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Gen. James Amos, Marines Corps' New Leader, Wants 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Kept In Place

Gen James Amos

ELLIOT SPAGAT   11/ 7/10 12:43 AM ET   AP

SAN DIEGO — The new commandant of the U.S. Marines Corps said Saturday that now is the wrong time to overturn the "don't ask, don't tell" policy prohibiting gays from openly serving in the military, as U.S. troops remain in the thick of war in Afghanistan.

"There's risk involved; I'm trying to determine how to measure that risk," Gen. James Amos said. "This is not a social thing. This is combat effectiveness. That's what the country pays its Marines to do."

Last month, the Pentagon was forced to lift its ban on openly serving gays for eight days after a federal judge in California ordered the military to do so. The Justice Department has appealed, and a federal appeals court granted a temporary stay of the injunction.

Amos said the policy's repeal may have unique consequences for the Marines, which is exempt from a Defense Department rule for troops to have private living quarters except at basic training or officer candidate schools. The Marines puts two people in each room to promote a sense of unity.

"There is nothing more intimate than young men and young women – and when you talk of infantry, we're talking our young men – laying out, sleeping alongside of one another and sharing death, fear and loss of brothers," he said. "I don't know what the effect of that will be on cohesion. I mean, that's what we're looking at. It's unit cohesion, it's combat effectiveness."

Amos, who began his assignment last month, said he was reviewing preliminary findings of an internal Pentagon survey of the policy that was sent out to about 400,000 troops and another 150,000 family members. He will make recommendations to Defense Secretary Robert Gates later this month.

Amos declined to comment on the survey results, though portions have been leaked to reporters. Most troops and their families think the policy could be done away with, according to officials familiar with its findings who spoke on condition of anonymity because the results had not been released.

Amos said his top priority was success in Afghanistan – no matter how many people or how much equipment is required – and that he didn't expect any pullback in Marine forces over the next year.

President Barack Obama wants to start to reduce the number of U.S. troops in July, if conditions on the ground allow.

Amos said the U.S. effort is showing progress, pointing to improved security in the Nawa district, but that more work lies ahead in allowing the Afghan army and police to gain control of the country.

"The Marine Corps will stay the way it is (in Afghanistan) right now for probably at least the next year," he said.

He said he expects the Marines to shrink from its current size of 202,000 after leaving Afghanistan, but that "we need (the current numbers) now."

Amos, 63, spoke with reporters in a wide-ranging interview during a Southern California visit to mark the Marines' 235th birthday. He addressed other subjects:

_ A living Marine who served in Afghanistan has been recommended for a Medal of Honor. The Marine Corps has had only one Medal of Honor recipient, stirring controversy due to its heavy fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Amos' predecessor, Gen. James Conway, made the recommendation last month to the secretary of the Navy, and it must eventually be approved by Obama. Amos said a report on the Marine's actions brought tears to his eyes.

_ The fate of the amphibious Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle should be known in January or February. Gates, who is scrutinizing military spending in a search for roughly $10 billion in annual savings, has expressed doubts about a $13.2 billion plan for the Marines to buy large number of vehicles starting in 2012.

_ The number of suicides in the Marines this year is "markedly below" the same period last year. In 2009, the Marines had 52 suicides, the highest rate of any branch.

"I don't want anyone to walk out of here and say we've turned the corner and the Marine Corps has figured it out," he said. "That is not the case. This is hard."

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SAN DIEGO — The new commandant of the U.S. Marines Corps said Saturday that now is the wrong time to overturn the "don't ask, don't tell" policy prohibiting gays from openly serving in the milit...
SAN DIEGO — The new commandant of the U.S. Marines Corps said Saturday that now is the wrong time to overturn the "don't ask, don't tell" policy prohibiting gays from openly serving in the milit...
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josephRoehl 03:24 AM on 11/07/2010
Sir, if you're not serving the nation's Constitution, which in effect already guarantees equal protection under our laws on matters of basic civil rights and human rights for ALL AMERICAN CITIZENS, then you're the enemy of our Constitution. The civilians elected to run the country are to be guided not by the military but by the Constitution. Get over your prejudices or you're just adding one more nail into  Read More...
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SteveDenver
Progressive and liberal, just like Jesus Christ.
06:01 PM on 11/24/2010
He looks remarkably like the Cat In The Hat. He's probably angry that gays have never paid him attention.
Henri101
There is nothing more dangerous than sincere ignor
07:54 PM on 11/18/2010
Seemingly a useless general who thinks the military should still be using muskets.
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oldfuzz
...within my mind
07:35 PM on 11/18/2010
Of course. What would we think if we discovered there was a gay in the Marines? Hoo-rah!
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rcozad
Manufacturers Representative Electronics Industry
07:07 PM on 11/18/2010
Fine, than we don't want Amos to stay in place , just in case he missed getting the memo his Commander in Chief said he wanted DADT to END so salute and do your duty or resign your commission!
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11:12 PM on 11/17/2010
Everyone being treated equally regardless of their individual differences is what makes the military a strong cohesive unit. I learned that lesson the very first day when my head was shaved. The military does this on purpose. It took me a week before I could distinguish who was who. There is nothing worse to cohesion than a condoned sense of inequality. The military comes close to proving the idea that despite our similarities, diversity is the true human norm. The discomfort that accompanies dressing the same, looking the same and living the same only heightens the need to be an individual. It's not the other way around.
02:58 PM on 11/12/2010
The last time that I was in a night defense perimeter (40 years ago), the last thing that I considered was having sex with the guy laying in the mud next to me or that he would make improper advances; I only worried that I would some day be able to have sex again... And why is this guy with white gloves against DADT?
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RLaitres
No wise person will claim to be wise.
06:48 PM on 11/17/2010
The answer to the question is that he is an intellectual and emotional dinosaur on this issue. The question then becomes: If he is on this one issue, in how many others is he?
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tinsldr2
Retired Army Officer
10:55 AM on 11/09/2010
The military members have very limited FREE Speech rights and has limits on Freedom of Religion. Yet Free Speech and freedom of religion are constitutionally protected.

The military discriminates against Fat people, even if they can do their military job they can be discharged or denied promotions (happens all the time). Sometimes for just the appearance of being fat.

Try and deny a promotion to an overweight CIVILIAN Computer operator just because of their weight and see how fast you are in court but the military does it to military computer operators all the time.

All of this type of Discrimination have been allowed by the Supreme Court under the CONSTITUTION because of the specified powers of the Congress spelled out in the Constitution.

The Military is subject to the laws written in "The Uniform Code Of Military Justice". Example: it is an actual CRIMINAL act to disrespect a Superior ranking officer punishable by fines and jail. If a civilian disrespects his boss he can be fired, but it is not a criminal offense.

I happen to support Equality for all Americans and of course Civilian Control of the military. The point is that rules needed to maintain Good order and discipline in the military are not the same as what is constitutionally mandated for the civilian society.

I am retired military now, and I do support the repeal of DADT but the HIGHEST priority is the Good order and discipline of the military not the rights of individual members.
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03:41 PM on 11/09/2010
By the way, in another post you managed to retype the fourth dumbest defense of DADT: fat people.

Seriously, do you really think that we don't see these insipid talkiing points all over the net?
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tinsldr2
Retired Army Officer
06:48 PM on 11/09/2010
By the way, I never defended DADT so I don't know what you are talking about.

The point which you seem unable to grasp is that the Military is not subject to the same Freedoms and constitutional protections that others have. We used to say "we are here to support Democracy not practice it!"
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11:10 PM on 11/17/2010
But the rights of individual members is what makes for good order and discipline. Everyone being treated equally regardless of their individual differences is what makes the military a strong cohesive unit. I learned that lesson the very first day when my head was shaved. The military does this on purpose. It took me a week before I could distinguish who was who. There is nothing worse to cohesion than a condoned sense of inequality. The military comes close to proving the idea that diversity, not similarity, is the human norm. The discomfort that accompanies dressing the same, looking the same and living the same only heightens the need to be an individual. It's not the other way around.
08:58 AM on 11/09/2010
Every gay man I know who served in the military told me that while the Navy is the gayest branch of the military, the first guy to turn over in bed are Marines. No wonder the Commandant is freaked out.
10:16 AM on 11/09/2010
You move in odd circles dude. Don't believe everything you hear in a gay bar.
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liberal123
11:25 AM on 11/09/2010
marines are all bottoms
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09:52 PM on 11/08/2010
With my sexual preference DADT is is a laundry list of things that would disqualify me. Yet there is one X factor that disqualify me even at one time I was the kind of person back in Vietnam and before it would be considered a wonder asset. 5% of the population has a personality disorder that would allow a person not to hesitate on the battlefield, and sleep like a baby after the war. in this PC era it's a liability because you are criminally insane.
06:46 PM on 11/08/2010
As a 30 year Soldier going from enlisted living in a squad bay to squad leader to commanding units from 2LT (earning a CIB) to COL, I fully concur with Gen Amos’ reticence to abandon DADT. I was also delighted he said: "The Marine Corps will stay the way it is (in Afghanistan) right now for probably at least the next year." That’s reassuring; after a long absence the Marines just rejoined the fight last year.

To set the record straight, as of today, US OEF losses total 1358; 951 Soldiers, 273 Marines, 66 Sailors and 68 Airmen. Last week the Pentagon released the names of 8 killed, seven Soldiers and one Marine.

To dispel any myth Marines have devoted their attention to Iraq, since the first OIF causality in Mar 2003, we have suffered 4425 losses; 3240 Soldiers, 1028 Marine, 102 Sailors, 54 Airmen and one Coast Guardsmen. In the past year one Marine and 61 Soldiers have been killed there.

Although Soldiers sustain the lion's share of losses, Marines garner a disproportionate share of the press so most citizens erroneously believe Marines are leading the charge. In truth, it’s been Soldiers doing most of the fighting and dying. Don’t get me wrong, I am delighted Marines have finally rejoined the Afghan fight after being "missing in action" the past several years; we Soldiers welcome their help – finally.

If you want to know how I really feel, hit my Blog at: http://old-soldier-colonel.blogspot.com/
10:23 AM on 11/09/2010
You are a little off topic here and in a bit of another fight on media bias toward the Marines though even as a Marine I think you are probably correct. I would respectfully suggest the relevant point you make to this discussion is that in a distinguished 30 years of service you are just a bit more knowledgeable thank Lady Gaga on military matters and are in accord with the Commandant and point of which we are in full agreement.

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10:24 AM on 11/09/2010
And yes I am the king of typos.
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DrBlunt
Telling it like it is....
02:39 PM on 11/08/2010
"and when you talk of infantry, we're talking our young men – laying out, sleeping alongside of one another and sharing death, fear and loss of brothers," he said. "I don't know what the effect of that will be on cohesion. I mean, that's what we're looking at. It's unit cohesion, it's combat effectiveness."

Is this fruitcake insinuating that presently, gay/closeted Marines are NOT "sleeping alongside of one another and sharing death, fear and loss of brothers?"

Fruitcake!
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
03:25 PM on 11/08/2010
Oh, but see, if DADT is repealed then they'll know. It's the KNOWING. Oh agony!
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DrBlunt
Telling it like it is....
05:55 AM on 11/09/2010
It's shameful...
10:35 AM on 11/09/2010
No he is saying that open homosexuals do noting to enhance combat effectiveness. That would be true.
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DrBlunt
Telling it like it is....
07:55 PM on 11/09/2010
So what your saying is, heterosexuals are now enhancing combat effectiveness.

However, if this "heterosexual" decides that he/she wishes to reveal his/her true identity, or becomes "open, "then that person's "Combat Effectiveness" IS, ALL OF A SUDDEN, NO LONGER?

So according to you, and that other homophobic dingbat:

~ closeted homosexuals "Enhance Combat Effectiveness"
~ open homosexuals DO NOT "Enhance Combat Effectiveness"

That's an intellectually challenged (in other words - BOO$HITT) position as far as I'm concerned! Later!
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Bob Kellerman
Let's have more sanity toward each other
01:16 PM on 11/08/2010
This leftover from the 50's is more interested in "Let's keep up the pretense"
than he is in being fair.
EVERYONE KNOWS that Marines have a significant component of Gay members, and a significant component of "do it, just don't talk about it" members.

He is probably afraid that acknowledging the above will seem weak
10:28 AM on 11/09/2010
"EVERYONE KNOWS???" Based on what? In a twenty+ year career and still serving I have come across fewer gays than I can count on one hand. Some were good Marines and some were horrible but you are making assumptions on something you know little about based on your own bias.
02:19 AM on 11/22/2010
When I was in college almost 14 years ago this issue was alive and well. All kinds of crackpot leftist claims ruled the campus. One claim was that a secret CIA study had proven that over 97% of the military was homosexual but in fear of being booted out. The radical crackpot prof who made the claim never showed us the secret CIA study of course, I gues he would had to kill us if we saw it. I tend to think he pulled it out of his butt like the rest of his theories.

This "everyone knows" mantra really means that every 18 year old college activist and left over hippy progressive thinks.... Progressives live in a very tiny bubble where the whole world is a place where kiddies are to be protected from debate and disagreement. A college campus. They assume they are living in some sort of garden of Eden surrounded by the dark and horrific world of nod.

They all know that there is an NRA sniper on every rooftop waiting to murder for sport. They all know that all disagreement and individual thought is anti human and unAmerican. They all know that everyone who matters must have voted for the same person they did. They all know that all Marines everywhere are bloodthirsty white bigot klansmen with veins and innards stuck between their teeth.

You will never convince them that what they know is all a steaming pile of too many times repeated dogma.
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smokeystover39
11:56 AM on 11/08/2010
Amos looks like something from the Nutcracker Suite - all that bling - which says "Look at me I'm important." Actually I think he got all that shiny stuff when he rode through an auto parts store on a magnet. Keep your opinions between you and YOUR Commander in Chief not in public. What a putz!
10:33 AM on 11/09/2010
Mock the uniform that allows you to sleep comfortably at night. Brilliant. Oh, the Dem Senate just confirmed him with full knowledge of his views on the matter. Perhaps your beef should be with Senator Levin.
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10:17 PM on 11/17/2010
Actually he was addressing Marines, not the public.
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springsm
11:31 AM on 11/08/2010
Retire the senior list.  Period.  They are out of touch with the real life of America and coddled in their offices, feeling very important.  Promote some of the younger politically active military oficers in the Pentagon.  (not really a stellar group, but none the less)  We soon will be into the ones who are brainwashed by the funamentalists in the service however.
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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
03:27 PM on 11/08/2010
Which brings up the issue of heavy fundamentalist influence in the armed forces. Fine believe what you want, no matter how benighted, but keep it to yourself and quit trying to force it down everyone else's throats. Not everyone in this country is Christian.
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tinsldr2
Retired Army Officer
11:16 AM on 11/09/2010
Retire the senior list.

Yup lets get rid of all the ones that have spent DECADES studying the Art and Science of combined arms warfare, that have best knowledge of how to organize, equip, train and FIGHT the most complex and lethal military force ever assembled because we do not like the Political opinions they hold.

It is the job Of people like General Amos, Gen Casey, and Adm Mullins to give their opinions to the Civilian leadership of the country on matters effecting the Military.

Once a decision is made by the civilian leadership, the people like Gen Amos will enforce that decision. That is what they do.

As for being "out of touch with the real life of America and coddled in their offices," i can not speak for gen Amos but his ARMY counterpart, Gen casey, spent four straight years in Iraq where he was in charge of all coalition and at the time Iraqi forces and traveled widely over the battlefield, led a Division in Kosovo that consisted of US troops, Polish troops, greek troops and Russian troops, and was an assistant Division Commander in the initial mission in Bosnia.

Gen Casey's deployment and accomplishment record is very high as is his knowledge of what it takes to run the Army and integrate all military branches and foreign forces into combat operations. I can only guess that Gen Amos has equally high experience factors.