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Web Delivery Firm Says Comcast Charging Unfair Fee For Data

JOELLE TESSLER   11/29/10 08:15 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Level 3 Communications Inc., an Internet backbone company that supports Netflix Inc.'s increasingly popular movie streaming service, complained Monday that cable giant Comcast Corp. is charging it an unfair fee for the right to send data to its subscribers.

Comcast replied it is being swamped by a flood of data and needs to be paid.

Level 3 said it agreed to pay under protest, but that the fee violates the principles of an "open Internet." It also goes against the Federal Communications Commission's proposed rules preventing broadband Internet providers from favoring certain types of traffic, it said.

"Comcast is effectively putting up a toll booth at the borders of its broadband Internet access network, enabling it to unilaterally decide how much to charge for content," said Level 3's chief legal officer, Thomas Stortz, in a statement.

Comcast called Level 3's position "duplicitous" and said a previous deal for the companies to handle traffic for each other had become unbalanced in Level 3's favor.

The spat reflects the complicated commercial relationships of the Internet, where it's not always clear who should be paying whom.

Level 3's main business is carrying Internet traffic across the country, charging Internet service providers like Comcast fees to connect to Web sites and other ISPs.

However, it is moving into the business of distributing Internet content such as movies for companies including Netflix. Under that business model, it is acting like a content-delivery network, which usually pays ISPs for fast access to their networks.

Level 3, which is based in Broomfield, Colo., is now pushing to Comcast five times the traffic that goes the other way.

"When one provider exploits this type of relationship by pushing the burden of massive traffic growth onto the other provider and its customers, we believe this is not fair," Comcast's senior vice president Joe Waz said in a statement.

The dispute comes at a sensitive time for Comcast Corp., which is trying to get regulatory clearance to buy majority control of NBC Universal from General Electric Co. for cash and assets worth $13.75 billion.

The government is examining the deal, especially around concerns that the nation's largest cable TV provider could wield undue power in the distribution of online video once it takes control.

Level 3 said Comcast made a take-it-or-leave-it demand last week and it only agreed to the terms under protest to prevent consumer disruptions. Comcast said it is meeting with Level 3 later this week to discuss a new solution.

The fight is related to a heated policy dispute in Washington over proposed rules governing Internet traffic.

FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski has been pushing to adopt so-called "network neutrality" rules for more than a year, arguing that they are necessary to prevent phone and cable giants from using their broadband monopolies to become online gatekeepers.

Public interest groups were quick to jump on Level 3's complaint Monday to argue that premium services should not be allowed.

"Comcast's request of payment in exchange for content transmission is yet another example of why citizens need strong, effective network neutrality rules that include a ban on such 'paid prioritization' practices," Andrew Jay Schwartzman, senior vice president of Media Access Project, said in a statement.

The FCC had no comment.

It's not the first time Comcast, which is based in Philadelphia, has been accused of unfairly regulating Web traffic.

In 2008, the FCC ordered the cable giant to stop slowing and blocking its subscribers from accessing an online file-sharing service called BitTorrent, which lets people swap movies and other big files over the Internet.

For Netflix, the dustup could affect its popular video-streaming offering, to which it is pushing customers to save on the cost of sending rental DVDs in the mail.

Netflix declined to comment.

Starting next year, Level 3 will become Netflix's primary network for piping Internet video, although Netflix also will continue to rely on systems run by Limelight Networks Inc. and Akamai Technologies Inc.

If Level 3 is forced to pay more to send movies to homes that rely on Comcast for Internet service, it eventually could try to pass on the costs to Netflix and its subscribers.

As more of its 17 million subscribers embrace Internet streaming, Netflix's service has emerged as the biggest source of Internet traffic in the U.S. during peak evening periods, according to a recent study by Sandvine Inc.

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AP Business Writers Michael Liedtke in San Francisco and Peter Svensson in New York contributed to this report.

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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
07:49 PM on 12/02/2010
Don't let Comcast buy NBC. It is very obvious that they believe they should be able to run their business like a monopoly. That means supply and demand will not be factors for Comcast. Comcast will set prices to whatever they want prices to be. They need to be broken up and destroyed, not allowed to get bigger.
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jalaroc
06:42 PM on 12/01/2010
This is a little more complicated than first appearances suggest. This company switched its business plan from carrying internet traffic to providing content, which means that instead of providing a means of moving data, it is requiring a means of moving data that it generates. Instead of just maintaining a toll based roadway, it is putting trucks on other companys' toll highways. Yeah, Comcast is a bunch of greedy SOBs who believe they have a sacred right make a profit regardless of how it affects everyone else or even fairness, but in this case, it's Comcast that is in the right, here.
04:17 PM on 12/01/2010
Comcast is just pissed that Netflix is attracting a lot of customers because their prices are actually fair and no one wants to pay $5/movie when I can get lots more from netflix for that price.. S*ck it Comcast.
02:33 PM on 12/01/2010
Do you know what the difference is between sending 10 gigs of data through a 10 Mbps connection to a home and sending 100 gigs of data through a 50 Mbps connection to a home?

About 2 cents and whatever labour costs it takes to have an employee spend the 30 seconds to adjust the bandwidth to the home.

The infrastruc­ture is already in place.  The pipes can already handle X amount of traffic, and Comcast's customers come nowhere near saturating it, even if they were to stream 24/7.  These providers are just greedy.  Comcast's argument that they should be entitled to do this because of "added costs to them" is specious and fallacious.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
07:50 PM on 12/02/2010
And what makes this even worse is that the infrastructure was laid by the US Govt, NOT by Comcast who is just a free-rider when it comes to investing in their own industry.
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AfricanLivedit
Returned Peace Corps Volunteer 2005-2007
11:00 AM on 12/01/2010
Hate Comcast so much. Truly are the most despicable high tech company in the country.
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08:52 AM on 12/01/2010
The big boys are taking over. Because they can.
When the FCC announced that they wanted more authority over the Internet, I read an article on CNSNews (right wing).
The comments were as expected. Obama is a socialist, communist, Nazi and Muslim. And this is more government intrusion into our Free Market (They're stealing our freedoms). Everyone should be free to do what they want - ie the free market premise: Individuals acting in their own self-interest provide for the public good. What's good for Comcast is good for everybody.
Think into laissez-faire capitalism about a millimeter and you can see that it has shortcomings, limitations, undesirable consequences.
But the free market worshipers won't look, and they won't think.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
07:53 PM on 12/02/2010
The logical conclusion of libertarianism is that every industry is run by one monopoly. A monopoly can charge whatever price they want because there are barriers to entry of other firms joining in their market. Libertarians claim to be all about healthy markets, but they live in a fantasy world created by Ayn Rand in which markets will always sort things out all by themselves. What they don't know is that the 'invisible hand' is a pickpocket.
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04:31 AM on 12/06/2010
I also think it's a fantasy world, and an awful lot of people have bought into it. (Free Market worshipers.)
Not that there's nothing to the fantasy world. It's valid under certain conditions, like a village of 100 people with the cobbler, blacksmith and baker, and in the real world to some extent.
But the notion that "Individual­s acting in their own self-inter­est provide for the public good" falls apart pretty quick. Individuals (and companies) use what power they have to further their own self-interest, regardless of how they impact others. This seems to be how human nature and power works.
Free market favors the powerful, resulting maybe in monopolies like you said. And free market moves toward plutocracy.
This ain't so hard to see. The worshipers, like I said, seem unwilling to look.
I sometimes wonder if the "invisible hand" is seen to be God. If anyone believes this it would be Michele Bachman.
03:17 AM on 12/01/2010
Yeah, this is just the beginning folks.

If this stuff is allowed to go on, soon the internet will be a useful as radio, TV or maybe even cable, oh happy day.
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Scott Ferguson
01:10 AM on 12/01/2010
Boycott Comcast
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J0E1
Don't blame me, I'm not a republicrat.
02:41 PM on 12/01/2010
In some areas of the country, boycotting comcast is boycotting the internet.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
07:55 PM on 12/02/2010
With Walmart, at least you get cheaper prices. Not so with Comcast.
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12:35 AM on 12/01/2010
“CONcast Cable” is to telecommunications what the Mafia was to gambling, drugs, prostitution, and union-fixing during the 50’s, and 1960’s! They are as corrupt! …

BREAKING: Huff Post is reporting:
Comcast is blocking 'Netflix' unless a NEW fee is paid to Comcast -- so Netflix's price goes up and people use Comcast's video service instead. Here’s why you should care…

The FCC will soon decide whether to allow Comcast to buy NBC/ MSNBC/ Universal Studios! Internet providers like Comcast can drive their financial competitors (or political opponents) out of business by charging them more, for no good reason -- exactly what's happening right NOW!...

You can’t imagine what Comcast will do to block customers from getting video from ABC, CBS, and other media outlets? For instance, Comcast will block or degrade iTunes, which competes with Comcast's own online music store. This is way more serious than just MOVIES…

They also have internet services, and land line phone services, currently, -- the FCC's decision impacts pretty much everything…

I urge my F&F to tell the FCC to stop Comcast's abuse of power and protect the open Internet. -- then pass it on.... If you’re on Facebook or Twitter see below…
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BREAKING: @Comcast blocking Netflix! Tell @FCC to stop the abuse & protect the open Internet! http://bit.ly/hmVXkp @BoldProgressive RT! You should know that the PCCC.org is doing grassroots activism…

We need to protect the open Internet and Net Neutrality -- which would prevent this type of corporate thuggery!

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socialtalker
this micro-bio is a great idea!
11:14 PM on 11/30/2010
as bad as people consider comcast, in my neighborhood, its the only viable service. ATT dsl is completely unstable- unusable.
this country is going down the drain fast. we should have invested in so much of our infrastructure and made war instead. now its too late, we have no money and have to rely on the private sector, they work hard to provide very little for as much money as they can charge.
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mrcontinental
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12:06 AM on 12/01/2010
Capitalism at its finest.
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08:00 AM on 12/01/2010
Well, the infrastructure was built on shoddy regulation that protected and ensured monopolistic desires of companies like AT&T and the big 3 broadcasters. Like many other problems, this is going to take some sweeping re-regulation which I am not optimistic will happen.
Even a company like Netflix is fairly small compared to Comcast or Verizon, so this is going to be a tough one for them to win.
Quite frankly, with the major setbacks experienced in other regulatory endeavors, I would not be surprised if Comcast wins this fight quite handily. The republicans will stand by their right to protect their profits and revenue, and enough Democrats -afraid of being labeled "anti-business" will bend on a few token gestures to 'public access' style accomodations for government information and nonprofit content and websites.
You would think we would have one of the best telecom networks in the world, but its going to get far worse before it gets better.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
07:59 PM on 12/02/2010
What the democrats need to do, instead of getting painted into a corner as "bad for business" is CHAMPION Netflix's "right to protect their profits and revenue" as well. Then it becomes a Comcast vs Netflix fight and who do you think the people are going to side with? Netflix, of course, because they provide a decent service at a decent price. Comcast's only virtue is that for many people they are the only ticket to the internet. But those people would be benefited immensely if Comcast were broken up. That would remove the barriers to entry in their market and other firms would jump in to correct the market imbalances created by Comcast.
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Social Shrink
10:48 PM on 11/30/2010
I have no option but comcast in my building. if I could, i would drop them in a heartbeat. high prices for not really that much that's impressive.

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ProudToBeVeryLiberal
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09:27 PM on 11/30/2010
How many internet providers can you choose from where you live? 3? 4? 5 if you're really lucky? Well, if you lived in a South Korean city, you could chose from about 30 at any time. No wonder prices are substantially lower and speeds substantially higher.

Must be that wonderful "free market" of ours Republicans brag so much about it...
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
08:45 AM on 12/01/2010
S. Korea also has a population density more than 10 times that in the United States, so it is much less expensive to build network infrastructure there.  On top of that, companies that invest in such infrastructure are generally required by the government to lease it out to competitors, and the government threw a lot of money at developing their networks.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
08:04 PM on 12/02/2010
The govt threw a lot of money toward developing OUR networks as well. You remember of course that the internet was being tossed out by Defense until Sen. Al Gore saw it's potential as a civilian information network and secured funding to get fibre-optic cables put in the ground? The internet is a great example of good govt at work.

Now, if America actually HAD a free market system in the first place our cost of internet service would be much, much lower. Maybe not as low as S. Korea, for population density reasons, as you said, but because we would have more competition if there weren't barriers to entry preventing more firms from competing. Instead we have cartels and crony capitalism here in America. Firms jacking up prices as high as they can get them because there is no other firms allowed to join the market and offer a lower price.
08:59 PM on 11/30/2010
i'm thinking comcast has a lot of nerve yelling about pricing. when i first decided to use comcast for my internet provider, i paid $20-something a month. i had problems, i was on the phone ironing them out with microsoft, norton, etc. that all were fighting over the computer. real smart design by real smart people. now, 5 years later, i pay over $64- a month and still get jumpy netflix, etc.; i get on the honk often to several computer help lines, iow-nothing's changed? i think comcast is a venal company, not interested in customer assistance, just a good wall street profile. no better than any other provider, they're all in the same boat, practically.
i'm for net neutrality, but i'm just a poor working american, who is used as a cash cow, from the president, on down.
if comcast were a brilliant company, they'd already have designed a closed captioning feature, but no, like every other business i have written to (pbs, msnbc, abc, netflix, bbc,etc.) it's apparent they are more interested in that wall street cred, than their main street cred. their death is immanent. it boils down to poor customer service, and poor web design.
whoever figures out the sweet spot will be the winner. they'll have a functioning web design, and good customer service, answered by caring, hard-working americans.
i read comcast as a bully. that's just not going to work for my pocketbook, or my vote, or my community.
08:17 PM on 11/30/2010
oh yeah - I use DirecTV for my TV services and I highly recommend them.
08:13 PM on 11/30/2010
boycott Comcast - I would if I had it, Thankfully I I rely on Qwest and they have yet to cause an issue such as this.
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Eris23Skidoo
Dischordian Keynesian
08:06 PM on 12/02/2010
Qwest also refused to allow Dick Cheney to read your emails.