11/08/2010
Exactly spot on. No doubt about that in my mind at all. It is why when they are defeated that I feel so good about it. One way to 'screw the man', harking back to my protest days of the 1960's and 1970's.
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shanghaislim
Is this creamy white enough for my micro bio....ch
11:07 AM on 11/07/2010
This article leaves out one real possibility..........

.......that the GOP and conservative machine was manipulating public opinion and fear through bogus results in their polls constantly showing republicans winning.

I am sure strategy was to discourage democratic voters that it didn't matter whether they vote because the republican was going to win..........and by a decent margin.

?????
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Just walkin the dog here
So, just where is this micro-bio? This it?
10:12 AM on 11/07/2010
And if the polls that had given Angel a slight advantage had been more correct or accurate, how many "me too" independents who merely want to back the likely winner, would have voted for Harry Reid? I think that many of the Republican polls use the older land-line processes BECAUSE they will show the more conservative candidates in the lead. I look exclusively at 538.com for the better poll information. I have never forgiven Zogby for 2006, never will, they lost all credibility.
12:10 AM on 11/08/2010
And 538 had Reid down consistently as well. Everyone did. I've been spouting off to anyone I could get to listen that Reid would win, that Angle couldn't possibly really be ahead, and boy am I glad I was right!
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ywcachieve
President Barack H. Obama supporter.
10:06 AM on 11/07/2010
Cell phones are not locked into a specific location, so they can't get your number on file, like they can your landline.
But if they do happen to find a way to tap into the mobile phone lines, nobody will answer those robo calls. Your mobile phone is sacred.
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Just walkin the dog here
So, just where is this micro-bio? This it?
10:14 AM on 11/07/2010
Whoa, not so sacred, I got a lot of opinion polls calling me. But yes, I did not participate ever. I think my cell-phone sacred, (even if the GPS device in it shows somebody where I am very minute of the day).
09:59 AM on 11/07/2010
Man it's so funny to see all the hate being cast at polls. Because in a close race they were off by 5 points? At least we knew one thing accurately ahead of the election: The race was close. A little more accuracy would be nice, but we did know the race was close. Reid knew he was in a fight, at least.
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09:09 AM on 11/07/2010
You have to consider the effect of senior voters in the polls. They are the more likely to be available for the calls and have the time to complete the call questions. And incredibly they vote in the strong majority for republican candidates, who are only interested in slashing their benefits.

Democratic voters are not available to take the calls because they are out working for a living so that their taxes can pay for the benefits of the seniors.
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bronncohowie
Everyone register to vote.
06:11 PM on 11/07/2010
First of all, if you work, you pay Social Security taxes. When you retire you get to participate in the Social Security INSURANCE system. The "seniors" you denegrate have done their jobs and now get to retire with their benefits. Secondly, EVERYONE who works, Dems or GOBP/teabaggers pays S.S. taxes. Social Security is INSURANCE. Just like Medical Insurance, Automotive insurance, any insurance you can name. Nobody is entitled to Social Security insurance but everybody who works EARNS it. I'm sure when it comes time, you will tell the Govt. "... I don't want my Social Security..." won't you ??
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10:27 AM on 11/08/2010
The question was, why are the polls so inaccurate. I listed some reasons, apparently was not clear.

Here's the point Seniors, of which I am one, are much more likely to be available on land lines to answer the pollsters calls and are much more likely to have the time to respond to the questions. And in this election especially a strong majority of senior voters voted republican, thus accounting in large part for the constant republican bias in the polls which was not borne out in the actual elections such as Colorado and Nevada.
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Sister777
Make Corporations Pay
09:24 AM on 11/08/2010
Although with what bronnchowie said, I would chip in to a general fund to keep old people from starving and homelessness. Could you just walk past an old woman, who can barely walk asking for bread and a warm blanket as if she were not there, suffering and hungry? I would rather my taxes go to pay for the seniors and children of America rather than the rich and the corporations that benefit from the privatized war we are having.

I am sad for you that you are so cold.
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10:26 AM on 11/08/2010
Your reading comprehension is almost as low as my writing abilities. Just kidding.

There was nothing in my post that refers to old people starving and homeless. The issue at hand is the obvious republican bias in most polls: My post addresses that issue. It is certainly a fact that senior voters, myself included in that group, are much more likely to be available on land lines to take pollsters calls and questions, and the sad fact is that senior voters went strongly republican in this election, voting against their own interests and the interests of their children and grandchildren. That accounts for the republican bias in the polls in many states. One of the most extreme cases was the polling in Hawaii which showed the republican candidate just five points behind his opponent. When the vote counting was done he lost by about 35 points.