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Late Night TV More Crowded, Varied Than Ever

DAVID BAUDER   11/23/10 06:09 AM ET   AP

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NEW YORK — The late-night television landscape used to be fairly easy to describe: There was Jay Leno, David Letterman and everybody else.

Now, it just seems, there's everybody else.

Late-night TV is losing audience and influence just as the time period has a breadth and quality of material it has never before had, with Conan O'Brien's TBS show that started this month the latest example.

Leno and Letterman, both in the twilight of their television careers, are still the most popular performers. But O'Brien, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel, Craig Ferguson, Jimmy Fallon, George Lopez and Chelsea Handler all have rabid fan bases.

"There are a lot of viable options out there," said David Campanelli, vice president and director of national television for Horizon Media, who purchases TV advertising time for clients. "I don't have to go to one or two places to spend my late-night money."

NBC's Leno topped the ratings for 14 years before NBC replaced him at the "Tonight" show in 2009 with O'Brien, and sent Leno into prime time. The move proved disastrous, and Leno was back in his old job within a year.

Leno immediately reclaimed the top spot in the ratings from Letterman. But this fall the competition between the two has been tight.

Leno has averaged 3.7 million viewers a night through eight weeks of the season, the Nielsen Co. said. Letterman is right behind at 3.6 million. Leno has been on top six of the eight weeks. Since two autumns ago when they went head-to-head, Leno's audience is down 23 percent while Letterman is up 3 percent.

What happened to Leno's fans? There may be some lingering bad feelings among viewers over O'Brien's exit, when Leno was criticized for taking back a job he never really wanted to leave in the first place. Maybe casual fans simply got out of the habit of watching "Tonight" during Leno's absence. NBC's prime-time struggles may have finally caught up with him. It is likely a combination of all three.

"No one sees Leno as the big player anymore – the one show you have to be on," Campanelli said. "'The Tonight Show' used to be the one you had to be on."

Leno's struggles leave Letterman in a position to take over the lead, even though his audience is getting smaller, too – just not as fast as Leno's. Letterman lost the bump he received when competing against O'Brien on the "Tonight" show, and he's down 16 percent since last fall.

"The moment that Dave felt that he could no longer beat Jay Leno, that's when he started to gain on him," said Aaron Barnhart, a late-night TV expert and founder of the TV Barn website. "It's very possible he's going to do a victory lap before he goes off into the sunset."

Letterman is 63, Leno is 60. Their audiences, besides becoming smaller, are older and less valuable to advertisers.

O'Brien already looks more comfortable on TBS than he ever did on the "Tonight" show. He had 4.1 million viewers for his first night on TBS, following heavy promotion.

"We were blown away by the numbers the first night," said Michael Wright, TBS programming chief. "But nobody got back and said this was going to be the audience (moving forward). It just doesn't work out that way."

O'Brien averaged 2.9 million viewers the first week, and was at 1.8 million the first three nights of last week, Nielsen said. Wright said TBS anticipated O'Brien would attract viewers with an average age in their late 30s, and instead it's been about 10 years younger. TBS is thrilled about that demographic; the same young audience at "Tonight" made NBC nervous.

O'Brien's show cut into the ratings for one direct competitor: Stewart at Comedy Central's "The Daily Show." It has been averaging 2 million viewers a night this fall, but was down to 1.4 million on O'Brien's first week, Nielsen said. Colbert's audience on O'Brien's first week was 300,000 less than the season average.

Michele Ganeless, Comedy Central president, said some reduction in audience size for their shows was to be expected given that the midterm elections were over. With O'Brien in the mix, there's evidence that more people are saving the Comedy Central shows on their digital video recorders, she said.

"What Jon and Stephen do is so unique and unparalleled, and so different from what Conan does that there really is room for all of them to succeed," Ganeless said.

Stewart and Colbert do lead in buzz – the watercooler moments that are hard to measure but make them more influential than their audience size would suggest.

Many of the other contenders are bunched up in the ratings so far this season, each with his own audiences and constituencies. Ferguson is averaging 1.8 million viewers following Letterman on CBS, and Fallon has 1.7 million after Leno on NBC. ABC's Kimmel also averages 1.7 million, and has been getting strong word-of-mouth. Even though he moved back an hour, Lopez averaged 1.1 million viewers for the first week he followed O'Brien on TBS. Handler on E! Entertainment's "Chelsea Lately" gets just under 1 million.

The late-night talent is an abundance of riches that some in the industry quietly believe will never happen again. Within that group could be Leno and Letterman's replacements. But will it matter?

They all compete against a force that's only going to get stronger: Viewers watching not live shows but programs they have recorded earlier on DVRs. Shows may also have to confront the issue of fans not watching because they can easily follow highlights online the next day.

Late-night is no longer the easy source of advertising revenue, and when the old stalwarts leave, the 12:30 shows could be in danger.

"I don't think you're going to see a king of late-night again," Campanelli said. "You'll see a diverse playing field the way you're seeing it right now."

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NEW YORK — The late-night television landscape used to be fairly easy to describe: There was Jay Leno, David Letterman and everybody else. Now, it just seems, there's everybody else.
NEW YORK — The late-night television landscape used to be fairly easy to describe: There was Jay Leno, David Letterman and everybody else. Now, it just seems, there's everybody else.
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07:24 PM on 11/30/2010
"The move proved disastrous, and Leno was back in his old job within a year."
SHOULD BE:
"The move was disastrously handled by NBC, as Leno awkwardly half-kept his job the whole time right before Conan"

NBC didn't commit to the move (even though their new host and his entire staff and their families did...), NBC didn't acknowledge that media is changing rapidly, and NBC decided old jokes and old audiences were more valuable in the short term, than the awesome audience it would have in two or three years if they had you know, actually given Conan a decent chance. Not only did it lack professionalism, I think it was short-sighted. And the way they changed things again 6 months through completely angered Conan fans, it exposed NBC and Leno as kind of douch-ey to even to Leno fans, and NBC deserves to have the audience move elsewhere. Hopefully, to Conan, someone who has always been willing to take risks, and do new things, and adapt...something of which NBC and Leno are not capable of (it's not that surprising...just look at Jays humor). Letterman is funnier than Leno anyway - I hope he does get his victory lap. Jay doesn't seem to like female comedians either - there is just something about him that strikes me as sexist, always has.
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04:54 AM on 11/28/2010
"Late Night TV More Crowded, Monotonous Than Ever"

Fixed that headline for ya.
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Roma6888
10:35 PM on 11/27/2010
When i have time I love watching Letterman, Conan and then Lopez. But the one i won miss for anything is Letterman. I love his sarcastic humor.
07:00 PM on 11/25/2010
I dvr the folks on comedy central and watch conan nightly
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01:34 AM on 11/25/2010
The trouble with all these guys is that they're incapable of interviewing outside their comedy personas. Johnny Carson and Jack Paar were masters of repartee but still worked with a variety format. That aspect of late night has been dead for a long time.
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R U Sirius
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04:49 PM on 11/24/2010
VARIED? No. Louder, more vulgar undoubtedly, but varied? I don't think so.
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03:16 AM on 11/29/2010
I love the vulgar stuff they are pushing and I am buying - for example conan made a gay an*l sex joke the other day (in the first TSA bit), it was funny
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07:11 AM on 11/29/2010
funneee. I'll let him enlarge his fortune on your lack of taste, thanks.
01:09 PM on 11/24/2010
Conan had the chance to break the mold, but he's just doing the same thing as every other show.
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03:17 AM on 11/29/2010
give him some time... it's hard to tell what his ethos is as of yet...
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JScott
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10:00 AM on 11/24/2010
Jeez I'm in bed by then have to work tomorrow, I don't watch em.

How does anyone do that, oh yeah if there's 10% unemp. I guess that's who's watching, I guess
that's enough to get decent ratings.
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10:26 PM on 11/26/2010
You do realize that some people have figured out how to watch online or they own a DVR right?

I have a few friends that are unemployed right now and they spend a lot of time out trying to get a job. I don't think unemployment percentages and tv ratings have much correlation.

I myself have a job with early hours and so I use my DVR to record shows I want to watch and if I miss something good I can almost always find it online.
12:39 PM on 11/27/2010
MF DOOM. I love his stuff.
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03:17 AM on 11/29/2010
yeah...... a lot of dvr's are clicking perhaps and they don't get that great or ratings anyway..
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09:49 AM on 11/24/2010
the first casualty of late night wars neo will be chelsea handler. under a million viewers, and her fans have grown tired of her same jokes every day of sex with black men and her "cslopus" or whatever you spell it. george lopez came in last year, and began cracking away at her viewer base and hasnt stopped even with his move to 11. conan has proven a crowd can migrate, being simply put that it is at 10, 30 minutes before leno and letterman(i have never watched letterman, and havent watched leno since the screwjob). i watch the daily show sometimes... the next day during their replays in the afternoon.
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03:07 PM on 11/26/2010
too much information...
09:31 AM on 11/24/2010
Fascinating, in the way that watching dinosaurs struggling in a tar pit would be fascinating.
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06:08 PM on 11/23/2010
At the risk of being labled a troublemaker:

Conan O'Brien
Jon Stewart
Stephen Colbert
Jimmy Kimmel
Craig Ferguson
Jimmy Fallon
George Lopez
Chelsea Handler

Diversity?
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quivira
07:15 PM on 11/23/2010
Just a tiny bit.
09:28 PM on 11/23/2010
If youre trying to make a point I missed it, cos that group does have alot of diversity, both in comedy and style. Sure the majority and the popular is the white man, but its just a fact that African-Americans and Latinos are a minority. And there is Lopez, and Tavis Smiley etc.
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04:05 PM on 11/23/2010
Conan O'Brien - the terminal adolescent
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Cloball
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10:59 AM on 11/24/2010
Aren't they all in one way or another. They're comedians.
12:46 PM on 11/27/2010
NO, that's Sarah Silverman.
03:08 PM on 11/23/2010
My question is who gets the Tonight Show when Leno is finally ready to retire for real?
I hope it goes to Jimmy Fallon, he has the most fun talk show I think I've ever watched.
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Tom Sutpen
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08:16 PM on 11/23/2010
It could be Fallon. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility of NBC finally putting 'The Tonight Show' to rest.
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auramac
12:13 AM on 11/24/2010
They'll consider Stewart, but it looks like Fallon. Tonight isn't going to disappear anytime soon, though. Not until the networks do.
08:50 AM on 11/27/2010
I'd give it to Ahmir Thompson of the Roots, with Tariq Trotter as co-host. Those guys are 1000% cleverer than Fallon.
09:32 PM on 11/23/2010
The real question is who cares at this point. This article touches on the fact that with all this diversity the name: 'the tonight show' means absolute bupkiss.Whatever little it meant before the whole Leno/Conan thing has been completely tarnished. Your favorites will still have a show when they finally leave, and they will either be replaced or not; Doesnt really matter. You can bet that the heir to either throne won't gain any extra recognition for inheriting their shows.
02:33 PM on 11/23/2010
More varied? Well, I suppose it's so because of Colbert, Stewart, and Ferguson, but come on ... Conan, Jay, Kimmel, Fallon, and Dave all basically do the same show.

Not much variety in the typical late night show.
09:33 PM on 11/23/2010
If you werent so idiotic and single minded and have actually watched these shows you will know that they are very far from the same show. You may as well say 'all comedians basically do the same act'.
08:48 AM on 11/27/2010
Easy, tiger. From a format perspective, JQ is absolutely right. Opening monologue, celebrity guests flogging latest movie/record/TV series, etc., a few comedy bits, a musical guest. No real difference. You could add Lopez here as well. The Comedy Central guys are the ones breaking the mold.
02:29 PM on 11/23/2010
Duh, there is a reason Conan did not get the ratings of Leno during his run on the Tonight Show, because his audience is younger. Conan's fans use technology to their advantage; Hulu, TVR, etc. He does not have less viewers, just less that are dependent on watching when it is on TV. These factors should be taken into account, and as time goes on we will see less and less emphasis on "tuning in". The viewers are in control now, what a concept.
03:15 PM on 11/23/2010
"He does not have less viewers"

Got any stats on that? Also, keep in mind that all of the other shows make content available online, also. So that's another factor you'd have to take into account.
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04:54 PM on 11/23/2010
"Also, keep in mind that all of the other shows make content available online, also". Did you miss where CLundO said that Conan's fan use technology to their advantage? Indeed, the other shows make content online however their fan bases don't have the same propensity to go online and watch full-shows because their viewers are much older, and less tech savvy. However, Conan's fans are predominately younger and they will indeed watch his shows online, because they're better familiar with the internet.
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Mike Clark II
memphis, journalism major. nuff said
09:53 AM on 11/24/2010
dude, i watched conan almost every night. the episodes i missed, i watched on hulu. just because i am younger does not mean i do not watch what i like when it comes on. if that was so, the main viewership of glee (primarily people in their late teens to early 30s) would not watch glee on tuesday nights, they would go to hulu. hulu is good for shows, but the main meat for viewers and ratings is TELEVISION, not broadband internet and a snappy computer monitor.