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Electric Cars Have Utilities Both Thrilled And Worried

JONATHAN FAHEY   11/22/10 04:51 PM ET   AP

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NEW YORK — The first mass-market electric cars go on sale next month, and the nation's electric utilities couldn't be more thrilled – or worried.

Plugged into a socket, an electric car can draw as much power as a small house. The surge in demand could knock out power to a home, or even a neighborhood. That has utilities in parts of California, Texas and North Carolina scrambling to upgrade transformers and other equipment in neighborhoods where the Nissan Leaf and Chevrolet Volt are expected to be in high demand.

Not since air conditioning spread across the country in the 1950s and 1960s has the power industry faced such a growth opportunity. Last year, Americans spent $325 billion on gasoline, and utilities would love even a small piece of that market.

The main obstacles to wide-scale use of electric cars are high cost and limited range, at least until a network of charging stations is built. But utility executives fret that difficulties keeping the lights on for the first crop of buyers_and their neighbors_could slow the growth of this new niche.

"You never get a second chance to make a first impression," says Mike Rowand, who is in charge of electric vehicle planning at Duke Energy.

Auto executives say it's inevitable that utilities will experience some difficulties early on. "We are all going to be a lot smarter two years from now," says Mark Perry, director of product planning for Nissan North America.

Electric cars run on big batteries that are charged by plugging into a standard wall socket or a more powerful charging station. A combined 30,000 Nissan Leafs and Chevrolet Volts are expected to be sold over the next year. Over the next two years, Ford, Toyota and every other major automaker also plan to offer electric cars.

Governments are promoting the expensive technology as a way to reduce dependence on foreign oil, cut greenhouse gas emissions and improve air quality. Congress is offering electric car buyers a $7,500 tax credit and some states and cities provide additional subsidies that can total $8,000. The Leaf sells for $33,000 and the Volt sells for $41,000.

Electric cars produce no emissions, but the electricity they are charged with is made mostly from fossil fuels like coal and natural gas that do. Still, electric cars produce two-thirds fewer greenhouse gas emissions, on average, than a similarly sized car that runs on gasoline, according to the Natural Resources Defense Council.

Driving 10,000 miles on electricity will use about 2,500 kilowatt-hours, a 20 percent increase over the average annual consumption of a U.S. home. At an average utility rate of 11 cents per kilowatt-hour, that's $275 for a year of fuel, equivalent to about 70 cents per gallon of gasoline.

"Electric vehicles have the potential to completely transform our business," says David Owens, executive vice president of the Edison Electric Institute, a trade group.

Nationwide, utilities have enough power plants and equipment to power hundreds of thousands of electric cars. Problems could crop up long before that many are sold, though, because of a phenomenon carmakers and utilities call "clustering."

Electric vehicle clusters are expected in neighborhoods where:

_ Generous subsidies are offered by states and localities

_ Weather is mild, because batteries tend to perform better in warmer climates

_ High-income and environmentally conscious commuters live

So while states like North Dakota and Montana may see very few electric cars, California cities like Santa Monica, Santa Barbara and Monrovia could see several vehicles on a block. SoCal Edison expects to be charging 100,000 cars by 2015. California has set a goal of 1 million electric vehicles by 2020.

Progress Energy is expecting electric car clusters to form in Raleigh, Cary and Asheville, N.C. and around Orlando and Tampa, Fla. Duke Energy is expecting the same in Charlotte and Indianapolis. The entire territory of Texas' Austin Energy will likely be an electric vehicle hot spot.

Adding an electric vehicle or two to a neighborhood can be like adding another house, and it can stress the equipment that services those houses. "We're talking about doubling the load of a conventional home," says Karl Rabago, who leads Austin Energy's electric vehicle-readiness program. "It's big."

How big depends on the size of the battery in the car, and how fast the car is charged.

When plugged into a standard 120-volt socket, the electric car will draw 1,500 watts. By comparison, a medium-sized air conditioner or a countertop microwave oven will draw about 1,000 watts.

But the car can be charged faster, and therefore draw more power, when plugged into a home charging station. The first Leafs and Volts can draw 3,300 watts, and both carmakers may boost that to 6,600 watts soon. The Tesla Roadster, an electric sports car with a huge battery, can draw 16,800 watts. That's the equivalent of 280 60-watt light bulbs.

A modest home in the San Francisco Bay area that doesn't need air conditioning might draw 3,000 watts at most.

Transformers that distribute power from the electrical grid to homes are often designed to handle fewer than a dozen. Extra stress on a transformer from one or two electric vehicles could cause it to overheat and fail, knocking out power to the block.

The "nightmare" scenario, according to Austin Energy's Rabago: People come home from work on a hot afternoon, turn on the air conditioner and the plasma television, blend some frozen cocktail, start cooking dinner on an electric stove _and plug their car into a home charging station.

An electric vehicle plugged into a standard wall socket poses a different problem. It will put less stress on a transformer, but it could trip a circuit breaker if the circuit serves other appliances. Power would go off in part of the house.

Teams of workers at utilities are gathering information from Nissan and Chevrolet, doing customer surveys and looking at buying patterns of hybrid gas-electric cars like the Toyota Prius to try to predict where they might see clusters of electric car buyers.

They are comparing that data with maps of their systems to determine what equipment might need upgrading first in hopes of avoiding blown circuits in the neighborhoods of early buyers.

Utilities also hope to convince drivers to program their cars to charge late at night, when rates are low and most appliances are switched off.

Ted Craver, the chief executive of the parent company of SoCal Edison and a chairman of an industry electric vehicle planning association, says early buyers will likely be tolerant of a few hiccups. At the same time, he says, those are the people utilities should try hard to please. "They turn into promoters," he says.

Replacing a neighborhood transformer costs a utility between $7,000 and $9,000, according to SoCal Edison. This is work a utility will often want to do. With the approval of public utility commissions, utilities can add the cost of these kinds of upgrades to the rates they charge customers across their territory.

Utility executives hope the popularity of electric cars will grow as the vehicles' costs come down and as public charging stations are made available at malls and along highways. Momentum will gather faster, they predict, if they minimize the number of home circuits that get blown and neighborhood transformers that get fried over the next two years. But they know there will be problems.

"It's like you're about to have a baby," says Duke Energy's Rowand. "You know it's going to be good, but you also know there's going to be some throw up and some dirty diapers, and you just hope that it's something you are prepared for."

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01:23 AM on 01/08/2011
Nay Sayers quote the 2nd law of thermodynamics, "perpetual motion is impossible" it "guarantees" they know nothing about the subject. The car that runs on water (hydrogen) was designed and built at H2 Global, LLC.. There are no H2 storage tanks, it is "on demand" . The smug comment that "people who make these claims are looking for funding" as if it were some fraud are equally offensive and only display a complete lack of facts. The company is funded. The car runs on water. It is a dune buggy, no place to hide storage tanks, open framed. H2G also runs electric generators up to 25 kw on water. They provide power to run equipment and generate far more power than required to crack water. No dummy, that's not perpetual motion, it uses fuel, water. All of our water fuel systems operate "on demand" no storage. Smugness arrogance and stupidity are usually bonded in the minds of those who make uninformed public comments about technology and processes they know nothing of. They can't go far from their comfort zone for fear of falling off the edge. Our technology works as demonstrated to engineers and technicians dozens of times. Many were skeptics. None were after seeing it work. Skeptics deny what they don't understand. Some still think the Earth is flat. H2 Global continues to push the envelope forward in spite of the flat earth types. See H4 gas.com for facts, not opinion.
12:17 PM on 11/29/2010
Gosh! WHY ARE WE WHINING ABOUT HAVING ELECTRIC CARS WHEN THE FIRST ONE WAS MADE IN 1835!!!!! It seems like we went back in time... They were actually pretty popular in the late 19th century and early 20th century. THEY EVEN HAD HYBRID CARS BACK THAN!!!! FREKIN 1807 had Hydrogen Vehicle (not a car) invented! DON'T LISTEN TO THOSE OIL COMPANIES WHO JUST WANTS YOUR MONEY!!!!! WE NEED TO MOVE ON OR WE WOULD BE STUCK IN THE DARK AGES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
12:30 AM on 11/27/2010
"Plugged into a socket, an electric car can draw as much power as a small house. The surge in demand could knock out power to a home, or even a neighborhood."

I am afraid that is incorrect. A large power surge can knock out power, and an EV over time might draw as much *energy* as a house. But it draws less power than a clothes dryer. If your transformer doesn't blow on Saturday when everybody does laundry, there is no need to fear EVs charging.
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09:22 AM on 11/27/2010
"The first Leafs and Volts can draw 3,300 watts", sorry but thats a LOT more than a clothes dryer. The utilities are correct in being concerned and the clustering effect is totally valid. However, at this time, cars like the Volt are way overpriced for the value and commonsense may kick in when it comes time to pull out the pocket book. Southern California is likely the best "target market" and will be an interesting proving ground. Too many blown transformers will be bad for the image!
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01:46 PM on 11/27/2010
RedmondChad is right!

mountainwrong:
"The first Leafs and Volts can draw 3,300 watts", sorry but thats a LOT more than a clothes dryer.

No, that's 100W _less_ than the middle of the range for a clothes dryer alone, and only 300W more than simultaneously running the most energy efficient available models of one clothes dryer and one washing machine. And a mere 40 gallon water heater will _always_ draw at least 36% more than that!

http://www.energysavers.gov/your_home/appliances/index.cfm/mytopic=10040
Typical Wattages of Various Appliances
Here are some examples of the range of nameplate wattages for various household appliances:

Aquarium = 50–1210 Watts
Clock radio = 10
Coffee maker = 900–1200
Clothes washer = 350–500
Clothes dryer = 1800–5000
Dishwasher = 1200–2400 (using the drying feature greatly increases energy consumption) ...

Refrigerator (frost-free, 16 cubic feet) = 725
Televisions (color)
19" = 65–110
27" = 113
36" = 133
53"-61" Projection = 170
Flat screen = 120
Toaster = 800–1400
Toaster oven = 1225
VCR/DVD = 17–21 / 20–25
Vacuum cleaner = 1000–1440
Water heater (40 gallon) = 4500–5500 ***
Water pump (deep well) = 250–1100
Water bed (with heater, no cover) = 120–380

The other point about plug-in cars is that they tend to be owned by people who care about the environment, so we'll be charging a lot of them from the solar panels over our carports and garages anyway.
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02:19 PM on 11/27/2010
You're right; they won't have a significant challenge adapting to the slight & gradual increase in demand from electric cars, unless the utilities have been horribly negligent for decades, which ... Oh. ;-)

But you were still right about the relative magnitudes of electric cars to the power requirements of standard home appliances, and it _shouldn't_ be a problem for the utilities to adapt.
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MG Metiva
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11:32 AM on 11/28/2010
Correct, the utilities have not upgraded since 1970 in many of the hot spots for enviromentalists. Only if everyone owns an electric car or two will we have a major problem.
07:20 PM on 11/26/2010
How do you charge an electric car if you don't have a garage? I know I wouldn't feel comfortable unless everything was nice outside. I worry about water. Even if it isn't raining, but if there is snow on the ground or whatever.
CKMJr
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11:20 PM on 11/25/2010
the idea that utilities are just now realizing the impact of electric cars shows to me their short-sightedness and lack of preparation.
12:40 AM on 11/27/2010
It seems to me that most utilities are aware that there will be very little impact, especially given the few EVs that are being offered for sale. I've talked to several, and they are all looking forward to it.

However, with 3200 utilities in the US, you're bound to have some that haven't done their homework. Or that have, and are trying to use bad arguments for a rate increase.
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MG Metiva
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11:36 AM on 11/28/2010
There are always a few wanting to find a reason. just any reason to raise rates.
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12:40 PM on 11/25/2010
One thing that will help is having electric cars that have real and useful ranges and that can recharge really fast. An example would be the modified Audi A2 tested in Germany last month: http://organicconnectmag.com/wp/2010/10/electric-car-drives-375-miles-at-55-mph-recharges-in-6-minutes/
01:22 PM on 11/25/2010
Actually, the utilities are MOST worried about large, fast-charging EV batteries...

But as long as they charge at night, it should not be a problem.
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08:05 AM on 11/25/2010
THe Volt gets 40 miles on a charge before it goes to gas. If you drove 10,000 miles on electric alone per year that would be 250 charges per year. However, the average is much higher, closer to 12000 miles, which would be 300 charges per year. THis means you would be plugging this thing in almost every night of the year. If we all did that, peak power would run almost all day and the grid would fail miserably. Not to mention, we would need more coal and natural gas plants even if we had wind and solar for back up when the wind don;t blow and the sun don't shine. All you are doing is moving the location of the emissions. Furthermore, the numbers don't work:

20,000 = the cost of a Honda Civic

$21,000 = the cost for gas, at an average of 2.70 per gallon, to drive a civic 225,555 miles.

If you drive an average of 12,000 miles per year, that would mean that in order to compensate for the price difference, you would have to own your Volt for over 20 years and drive no more than 40 miles (the range of the electric battery before using gas) before recharging.
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aligatorhardt
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07:27 AM on 11/26/2010
Your  stack of assumptions is an epic fail. The cars will sell and more will be built. No one is being forced to buy anything. Why resist everything new? our present systems are killing us.
12:48 AM on 11/27/2010
Whoa. The Volt battery only takes 10kWh (yes, it's a 16kWh battery, but they don't use all of it). If you plug it in every night, even drained, it will only use 10kWh per night. How on earth can this make "peak power run almost all day"? The grid won't notice that at all.

If they are plugged in at peak hours, we might need more power plants. But if they are plugged in at night, the plants are just running and throwing away power now. We won't need new plants until nighttime peaks equal daytime peaks. We'd have to convert more than 3/4 of our cars to electric to get to that point.

As for the money argument...first, it's a silly argument, because people buy V8s, sunroofs and leather seating without considering payback. Most people buying electric cars don't want to continue sending a billion dollars a day out of our economy and in to the middle east.

But the Volt's price is intentionally high to stop dealer gouging on a car that will initially be produced way below demand. Almost everybody signed up for it is leasing. It's $350/month. Most of those will see almost $100/month in fuel savings at current gas prices (which most experts assume will grow over the lifetime of the car). That's equivalent to a $250/month lease. How much less than that can you lease a Civic?
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03:11 PM on 11/24/2010
Electric cars? Pish-posh. Old school. Want to see something ABSOLUTELY FRIGGEN UNBELIEVABLE AND FANTASTIC: Check out the URL below. SERIOUSLY!!! It IS about a car and one I think many have never seen and/or heard of!!! Hope 'Y all bought some of that GM stock!

http://www.flixxy.com/gm-hy-wire-concept-car.htm
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07:53 PM on 11/24/2010
I remember the Jetson's flying car, too.
I'm not saying it won't happen, just not any
time soon.
12:05 PM on 11/29/2010
That might sound like a good idea, but it takes fossil fuels to contain hydrogen.
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05:53 AM on 11/24/2010
This is so silly. Just an attempt by the utilities to grab a windfall where one does not exist. The average Ev has a an impact on the grid equal to a washer/dryer used twice a day or a washer/dryer three times a week and a dishwasher daily. No one is proposing banning or regulating major appliances. Throw in refigerators and big screen TVs and we are in the area of ridiculousness. The point of electric cars is to save average people money on fuel and maintenance. $2-$3,000 per year per commuting family will change the economy and better peoples lives. Cleaner roads, cleaner air, lower health care costs, yeah yeah, that too but don't distract us.
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Organic-Guy
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12:16 AM on 11/24/2010
Why can't solar be a part of this solution? How about an optional solar array and maybe even one that folds up and fits in the trunk. Right now a photovoltaic system probably would have to be huge to do all the charging but surely a supplemental system could extend the milage of the car and cut down on electric demand from the grid.
Genders
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02:50 PM on 11/24/2010
Just put the solar panels on the homes, business and parking lots.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
04:54 AM on 11/26/2010
A little - a car needs 30-50kW of power, which means ~300 square meters of solar cells, so with 5-6 square meters available, it would be a 2% effect. Solar roofs on single-storey parking lots however is a fine idea.
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10:28 PM on 11/23/2010
I had to modify my garage door so that the Hummer I got for a steal would fit more easily inside.
07:23 PM on 11/26/2010
I actually have a similar story, although I now you are joking. My parents couldn't fit their SUV in the garage, it was too long, they had shelves in the back, had to take those down to fit the SUV (it was an older home with a 1 car garage).
05:07 PM on 11/23/2010
Of course the other impact of these vehicles will be the increasing defunding of our infrastructure systems as while fuel has federal state and local excise taxes for infrastructure electricity does not.

So a system whose tax rate hasn't changed since late bush 1 at the federal level already feeling the cuts of increased fuel efficiency looks to be taking another hit.
07:30 AM on 11/25/2010
I was wondering how long it would take before someone pointed this out. What a tangled web we have woven.

It's a problem, but not an insurmountably one.
01:51 AM on 11/26/2010
Very true there are any number of ways to do it. However it will be easier to do so today than when 20 million americans like not being taxed. So we should be discussing it now and someone should be writting the law that becomes effective in 2020 or so that replenishes that revenue stream.

We have charging stations on a smart grid - pretty easy place to do it.

Could go through miles travelled under multiple schemes etc...

Americans are cheap beeter to pass the structure now.
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aligatorhardt
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07:30 AM on 11/26/2010
I think Congress will invent a new tax just for the purpose; they seem to do that part of the job well.
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MG Metiva
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11:41 AM on 11/28/2010
That always happens. Congress will nickel and dime us to death or at least a lower standard of living.
01:15 PM on 11/23/2010
We must push Congress to create a massive investment in clean renewable energy so we can charge these new cars in an environmentally friendly way.  We need to keep the pressure on.
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10:29 PM on 11/23/2010
No one will be able to afford this pipe dream.
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12:30 AM on 11/24/2010
No one? Ever? Sounds a little extreme to me. Almost every new technology is expensive at first. A calculator used to cost over 100 bucks and now they litter the streets practically. Digital watches were over a hundred and more at first. now you can find them for less than 5 bucks.
Eventually the costs will come down. It will take a little time but it will happen and we've yet to achieve the best technology too. We'll get there. Try to be more positive. Look at what you;re doing right now. 30 years ago it would have been impossible.
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Alg0rhythm
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01:00 PM on 11/24/2010
Ridiculous... did you think VCR's were a pipe dream, too? How can switching off fossil fuels... (active extraction) to renewables (build it and just collect the energy) not be helpful...
01:14 PM on 11/23/2010
It is great news that we are about to experience the introduction of an invention that has the potential to save the planet from climate change and save the world from economic collapse due to oil scarcity.  We should all do our best to get an electric car when we can.  We should also continue pushing for clean renewable energy to charge these cars.
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08:08 AM on 11/25/2010
Yes, we need to increase the amount of coal we need to burn to charge our electric cars...
12:53 AM on 11/27/2010
Why do you burn coal? I don't burn any; I buy wind power. 40% of EV owners have solar panels. Coal is less than half the US mix, and dropping.

At night, when EVs charge, most utilities are throwing away power because they can't turn their plants off. Adding EVs won't burn more coal...although EV motors are so much more efficient than gas motors that it would still be a win even if we were all coal.

Here is a meta-review of about 40 studies on the subject: http://www.sherryboschert.com/Downloads/emissions.pdf.
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aligatorhardt
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11:32 AM on 11/23/2010
This article is total propaganda. The comparisons of electric usage are exaggerated and some downright false. This is another attempt to scare people away form using cars that compete favorably with petroleum use. Obviously if a homeowner with an electric car was to install some solar power, they could be driving with zero emissions. The concern about overloading home circuits is false as no large appliance is legally tied in on a circuit that would be overloaded, charging circuits are new installations on dedicated circuits, and this is explained to owners. While a 120 V circuit could be utilized and overloaded, the modern breaker system shuts off power to an overloaded circuit and the same problem could occur with space heaters or any other large appliance or portable air conditioner. The slow charging times when using 120V outlets discourage owners from relying on these circuits. Most owners will install dedicated charging outlets in their garage and some manufacturers are including that equipment, or offering it as an accessory. This is no more demanding than air conditioning or swimming pools and those are not overusing electric supplies. The transformer at your house is unlikely to be overloaded by this one addition to power usage. This electric demand is not a concern. Most charging will occur at night when offices are closed and air conditioning needs are reduced, also electric rates are lower in off peak hours. This is the worse reason to avoid electric cars so far.
Genders
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12:27 PM on 11/23/2010
Yup. the average house has 200Amps at 220V, that's about 44,000 watts. No problem. Yes, it may require more generating capacity, let's get that from green energy.
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10:30 PM on 11/23/2010
Magic leap from A to B there Sparky.
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11:48 AM on 11/28/2010
Like the inflated price, or limited range.