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John McCain: 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Repeal Study Flawed

John Mccain Dont Ask Dont Tell Repeal

ANNE FLAHERTY   12/ 2/10 11:18 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — A doubting John McCain led Republican opposition Thursday to letting gays serve openly in the military, sternly clashing with the Pentagon's top leaders and warning that troops would quit in droves if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" law.

In tense exchanges with Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, McCain and other Republicans dismissed a Pentagon study on gays as biased and said objections by combat troops were being ignored.

Gates and Mullen defended the study, but McCain blamed politics for pushing the matter forward during wartime. He predicted that Marines and soldiers assigned combat duties, in particular, would abandon their service if they had to serve along with gays open about their sexual orientation.

McCain, R-Ariz., also said the study was flawed because it asked troops what impact repeal would have, instead of whether they wanted the law repealed at all. The study found that two-thirds of troops predicted few problems, but those who did were mostly assigned to combat roles.

"We send these young people into combat," said McCain. "We think they're mature enough to fight and die. I think they're mature enough to make a judgment on who they want to serve with and the impact on their battle effectiveness."

Gates shot back that asking troops if they want to serve alongside gays would amount to issuing a referendum on a policy decision that should be made by Congress or the courts. The goal of the study, he said, was to find out it if it could be done without hurting the military's ability to fight.

"Are you going to ask them if they want 15-month tours? You going to ask them if they want to be part of the surge in Iraq? That's not the way our civilian-led military has ever worked in our entire history," Gates said.

McCain, a four-term Republican and former Navy pilot who endured a harrowing ordeal as a prisoner of war during the Vietnam War, has taken a higher profile on socially divisive issues since losing the 2008 presidential race to Barack Obama. He has even differed with his wife, Cindy, who in a recent online video opposed the military policy and accused the government of treating gays like "second-class citizens."

Frowning and lecturing Gates and other top officials who tried to defend the Obama administration's effort to repeal the gay ban, McCain scoffed at their contention that the concerns of combat troops could be addressed through time and training.

His opposition foreshadows this month's Senate debate on a bill to overturn the 1993 "don't ask, don't tell" law banning gays from serving openly in the armed forces.

Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has promised a Senate vote. But Republicans have blocked previous attempts on procedural grounds. Further hurting chances of repeal is an agreement among the Senate GOP not to vote on any bill this month before addressing tax cuts and government spending.

Throughout Thursday's hearing by the Senate Armed Services Committee, McCain was openly dismissive of Gates and Mullen, appearing angry and even suggesting at one point that the two leaders had failed personally because their 10-month study didn't directly ask troops whether they supported the law.

"Every great leader I've ever known always consulted subordinates for their views, no matter what the issue," McCain said.

Mullen took particular exception to suggestions by McCain made prior to Thursday's hearing that the Joint Chiefs chairman's opinion was less valuable because he wasn't directly commanding troops from his perch at the Pentagon.

"You do not have to agree with me on this issue," Mullen said. "But don't think for one moment that I haven't carefully considered the impact of the advice I give on those who will have to live with the decisions that advice informs."

Gates and Mullen on Thursday asked Congress to act as soon as possible to pre-empt further intervention from federal courts.

Earlier this fall, a federal judge in California shook the Pentagon's cautious effort by ordering the department to stop enforcing the ban. For eight days, the ban was lifted, creating confusion and uncertainty among troops until an appeals court granted a stay and reasserted the policy.

"Repeal of the law will not prove unacceptable risk to military readiness," Mullen told the Senate panel on Thursday. "Unit cohesion will not suffer if our units are well-led. And families will not encourage their loved ones to leave the service in droves."

Each of the panel's Republicans, except repeal supporter Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, agreed with McCain that the study was flawed. Several said the 28 percent response rate was too small to be indicative of the entire force. Gen. Carter Ham, who co-chaired the study, said he was comfortable that troops who did respond were representative.

Republicans also noted that combat troops were the most resistant to the change, and said retention of valuable soldiers and Marines would suffer. Nearly 60 percent of those in Marine Corps and Army combat units, such as infantry and special operations, said in the survey they thought repealing the law would hurt their units' ability to fight.

Gates and Mullen noted that 92 percent of troops in the survey who believed they had served with a gay person said they never saw an impact on their units' morale or effectiveness.

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Associated Press writers Pauline Jelinek and Anne Gearan contributed to this report.

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J 'Accuse
01:42 PM on 12/19/2010
McKrazy strikes again
02:44 PM on 12/14/2010
"We send these young people into combat," said McCain. "We think they're mature enough to fight and die. I think they're mature enough to make a judgment on who they want to serve with and the impact on their battle effectiveness."

What fallacious reasoning. Soldiers don't get to pick who they serve with any other time, but if a fellow soldier might be gay, then there's a special acceptance?
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06:28 PM on 12/18/2010
what's REALLY funny, is they have been serving with gays all along but just didn't know it. McCain did, too. He's morally bankrupt, anyway.
08:24 PM on 12/09/2010
If these people are willing to put their life on the line for their country they should.
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SonyaInTx
Money doesn't buy class.....
02:53 PM on 12/05/2010
John McCain is still living by stone age rules. Retire this windbag......please......
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Luv2Purple
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01:06 PM on 12/05/2010
Old man McCain - who is now CLEARLY addled in his thinking processes.....who doesn't know how many houses he owns......McCain is the one who is FLAWED not the study. McCain thought palin to be qualified for more than a pageant judge on "alaska's got Talent" just not in the palin family if you watched dwts. Anyway - Mccain - who fiished 5th from the BOTTOM of his class (at least he and palin can converse intellectually) McCain is WAYYYYY over his head as a strategic thinker!!!
10:23 AM on 12/08/2010
McCain is openly saying what many of us suspect. This whole campaign to get openly gay people into the miluitary is totally corrupt.A very few gays are arguing to put their selfish agenda before the needs and wishes of the majority. It's not about honesty it's about coercion. Legitimize the gay lifestyle or pay the price.Nobody has objected to serving with gays that are discrete. What does discrete mean? It means not having people who object to the morality of the life style have to see it openly displayed where all(including children) are told its morally equavalent to hetersexuality. Will teaching children Christianity now be "hate speech" because it prohibts gay sex? The fight is just starting>
01:46 AM on 12/19/2010
Or we can grow up. you claim that it is not the equivalent...because your religion, nay our religion says so, guess what...i missed the part where the Bible and not the Constitution of the United States of America governed this great land...if you want theocratic rule move to the Vatican i will not have it here
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12:06 PM on 12/05/2010
Senator McCain is the most flawed person in Congress and should be replaced. He isn't for what is Right about America, but only wishes to protect those who continue to fund his campaigns. However, he has lots of company with this flawed and disgusting Party of No.
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10:21 PM on 12/03/2010
If he says he is for tax cuts for the wealthy, is he really ? Actually same could be said of all Pube flip floppers.
07:11 PM on 12/03/2010
i think DADT should be repealed. I mean when we are 18 we get to smoke, when we are 21 we get to drink, when men/women sign up to protect there country i think they have a right to serve openly, i mean its only fair right?
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profitforless
6 and 20 thousand years
03:44 PM on 12/03/2010
republicans don't like homosexuals

Yet many of them are caught being homosexual.
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BoyInBOYCOTT
01:51 PM on 12/03/2010
Military families are MORE supportive of repeal of DADT than the general population, there are several factors which contribute to this,(btw ONLY heterosexual families responded, LGBT families can't even be acknowledged as exisiting under DADT.)
These families KNOW their loved ones are better protected having the linguists, the pilots, the medics that are LGBT, than they would be without them.
These families have sacrificed tour after tour after tour after tour after tour, and want more people who can do those tours rather than their husband or wife....AGAIN.
These families intimately feel the unfairness that LGBT families receive NO support, recive NO acknowledgement of their sacrifice, receive NO counceling, and can't even be listed to be notified if their lover is maimed or killed.
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Enimal57
01:45 PM on 12/03/2010
People, please excuse John McCain the Senator from Arizona becuase he is a se*nile angry man who lost it a long time ago.
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onegandolf1
12:53 PM on 12/03/2010
I think it imperative that we pass legislation requiring psychiatric evaluation of all Legislators at the beginning of each Congressional Term. Other jobs require such evaluations and this one is important enough to require it also.
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01:34 PM on 12/03/2010
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I think it imperative that we pass legislatio­n requiring psychiatri­c evaluation of all Legislator­s at the beginning of each Congressio­nal Term. Other jobs require such evaluation­s and this one is important enough to require it also.
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onegandolf1, Good idea. This is one way to get rid of the crazies in the GOP and TeaBaggers and some DEMS. But the again we have elections and WE the people are supposed to screen for lo*onies.....
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Freesia2
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12:20 PM on 12/03/2010
You are truly an awful man John McCain. There's some kind of slow rot that took over you. I think it's a kind of anger that untethered you from reality. That happens to people. They become so eaten up with bitterness that they can look right at sunshine and call it rain. Because they literally see rain.  It happened to me once. Darn near ate me alive til I got a grip and took responsibility for my part in what had disappointed me or made me feel misused.

You had 2 obsessions: Your POW experience (which you distilled your military record into. The fact is an overview of your entire military service reveals you were a mediocre soldier at best. A lot of affirmative action due to your family connections.  And you know that inside. You run from it and hide in a Hanoi Hilton.) And your second obsession was the White House, a job you were never suited for no matter how many times you stood in front of a mirror pretending to give the State of the Union like a 16 year old playing air guitar.Which is about as seriously as you took it.

There's nothing in the world that you're not angry about and will remain so likely. And you take it out on everybody around you. But when you take it out on the troops? On generals who actually did earn their medals and certainly the respect that you of all people - the man who dreamed of being Commander in Chief and has made a career out of being more "military than thou" - ought to give.

And won't. Because you respect nothing. Not even yourself. And on that last count I really can't blame you. I wouldn't either.
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clemmers
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11:37 AM on 12/03/2010
Time to roll over this flip-flopping geezer. He's not serving his country or doing any good for the military. Who does he think he's fooling every time he changes his "rationale"?

Pass the repeal, end the hypocrisy. We'll survive it just like we did the integration of the armed services in the 1950's.
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11:10 AM on 12/03/2010
Proves that Republicans are willing to fight the US military to preserve their platform of bigotry.
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01:39 PM on 12/03/2010
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Unfan Proves that Republican­s are willing to fight the US military to preserve their platform of bigotry
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Cratewasher, Bigotry is their base just like fear mongering...