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In New Book, Pope Reflects on Condoms, Fashion, Mistakes and Calls for His Resignation

The Light Of The World Pope Benedict

First Posted: 11/22/10 07:35 PM ET Updated: 11/09/11 11:12 AM ET

By Francis X. Rocca
Religion News Service

VATICAN CITY (RNS) Pope Benedict XVI has dominated global headlines since Saturday (Nov. 20) when the Vatican's official newspaper leaked excerpts from a new book in which the pope suggested condoms might sometimes be justified in reducing the spread of HIV/AIDS.

But the condom remarks -- that a male prostitute, for example, is someone whose use of a condom "can be a first step" in the practice of sexual morality -- aren't the only newsworthy bits in The Light of the World, a book-length interview with German journalist Peter Seewald, which hits stores on Wednesday (Nov. 24).

The new book, based on six hours of interviews in July, is also an extraordinarily intimate portrait of a sitting pope. Benedict reveals his sensitivity to criticism, concerns about his health and a striking willingness to admit error -- especially for a religious leader whose
followers consider his dogmatic pronouncements infallible.

Asked if the start of his reign was marked by mistakes, Benedict replies: "Maybe one makes even more mistakes later, because one is no longer so careful."

Sex Abuse

Despite years of experience as the Vatican official in charge of investigating clerical sex abuse and then as pope, Benedict voices his "unprecedented shock" at the "great crisis" provoked earlier this year by revelations of widespread clergy abuse in several European and Latin American countries.

"It was really almost like the crater of a volcano, out of which suddenly a tremendous cloud of filth came, darkening and soiling everything," the pope tells Seewald, expressing hope that the scandals may yet "have a purifying virtue."

"We must be grateful for every disclosure of sex abuse," Benedict says, nevertheless claiming that "what guided this press campaign was not only a sincere desire for truth, but ... also some pleasure in exposing the Church and if possible discrediting her."

Benedict admits that "maybe (the Vatican) should have" called for an immediate worldwide investigation of clerical sex abuse following the scandals in the U.S. in 2002.

Neither the pope nor his interviewer addresses widely circulated charges that the pope, while serving as the Archbishop of Munich and later as a Vatican cardinal, himself mishandled cases of pedophile priests.

Resignation

Benedict flatly rules out resigning in the face of criticism over the sex abuse crisis. "Precisely at a time like this one must stand fast and endure the difficult situation," he says.

In a comment that could help explain his reluctance to dismiss bishops who mishandle abuse cases, he adds: "One must not run away from danger and say that someone else should do it."

On the other hand, Benedict acknowledges a pope may have an "obligation to resign" once he "is no longer physically, psychologically, and spiritually capable of handling the duties of his
office."

His own health is currently good, Benedict reports, but admits his schedule "really overtaxes an 83-year-old man," and he observes that "my forces are diminishing."

On the subject of his public appearances, he says: "I wonder whether I can make it even from a purely physical point of view. The trips are very demanding for me."

The Williamson Case

Benedict says, in retrospect, he would not have lifted the 20-year-old excommunication of the ultra-traditionalist Bishop Richard Williamson had he known that Williamson was a public Holocaust denier.

"Unfortunately, though, none of us went on the Internet to find out what sort of person we were dealing with," he says.

For a pope to admit error this way, in a matter as weighty as the exercise of his penal power, may be unprecedented.

However, Benedict also points to the controversy that greeted his mistake as evidence of "a hostility, a readiness to pounce, that waits for these kinds of things ... in order to strike a well-aimed blow." There was a "readiness for aggression," he says, "which was lying in wait for its victim."

Pius XII

Benedict reveals that his decision last December to declare the wartime Pope Pius XII "venerable" and thus eligible for beatification (the rank just below sainthood) came after an informal investigation of still-sealed wartime records in the Vatican Archives.

Critics say Pius, who reigned from 1939 to 1958, failed to do or say all he could to stop the Nazis' persecution and genocide of the Jews. But Benedict says the Vatican investigation confirmed the "positive things we know, but not the negative things that are alleged."

Pius "saved more Jews than anyone else," according to Benedict, and failed to protest publicly only out of fear that the Germans would deport thousands of Jews under the church's protection in Rome.

Islam

Recalling the violent protests that greeted his 2006 speech in Regensburg, Germany, in which he quoted a medieval Christian emperor describing the teachings of Islam's Prophet Muhammad as "evil and inhuman" and "spread by the sword," Benedict confesses to naivete.

The pope says he gave that speech, which provoked the first crisis of his reign, "without realizing that people don't read papal lectures as academic presentations, but as political statements."

While noting tendencies toward violence and intolerance in some parts of the Muslim world, Benedict insists Islam and Christianity are "on the same side of a common battle" between "radical secularism" and "the question of God, in its various forms."

Russian Orthodoxy

Though he insists he is "shy about making any predictions about when reunion will happen" between the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches, Benedict says there is a realistic possibility he will meet with the Patriarch of Moscow -- a long-sought goal that eluded his predecessor Pope John Paul II -- "in the not too distant future."

Divorced and Remarried Catholics

Benedict hints at greater accommodation of divorced and remarried Catholics, who are prohibited from receiving Communion unless their previous marriages are annulled.

Many first marriages might be eligible for annulment on account of prevailing mores, Benedict suggests.

The "indissoluble" nature of marriage is based on the assumption that "someone who contracts a marriage knows what marriage is," Benedict says.

But today, "what people 'know' is rather that divorce is supposedly normal. So we have to deal with the question of how to recognize validity and where healing is possible."

Papal Fashion

Recalling the excitement that greeted his appearance in December 2005 wearing a red-and-white cap called a camauro, which some observers said made the pope resemble Santa Claus, Benedict denied any intention to make a fashion statement.

"I was just cold, and I happen to have a sensitive head," Benedict says. "I haven't put it on again since. In order to forestall over-interpretation."

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french queen13
my beloved is mine and I am his
01:30 AM on 12/02/2010
Yes but are those red shoes Prada? Just the facts, please, sir.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
12:06 AM on 12/02/2010
"Benedict reports, but admits his schedule "really overtaxes an 83-year-old man," and he observes that 'my forces are diminishing' ".

While Pope Benedict is perhaps the best of all possible replacements in the current college of cardinals, once he feels he can't carry on, I hope he'll not hang on waiting for the grim reaper to pay him a visit in a terrible state of decrepitude to which his predecessor had declined.
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tuffcityt
Whiskey, Tango, Foxtrot, over.
11:59 PM on 12/01/2010
IN NEW BOOK POPE REFLECTS ON CONDOM FASHION MISTAKES AND CALLS FOR HIS RESIGNATION...I like the headline without the commas.
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farmilyman
everything is illusion
11:21 AM on 11/30/2010
How does a virgin reflect on condems?
01:44 PM on 11/25/2010
How dismal an dismaying is the unabashed trashing by many commentators of all things Catholic? Such uncensored venom does absolutely nothing to foster iintelligent debate on the issue, and gratuitously offends -- without self-censorship, discretion or restraint -- imillions of Americans who are engaged in public life and with views on issues that cross the full spectrum of liberal and conservative, who are proud of their faith and heritage. Many of us are sometimes dismayed by positions of our Church, and oftentimes justifiably proud of it. But that is beside the point here....the comments that trash all things Catholic are not based in a desire for dialogue or even to comment on a particular issue but a full scale attack on a faith, a people, a history that would not be tolerated in any civilized environment. Narcissism in the extreme.
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ManuOB1
A voice crying in the wilderness
07:51 AM on 11/25/2010
Alas, the only thing that happened in 2002 was the secular press exposing the systematic attempt to conceal the sex-abuse scandal. The bishops and Vatican knew about it fit decades, but chose to sacrifice souls to protect the institution. Talk about epic Fail.
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merrymay
06:47 AM on 11/24/2010
This writer is not qualified to write if he says the Pope is considered infallible by Catholics. Of course any MAN is infallible by definition!!

However, in the Pope's case, we believe the Holy Spirit protects Papal pronouncements Ex Cathedra...that is when sitting as Bishop on matters of doctrine.
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cliffhammond
Onward through the fog!
11:19 PM on 11/23/2010
"However [regarding his lifting the excommunication of a Holocaust denier], Benedict also points to the controversy that greeted his mistake as evidence of 'a hostility, a readiness to pounce, that waits for these kinds of things ... in order to strike a well-aimed blow.' There was a 'readiness for aggression,' he says, 'which was lying in wait for its victim.'"

I guess we all know who he's referring to.
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gregory57
Micro-bio, was one of my favorite classes.
06:46 PM on 11/23/2010
It's interesting that His Holiness should express compassion for male prostitutes. It probably means nothing.
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rationaljimmy
love-child of Tom Jefferson & Carl Sagan
04:28 PM on 11/23/2010
The catholic church, which couldn't be wackier if it had been created by Monty Python, and which has given us some of the most charming phenomena throughout history, like papal dispensations and roasted human flesh, should be commended for allowing a gay man to serve as its leader. Admittedly, he's not 'out', and he's also likely not the first gay pope, but he certainly is the sassiest, and he knows how to work a jaunty red hat. I didn't have time to read the above story, as I was doing something important.
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Antifascist-08
07:27 PM on 11/23/2010
Fanned and faved.

LOL...
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janie@atthelake
Keep Austin Weird
04:01 PM on 11/23/2010
Well, guess its ok to use condoms for everyone http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_POPE_CONDOMS?SITE=KVUE&SECTION=DEFAULT&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT.html
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Seaniebhoy
03:17 PM on 11/23/2010
The Pope just can't win with many of you....you really don't understand how big of a deal it is that the Pope would change the church's official stance on the use of condoms...for some of you it is exactly what you have been asking for from the Vatican...a shift to common sense in this modern world of disease....and you're still not happy??!!
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rationaljimmy
love-child of Tom Jefferson & Carl Sagan
05:01 PM on 11/23/2010
I do, really I do, commend Mr. Pope man on suggesting this finely nuanced hint of a fractional decimal point of modernity and reason. And I fully support him in his further achieving the desired 100 percent goal of total reason and modernity. Only 99.99999 percent to go!
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deweydecimal
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05:17 PM on 11/23/2010
That wasn't a change on official stance it was a backhanded insult to women and gays. Male hookers should use condoms as a first step in the moral journey while reducing the spread of HIV/AIDS? Give me a break.
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John Ramsey001
06:59 PM on 11/23/2010
So you want them to continue spreading AIDS?!
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Seaniebhoy
03:17 PM on 11/23/2010
The Opoe just can't win with many of you....you really don't understand how big of a deal it is that the Pope would change the church's official stance on the use of condoms...for some of you it is exactly what you have been asking for from the Vatican...a shift to common sense in this modern world of disease....and you're still not happy??!!
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Lee Erickson
09:43 PM on 11/23/2010
Actually...I'm a huge fan of The Opoe
03:06 PM on 11/23/2010
I can't recall ever reflecting on a condom. Guess that's why I'm not pope. That, and I don't like little boys.
12:25 PM on 11/23/2010
I wonder if this book calls for the extermination of Jews,, states that the Germanic people are the best people in the world, and that a grand new empire -- greater than the Roman empire -- will rise up and rule the world for over 1000 years. Nazis crack me up ... and this pope is one big Nazi.
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Seaniebhoy
03:12 PM on 11/23/2010
C'mon mate you should know better...the pope was a but a child when the Nazi's were in power...and being a blond blue eyed boy he was drafted into the youth movement....or are you going to tell me that at 12 years old you would have stood up to Hitler and the Reich?
11:57 AM on 11/24/2010
Was he brainwashed by the Nazi's at an early age. I have no doubt that is what happened. But we all know how powerful brainwashing can be ... especially when done to a child who has yet to develop their own views and opinions. Look at the suicide bombers of our day. Look at the fanatical pro-lifers who call for the execution of doctors. Brainwashing is serious business ... especially when done to children. The pope was brainwashed by the Nazi's ... for certain. And that makes him very, very dangerous given the position he currently holds. It should not be taken lightly or pushed aside by people. Doing so will only put everyone off guard to what he was taught and certainly still believes ... and then bad things will happen.
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Seaniebhoy
03:19 PM on 11/23/2010
So you are telling me that the Pope and the Vatican finally climbing down off of their previously unmovable position on the use of condoms should not matter? C'mon mate this is the first time in decades that a Pope is flirting with progressive modernization of the Church and you are going to just dismiss it?