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Dems Vow To Push Filibuster Reform

Filibuster Reform

First Posted: 11/19/10 06:24 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Leaders of the effort to reform the filibuster in the Senate are pushing forward despite the election outcome, working to gather support within the Democratic caucus while reaching out to Republicans. Sen. Tom Udall (D-N.M.) said that he and a core group of members will canvass their colleagues throughout November and December.

"We'll start the informal discussion in our caucus. Are you for reform? What kind of reform?" Udall told HuffPost.

On the first day of the 112th Congress, Udall said, he will rise and make a motion to establish rules for the session, making the argument that the chamber is entitled by the Constitution to set its own rules. Vice President Joe Biden is then expected to rule -- as vice presidents have done in the past -- that the motion is in order. Senate Republicans will challenge the ruling and Democrats will move to table the objection. Only 50 votes will be needed to table the objection. If Democrats succeed, a debate would then begin over how to reform the rules.

Udall said he and newer Sens. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) and Mark Begich (D-Alaska) have been gradually winning support for their effort to reform the rules.

Abolishing the filibuster is far from the only reform under consideration. "You could clear out a lot of the underbrush," said Norm Ornstein, a constitutional scholar who advised Udall on the effort. Currently, after the majority files a cloture motion to break a filibuster, 30 hours of "debate" must happen before the vote. That vote is followed by another 30 hours until the final vote is held, which means a single effort can take a full week of floor time. That time could be reduced or eliminated -- or split in two 15-hour sections divided among the parties, Ornstein said. Or separate rules could exist for executive branch nominees, alleviating the crisis of understaffing that has beset both administrations since at least 2007.

Ornstein said that instead of sticking to the strict number 60 to defeat a filibuster, the threshold could fluctuate depending on the number present. "The other simple thing you could do is switch to three-fifths of those present and voting. They didn't really think about what the consequences of it are" when the rule was originally written, said Ornstein.

Merkley said that requiring the minority to do something -- give a speech, show up, anything -- in order to obstruct Senate business would alter the dynamic. Under current rules, it's the obligation of the majority to affirmatively squash a filibuster rather than the minority to keep it going.

If the minority is made to stand up, said Merkley, "there is a price to be paid in terms of time and energy and visibility if you're going to block" action in the Senate.

Merkley said that the issue has penetrated the public consciousness. "Every time I speak to a group about the need to change the Senate's rules as a result of its paralysis and dysfunction, people applaud. They may not understand how the rules work, but they can understand that they can't get the judicial nominations approved, or advisers on the executive branch. Some particular objection can create a week's delay. That's the big surprise to me during this break, the fact that public understands this in a way I've seen them not understand any process this year. They understand the process is badly broken and needs to be fixed."

Getting Republican support for the effort might not be as hard as it would've been last session. "We have a weakened legislative body. It's in the interest of both Democrats and Republicans who want to get things done" to reform the rules, said Udall.

Democrats hold 53 seats but face an uphill battle in 2012 that could see Republicans claim control of the chamber. Incoming Indiana Republican Dan Coats has said he supports eliminating the filibuster on the motion to proceed, which would grease Senate operations considerably but wouldn't dramatically reduce the power of the minority to obstruct legislation.

If the GOP wants to overturn health care reform or otherwise roll back Democratic gains, eliminating the filibuster would likely be a necessary step. For that reason, senior Democratic senators, who've spent time in the minority, are cautioning against getting rid of the filibuster. It comes down to what you see as the function of the Senate: To defend the gains of the past or to enact further reform.

That the effort has come as far as it has is partly a function of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's evolution on the subject.

If there was one crystallizing moment for Reid, when he decided that the Senate was broken and in need of filibuster reform, it came on the early, early morning of December 18th, 2009, when Democrats were pushing through a defense-spending bill that the military said was desperately needed to keep the lights on and the bullets flying. For the better part of the last decade, Democrats had played the unpatriotic punching bag, their loyalty to the country called into question if they so much as asked for some type of condition to come along with the blank check for the undeclared wars.

Hours before the vote, it became clear the GOP was willing to stand in lockstep against "funding for the troops" -- and not some emergency supplemental, either, but the annual spending bill itself -- as part of a strategy to delay an impending vote on the health care bill. The day of the vote, Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi, the senior Republican on the Appropriations Committee, who had previously supported the bill, backed away. Without Cochran, Democrats were two votes short: Russ Feingold, on principle, votes against war spending bills. At a meeting of the Democratic caucus, colleagues pleaded with the famously stubborn Wisconsin progressive to set aside his objections this one time and vote for cloture. He finally agreed and was rewarded with a standing ovation from fellow members who often chafe at what they see as his grandstanding righteousness. The 60th vote would need to be Bob Byrd, who lay dying at home.

Reid called the vote after midnight, unsure if the senator from West Virginia would have the strength to make it to the chamber in such weather, and worried what toll the effort would have on the man he loved as an older, wiser brother. While the Senate waited on Byrd, three Republicans who wanted to vote for the bill, but who didn't want to be the 60th vote, sat in the GOP cloakroom. If Byrd showed, they would emerge from their toasty confines and vote to support the troops. If Byrd failed, they would vote no, in lockstep with their colleagues, and the measure would fail.

Reid was livid. "Rarely have I seen such brazen irresponsibility and rarely have our nation's citizens received such little regard from their leaders," C-SPAN-watching insomniacs heard him say on the Senate floor. "We're here at 1:00 in the morning because of the Republicans. We could have voted for this bill two days ago. I've even had some Republican senators tell me, regretfully and regrettably, they've admitted to me personally this: They've told me plainly that while they want to support our troops, they fear retribution from their own leaders, retribution from their own leaders. We know senators on this side of the aisle have made commitments to vote for this. That's not exactly what John Kennedy, who was not only president of the United States, but a war hero, who served in this very body, would call a profile in courage."

Byrd, defiantly, arrived, basking in the fist-pumping and back-slapping of his colleagues. Passage assured, several Republicans emerged from the cloakroom to vote aye and cloture was envoked, 63-37. That Republicans had used the filibuster rule for no other purpose than to obstruct the Senate -- Does anyone seriously think Senate Republicans opposed the funding? -- and, in the process, had dragged Byrd out of his deathbed, infuriated Reid. Byrd would die in June, after enduring a seemingly endless string of late-night and early-morning votes.

Reid is a born protege rather than a mentor, a man fiercely loyal to those he looks up to. Byrd was one of those men and to watch him run ragged by the very rules he cherished -- and, in many cases, wrote himself -- was too much for Reid.

Seven weeks later, at a briefing with progressive media on the Hill, Reid announced that he was open to reforming Senate rules.

"The filibuster has been abused. I believe that the Senate should be different than the House and will continue to be different than the House," Reid said. "But we're going to take a look at the filibuster. Next Congress, we're going to take a look at it. We are likely to have to make some changes in it, because the Republicans have abused that just like the spitball was abused in baseball and the four-corner offense was abused in basketball." In an interview with HuffPost several months later, Reid used the same analogy to recommit to reforming the rules.

Reid had a long way to travel to get to where he now is. In his 2008 memoir, "The Good Fight: Hard Lessons from Searchlight to Nevada," Reid calls his opposition to Bill Frist's "nuclear option" -- a threat to eliminate filibusters of judicial nominees -- the greatest fight of his life.

Reid, looking back, warned in his memoir that the proposal was a "Pandora's box." Once opened, he said, "it was just a matter of time before a Senate leader who couldn't get his way on something moved to eliminate the filibuster for regular business as well. And that, simply put, would be the end of the United States Senate."

Reid encouraged Mark Pryor, a Democrat from Arkansas who has conspicuously noted that there is no IQ test needed to be a senator, to work with Republicans to find a compromise. He also enlisted Joe Lieberman, whom he would call on years later to forge a deal on the stimulus, and pressed him to stay involved despite his reservations. Seven Democrats ultimately signed a pact with seven Republicans that would allow some judges to go through but allow the filibuster to be used in "extraordinary" situations. Since the GOP has become the minority, however, entirely ordinary nominees have been filibustered with regularity.

For the moment, the filibuster had been preserved. "Stop smiling so much. Don't gloat," Susan McCue, his longtime aide and confidante, told him as he prepared for a victory-lap press conference.

"There are senators who are institutionalists and there are senators who are not," Reid wrote in his book. Reid is a Senate institutionalist, someone who has come to love the chamber as an end in itself, a living reflection of the wisdom of the founders of this nation. "United States senators can be a self-regarding bunch sometimes, and I include myself in that description, but there will come a time when we will all be gone, and the institutions that we now serve will be run by men and women not yet living, and those institutions will either function well because we've taken care with them, or they will be in disarray and someone else's problem to solve."

That day came sooner than Reid could have foreseen. The Senate has not been well taken care of, and is now Reid's problem to solve. Reid's opposition to changing the rules in 2005 was rooted in his love and respect for the institution; his push to change the rules today is based on that same affection. With the death of his Senate mentor, Bob Byrd, there may be nobody who knows the rules of the Senate as well as Reid. And to see those rules abused has tried him, his colleagues say.

Reid, said Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.), has "a keen sense that this institution, to work for the betterment of mankind in America, is about coming together and compromising on things and getting things done. So I'm sure he finds it an affront that these shenanigans of just stall, while the economy's stalling, is just an inappropriate response by the other side. I'm sure he's thinking about what you can do to change it if that's their continued response."

Reid isn't afraid to use his knowledge of the rules to outmaneuver rivals. His parliamentary joust with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), who was saying no long before it was the cool thing to do, led to his creation of the "Coburn Omnibus," or "Tomnibus," a single bill in 2008 that was a compilation of as many bills stalled by Coburn that Reid could pack together. In an interview with HuffPost, Reid said that he plans to do the same thing with a collection of some of the more than 300 bills that have passed the House but languish in the upper chamber "before the end of the year."

There has been much talk about how broken the Senate is, but the chamber has produced landmark legislation that easily puts it on par with New Deal sessions of the mid-'30s that were capped by a legislative deluge in the mid-'60s. It is more how the chamber has acted, than what it has done, that has Reid pondering improvements. But even if he does push hard to end the filibuster, will the filibuster win? And is Reid genuinely committed?

John Cornyn, the Republican in charge of Senate campaigns in 2010, doesn't think so. "Harry's too much a creature of this institution, where sometimes you're up and sometimes you're down, and you begin to appreciate the rules a little bit more when you're in the minority. I know I have," he said.

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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
wethepeople3884 07:29 PM on 11/19/2010
Blowing up the filibuster is a push towards real democracy and each effective strategy to achieve a greater sense of equality will be fought by republicans with the backing of corporate america. The better the ability of the senate to function, the more effective congress will be to enact real changes. This innately benefits progressive and threatens conservatives by the mere fact that the senate becomes  Read More...
06:07 PM on 11/21/2010
Its about time.....
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dennidus1680
11:10 AM on 11/21/2010
Why should the Republicans object? They would benefit from the rule changes if it stops Democrats from doing the same as Republicans have done this last term. It also gives the Democrats an excuse to lose in coming legislative fights. A win win except for the American people. You might say that there will be another Democrat takeover next, but look what republican administrations have accomplished since Reagan.
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jnw147
10:05 AM on 11/21/2010
Let's hope the spineless Democrats grow a spine and succeed.
02:55 AM on 11/21/2010
they want this now. and then, when they are out of power, they will be trying to reform and/or skirt the issue again.

just like they passed 'pay as you go'... only to break it less than one month later.

and just like they suddenly tried to change the Massachusetts special election law, one they created, as soon as it appeared they would lose an election as a result [which Scott Brown won].
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SirSlappy
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02:23 AM on 11/21/2010
luke-warm posturing again from the Dems. Could've started their short reign with this.
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amleth
big fan of humanity - very often disappointed
12:29 AM on 11/21/2010
This is a republic. It is also a democracy. They are not mutually exclusive. They are expressed in different ways.

Many things have occurred since the constitution was written that were never foreseen by the founders; that the government and its processes are always in some state of flux is an undeniable fact.

Several of you folks who are harping on what you seem to think is the sole existence of the republican form  - to the exclusivity of democracy as a form of citizen participation through voting - appear to be carrying water for the top down kinds of governing: the powerful and rich hold sway by means of their power and wealth. That may be an empirical fact on this earth, but it is a sometime fact, not continuous.

The sweep of history is not in your favor in the West. The Arthurian idea of right over might, even if apocryphal, began in England.

From the Magna Carta to the failure of the Test Acts, to the Glorious Revolution of 1688, and the ensuing Bill of Rights of 1689, to Rousseau's social contract, to the American revolution and its inspirations, then its Constitution and Bill of Rights - all of this political and social change has been in one direction: in the direction of improving the lot of individual average citizens vis a vis the wealthy and powerful.

Attempts to redefine the basis of our revolution and government by deleting the word or the concept of democracy, or to deny that the US is (in addition to being a republic) democracy are not likely to prevail given the aforementioned thrust of history.

The ideal of direct democracy has not been fulfilled, but it is observed and held sacred in the breach. Warren court decisions (Wesberry vs. Sanders; Reynolds vs. Sims; Baker vs. Carr) established without question the principle of one man one vote in the US House of Representatives.

Once again, and hopefully finally, democracy and republicanism in the US are not mutually exclusive. They both exist and if not pervading one another, at least complement one another.

The Citizens United ruling has once again thrust the top dogs to political power, but the movement of the common man to self determinations and human rights will continue, if not here, then elsewhere.

If elsewhere we may become an antiquated curiosity, one of many event laden stops along the road to universal human rights.

Peace to the peaceful, confound the scoundrels.
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thetokensquare
Do you want Liberty? Well, DO YOU?
03:22 PM on 11/21/2010
I believe we are talking about different things all together. We may debate the course of history and which direction things are headed. In that regard, I definitely agree with you. However this is and never was an article or thread about the history of democracy in the west. It is a discussion of our current form of government and how to best make it work. More specifically this is about the filibuster in the US Senate. So, for the purpose of discussing this issue; we currently live in a country that has a Republican form of government. Each citizen (one man) DOES NOT have "one vote" when it comes to deciding how the issues of the day will be handled - especially on the federal level. So again, to the question "What kind of government do we have in the United States," I reply - "A REPUBLIC madam, if you can keep it!"
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amleth
big fan of humanity - very often disappointed
04:42 PM on 11/23/2010
Our government was shaped as a representative republic according the the Articles of 1787. The founders understood what they had written was insufficient to the task, and provided no protection from government tyranny for individual citizens.

They wrote the Bill of Rights to correct those deficiencies. The republic became also a democracy, as individual human rights for citizens were established; the citizenry now had a wall of protection between itself and the government.

The Bill of Rights was written as amendments to the constitution, and further amendments have established rights for women, Native Americans, minority races, and freed the nation's slaves.

These amendments have added to the freedoms and rights of American citizens. The Constitution remains an open document, subject to change under lawful procedures.

Your insistence that the nation is not a democracy flies in the face of the Bill of Rights.

The republic comes from the ancient Romans: in his Discourses on Livy, Machiavelli listed the forms in Roman history:

Type I - Rule by Principality (monarchy) : a complete aithority of the government ; citizens = subjects.

Type !! - Rule of Best (aristocracy): a group of nobles were the rulers: citizens = subjects.

(A variation of this type is given as Rule of the Few (oligarchy): an elite group or groups comprise the government: citizens = subjects.)

Type III - Popular rule: citizens are participants, not subjects.

In the Federalist Papers clearly the founders intended a republic to be the form of government.

It's is just as clear from the creation of the Bill of Rights and further amendments that democracy was intended by the founders to be an integral part of the forms of government.

I further contend that the idea of democracy is seen around the world as the great contribution of the US in governmental forms. Nobody is touting the republic as our way of life, and all peoples appreciate and cheer for the ideals of democracy.

Why is the term used most often in regard to our governmental forms democracy and not republic.

We even advertise and promote our nation as a democracy worldwide.

Is that all a lie?

Of the republics written of by Machiavelli, which do you assert as ours:

Monarchy? Aristocracy? Oligarchy? Democracy?

I admit it now appears that most of our argument is moot, as the Citizens United ruling may transform our government into an oligarchy.

Then your desire to do away with our democracy will have been completed.

Congratulations.
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R.W. Sanders
Numerous questions, too little expertise
12:24 AM on 11/21/2010
be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.
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SirSlappy
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02:24 AM on 11/21/2010
And the idlot Dems will succeed in ending the filibuster just as they hand power back to the GOP.
Unbelievable stupldity... again.
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08:48 PM on 11/20/2010
I suggested they do this in a comment here several weeks ago, and I'm very glad to hear both that Pelosi will be House minority leader and that the Dems will try for filibuster reform in the new session- this is a good sign they are making the right moves to fight rather than laying down for the teabaggers.
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08:44 PM on 11/20/2010
Require filibustering senators to actually speak on the floor during their filibuster.

After 24 hours of filibuster, allow a cloture vote requiring 60 votes. If cloture fails, the filibuster can continue another 24 hours (still requiring someone present and speaking at all hours) after which cloture requires 59 votes. Continue letting the cloture vote require fewer and fewer votes until it requires only 51 votes.
08:27 PM on 11/20/2010
Easiest way to reform the filibuster? Whenever a Senator starts a filibuster, STOP PAYING the Senators and their staffs (YES, THEIR STAFFS TOO) until the Senate votes to overturn the filibuster. That way, only the filibusters with true widespread support will continue -- and the argument to suspend salaries is simple: if the Senate is engaging in a filibuster, they are not doing the people's business - and the people are paying them to do business on our behalf.
09:19 PM on 11/20/2010
That's an interesting idea.
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thetokensquare
Do you want Liberty? Well, DO YOU?
09:47 PM on 11/20/2010
Well, except that the salary is in fact rarely the majority of a senator's income. How much do Senator's make anyhow? $174,000 in 2010 ... divided by 365 .. about $477 a day ... and the cost of their staff ... not much more I suspect. I bet a senator can find a way to raise a couple thousand a day when necessary to carry the water for a powerful special interest group like Wall Street, the UFCW or Big Pharma. Still, interesting idea though.
08:19 PM on 11/20/2010
Preserving the system is always more important that the problems of the moment. The filibuster helps protect minority rights, and therefore it should be maintained. That would be the right thing to do whether there were 2 Democrats in the Senate or 92, whether you think the Republicans abuse it or not.
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08:45 PM on 11/20/2010
Filibusters now don't require the dedication they used to. If we go back to the old way of doing things which required senators to actually speak on the floor around the clock to sustain a filibuster and it wouldn't be such common practice nor would it cause such problems as it now does.
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NomadicView
08:19 AM on 11/21/2010
ok.. I'd be happy with that. All these politicians like to do is to campaign anyway.. so they should have little trouble making speeches for 24 hours. There is a need for the filibuster process and eliminating is destructive to the republic, one step closer to a authoritarian government.
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WASanford
I think, therefore I am mad as hell!
08:48 PM on 11/21/2010
Actually the Senate was invented as a way to get the smaller states to ratify the Constitution. That's the only reason the Senate exists. It worked because each state is equally represented in that body.

The Constitution allows each of the legislative bodies to make their own rules. The Republicans badly misused the filibuster. That's reason enough get rid of it no matter who the majority party is. If the American people don't like the legislation that passes through congress, then they can vote the rascals out! They get the chance to do that every two years.
08:08 PM on 11/20/2010
this is CRAZY!!! why now? all this is going to do is give the republicans a chance to get their destructive bills passed. should have done this 2 years ago then we'd have a "public option" and a stimulus that didn't give tax breaks
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WASanford
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08:54 PM on 11/21/2010
Uh, the Democrats still have a majority in the Senate. It's not large enough to break a filibusterer, it never was, but the Republicans will not be able to just pass anything they want through the Senate.

If we end up not liking the legislation that passes then we can change the makeup of the Senate with our votes in just two years from now.

We, you and I, are the ones who are supposed to be in charge!
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hetrose
And it harm none, do what you will.
05:10 PM on 11/20/2010
Why the h*ll didn't they do this after the third Republican filibuster of the movement to have unsalted rather than salted peanuts at Committee Meetings?
03:14 PM on 11/20/2010
Considering that radical Republicans have a good chance of taking the Senate in 2012, I cannot see eliminating the filibuster. I would propose instead that some version of Senator Harkin's modifications be enacted.

My modification of Harkin's idea: Each day the filibuster is active, the amount necessary to stop it reduces by one vote. BUT - the rules must state that the filibusterer hold the floor in defense of his/her hold on the pending bill, or else the filibuster is declared ended. I'm open to delegating a portion of the time to others to carry the load.

To do anything else, including allowing the existing rules to continue, weakens the Congress to the point of inactivity - something we've seen through the last four years as being detrimental to the common welfare and which violates the Constitution.
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05:00 PM on 11/20/2010
With the public overwhelming in favor of HC reform, the Rpublicans could not actually filibuster and be re-elected. The filibuser is a good rule as is, but the opposition must be made to stand and state their issues.
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02:41 PM on 11/20/2010
New rules for filibusters doesn't BEGIN to solve the root procedural problem that Grim failed to mention..... which allows BOTH Parties to tack on UNRELATED amendments to Appropriation Bills as a form of legalized blackmail to pass otherwise debatable legislation without debate.