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Clinton Advisers Unload On Obama's Economic Message: 'What Were They Thinking?'

First Posted: 11/18/10 10:33 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- Two of the top consultants in the Democratic Party leveled unusually blunt criticisms on Thursday over what they deemed a "total mis-framing" of an economic message by the Obama White House.

Speaking at a breakfast organized by the Christian Science Monitor, Democracy Corps founders James Carville and Stan Greenberg conceded that the party had been bound to suffer a drubbing at the polls in 2010, owing to a recession that had produced a lingering 9.5 percent unemployment rate. But a 60-seat loss in the House could have been something closer to a 35-seat loss, they argued, had the administration effectively communicated a sense of urgency and indignation over the economic crisis.

"During the campaign... their message of 'what we are doing is working,' people would get mad, okay," said Carville. "Most kind of messaging is not very effective, it just goes in one ear out the other. This one, it went in one ear and right to the brain. What were they thinking? It was almost universal. And as opposed to saying 'These irresponsible, greedy people got us into this mess and we are the only thing between you and them, and we are fighting every day and we understand.' We kept telling them, don't tell them it's working... The White House had the best and brightest. But they mis-underestimated this."

"A metaphor about a car in the ditch when people are in trouble and angry at Wall Street is just out of touch with what is going on," Greenberg said, with respect to the president's closing argument during 2010 cycle. Pointing to the polling data he had seen in the lead up to the vote, he added: "At one point, any framework tested better than trying to make the case for success."

It is a tried and true feature of the consulting profession to profess knowledge of the solutions and answers to most political problems, especially after those problems have occurred. And as it was pointed out at later moments, both Carville and Greenberg (both frequent guests at the Christian Science Monitor breakfast) had offered faulty analysis before -- mainly in predicting back in 2008 that the Democratic Party was posed to enter an era of longterm political dominance.

That said, both are veterans of the Clinton White House and, in turn, had front row seats for the last mid-term electoral shellacking Democrats suffered. So the prescriptions they offered carried a modicum of weight. The two insisted that it was too early to demand that heads roll or that policy platforms dramatically change. Those would come with time, as they did after Clinton's major losses in 1994.

"I'm skeptical that there is a parallel Dick Morris," said Greenberg, referencing Clinton's long-trusted adviser (now Fox News analyst and devout conservative) who was brought on board to right the ship after 1994.

They also stressed that there was little in the data to suggest that Republicans had earned the trust of the public. A presidential cycle that still favored Democrats, they argued, could produce dramatically different results in 2012. Greenberg went so far as to insist that control of the House would be up for grabs in the next cycle. What was non-negotiable, the two offered, was sticking with talking points that, for voters, effectively "minimized" their current predicaments.

"I don't think there is any reason why you can't reset and start over," said Greenberg. "Voters are pretty forgiving on leaders... They give you a lot of space and there is still a majority who want Obama to succeed."

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UnknownSolider 02:39 PM on 11/18/2010
Fire Tim Kaine NOW

1) He had no clue as to what to do when the Big Business Lobby started pouring money into races all over the place.

2) He has been invisible for the most of the last 2 years, he had almost NOTHING to say during the entire Health Care debate, Love or H8 Howard Dean but if he was in charge the HRC debate would not have gone down the way it did

3) He basically failed to  Read More...
12:18 AM on 11/20/2010
Sometimes it seems as if a lot of Dem's think that they would be a better president without a full understanding of what a President deals with here and in the world everyday .Respect is what is needed and deserved .
11:59 PM on 11/19/2010
If rethugs held the line through 8 long years of Bush' lunacy, Obama deseves the benefit of four.
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terry63
06:54 PM on 11/19/2010
Carville is a great person to have on youre side and a not so great person to have against you. Also dont underestimate Hillary. I dont think that Hillary will run against Obama but you never know whats up her sleve and Carville will jump at the chance to back Hillary.
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MrUniteUs
05:32 PM on 11/19/2010
What did Carville and Greenberg do this year to help elect Democrats?

Which Congressional or Senate Candidates did they support?
standish
You're gonna need a bigger boat.
04:51 PM on 11/19/2010
"That said, both are veterans of the Clinton White House and, in turn, had front row seats for the last mid-term electoral shellacking Democrats suffered." Well, gee whiz, I wonder if they offered Bill Clinton any Monday morning quarterbacking when he was "shellacked" in 1994. Oh, but then if they did that they would have had to assume some of the responsibility, wouldn't they, since they were his advisors.
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WakeUp2021
"I'm for Romney!" - George W Bush 5/15/12
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searles7
04:34 PM on 11/19/2010
Carville has hit the nail right on the head. You may call him "snake head", but what this president needs right now is someone with very sharp teeth and the willingness to use them. Anything less and his one term will be his only term.
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terry63
05:39 PM on 11/19/2010
this president is a complete victim of the people around him. Obama came in as a nobody, no real experience . World leaders still wonder who the heck he thinks he is, They dont get his Genius. He needed experienced people togive real advice not extremists like Pelosi she's a train wreck. He has just sold 18 percent of General motors to China, Where were his advisors?
The Repubs may well defeat Barrack Obama in 2012 but were not there yet and if Rove is still in charge Repubs better hope this country club repub can do better than McCain.
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terry63
05:50 PM on 11/19/2010
Clinton had people like Carville surrounding him and years of governing experience, He knew how to give a little to get alot. He was likeable and came across well. Not so with the Obama crowd , they come across as etreme , unbending. People dont get them. World leaders dont get them. China however does get them and are taking full advantage of them.
03:57 PM on 11/19/2010
I adore this man. Please Mr. President take him for a dinner.
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KriTiKiT
Says"play nice"
03:52 PM on 11/19/2010
I think it's funny that "snakehead" is talking cause they paid him to bash the president, he is not talking out of public consern, he is a sellout like das'rethugs...
03:55 PM on 11/19/2010
One serious objection ... He looks more like a turtle outta his shell, than a snake.

Snerd
01:53 PM on 11/19/2010
Carville and Greenberg..Both clintonites..enough said..they still bitter
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KriTiKiT
Says"play nice"
03:53 PM on 11/19/2010
they are mad because Obama refused to bring them a coffee and a cigar.
03:56 PM on 11/19/2010
Actually, I think it's 'cause they were offered them ...

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SabeWhat
If you lie to win you lose, always, eventually.
12:56 PM on 11/19/2010
Carville has passion for the Clintons - not the party, not the people, not the President of the party, not the DNC chair, not the Speaker of the House, not the President of the USA - THE CLINTONS, period.
03:52 PM on 11/19/2010
... and (De)etroit, given that his name is Car-Ville

Snerd
12:54 PM on 11/19/2010
I thought it was the Republican Party that had all of the disagreements and the Dumbos were united and moving forward .
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WakeUp2021
"I'm for Romney!" - George W Bush 5/15/12
04:44 PM on 11/19/2010
Easy for tea-t@rds to agree on destroying the country. It's in their blood.
12:08 PM on 11/19/2010
"Carville and Greenberg (both frequent guests at the Christian Science Monitor breakfast) had offered faulty analysis before -- mainly in predicting back in 2008 that the Democratic Party was posed to enter an era of longterm political dominance."

Well, the Democratic Party would have entered an era of longterm political dominance had Obama not squandered his historic mandate for change. Instead of delivering "change you can believe in," he gave us just more of the same.
03:57 PM on 11/19/2010
Centerism you can believe in ...

Snerd
04:26 PM on 11/19/2010
.... without Hilary's back bone!

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Sister Bluebird
11:56 AM on 11/19/2010
James Carville is still upset over what Obama didn't do in the Gulf of Mexico after BP Spewed all over every thing. I know because of that alone I would have little faith in this administration after watching other issues unfold. Of course Obama awarding Bush the presidential medal of Freedom might have been a bit hard to swallow as well. Obama has been a terrible disappointment. The people he picks to run things, with few exceptions have been bad people. Just plain bad. Like Oil can Harry Bad. Just look at Cas Sunstein or Rahm Emmanuelle or Lisa Jackson. These are Bad people. He has turned out to be a bad Moderate Republican POTUS who caves to Blue Dogs and to Neocons every chance he gets. So if his Hope and Change message got garbled somewhere in all that. Don't blame it on voters who perceived him as a Democrat. He did pull the old Bait and Switch on a bunch of us. And is still doing it.
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zendem1
Sometimes I like to touch other people's food
11:30 AM on 11/19/2010
And Carville's wife, that republican "stain" he married, has managed to keep his manhoods in a lock box since 1993. He's not to be trusted.
He used to be a good democrat, hard as that is to imagine.
Now, in al fairness, if he's referring to the White Houses's inability to craft a message, and their st00pidity in thinking that playing nice with republicans is a good idea, thaen it has some merit.
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searles7
04:37 PM on 11/19/2010
I have seen only good words from Carville. Yes he's a bit hard on Obama from time to time, but it is always because Obama won't show his teeth. Carville is a good DEM thru and thru.