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Tax Cuts: The Real End Game Is In The House

First Posted: 12/05/10 04:59 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

Nancy Pelosi

WASHINGTON -- While the public focus of the Great Tax Battle remains riveted on the U.S. Senate, top Democratic insiders are privately worried about the real lame-duck end game: a last-minute, potentially deal-breaking revolt by Democrats in the House.

That's why Vice-President Joe Biden and White House Interim Chief of Staff Pete Rouse invited House Democratic Leaders to the VP's mansion Saturday night for what turned out to be a two-hour meeting.

The existence of the meeting has been reported, but not the contents.

The topic, according to a source close to outgoing (but still in charge) House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, was how to cajole liberal Democrats in the lower chamber into accepting the results of the deal President Barack Obama and Senate Republicans are trying to cut.

The participants talked in detail of what elements should or should not be in a Senate package so that it can win the requisite vote in the House. And they discussed specific members and blocs -- what they would need (in the bill or elsewhere) to be supportive.

The Senate-based deal is likely to include a two-year extension of Bush-era income tax cuts, even for the wealthiest families and a reauthorization of the existing program of jobless benefits so that some 2 million Americans don't lose them at Christmas.

But the real question is: What else, if anything, are rank-and-file Democrats going to require support with the deal?

That is an urgent, but not necessarily cataclysmic matter in the Senate. If Obama strikes a deal with the GOP, he and they will need only 18 out of 58 Democratic senators to go along with it to ensure that the coalition has 60 votes to prevent a deal-killing filibuster.

One Senate Democrat told me last night that he and his fellow liberals might try to stop the deal -- even if it means risking the possibility that all of the tax cuts are allowed to expire on December 31.

But that tough talk not withstanding, it seems a fairly idle threat. Even if GOP Leader Mitch McConnell loses a few of his fellow Republicans, Obama, Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid and McConnell would still seem to have enough room to work with.

The biggest problem -- most seem to have forgotten -- is in the House. Many seem to have forgotten that it is the House, which must originate tax bills, that last week voted by a 234-188 margin to limit the extension of the Bush tax cuts to families making less than $250,000 -- Obama's original campaign pledge.

Speaker-to-Be John Boehner denounced the vote as grandstanding "chicken crap," but, being the legislative veteran that he is, he understood its procedural significance: It meant that whatever the Senate produces must come back to the House for another vote.

And that is where the real crisis could kick in for White House, which increasingly is in the position of fighting with its party base.

The House arithmetic is dicey -- which is why Biden and Rouse spent two hours discussing it with Pelosi, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer and House campaign chairman Rep. Chris Van Hollen.

If all House 179 lame-duck-session Republicans support a two-year extension (by no means certain), Pelosi still would need to round up 39 Democratic votes for approval of the Senate version.

The assumption is that Democrats would not want to risk blowing up the deal -- let alone risk being held responsible for raising taxes on everyone in the midst of a lingering Great Recession.

But some Democratic backbenchers, increasingly estranged from the White House and the president, seem willing to do so -- or at least talk bravely about it. "I don't see why we don't try it, what the heck?" said one Democratic senator who nevertheless wasn't convinced enough of his position to risk attaching his name to it.

Ironically, it may be up to Pelosi -- seen my many as a liberal holdover who nevertheless ran for and won another term as Democratic leader -- to sell tax cuts for the rich to her fellow liberals in the House. They may not like her as much after that.

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WASHINGTON -- While the public focus of the Great Tax Battle remains riveted on the U.S. Senate, top Democratic insiders are privately worried about the real lame-duck end game: a last-minute, potenti...
WASHINGTON -- While the public focus of the Great Tax Battle remains riveted on the U.S. Senate, top Democratic insiders are privately worried about the real lame-duck end game: a last-minute, potenti...
 
 
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07:37 PM on 12/08/2010
How in the 21st century is it legal for Republicans to block benefits for unemployed Americans? How is it legal for them to hold those benefits hostage to benefit the wealthy? We have to rise up and stop this abuse because it just seems to get worse and worse. The wealthy interests boldly take what they want and do it right in front of the whole world. What do Americans do about it? Nothing...We complain. If a group of people from another country were doing to our government what the Republicans(not to downplay Democrat involvement) have been doing to our government for such a great many years, we would send our military to destroy them. Our government, sworn to protect us from all enemies both foreign and domestic, has allowed our enemies to rule us for far too long. We the people...Slaves....Peasants...
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10:45 AM on 12/08/2010
Break the deal instead of America's back.
01:20 AM on 12/08/2010
I already don't like her. And i was saddened when she managed to pick up her mantle again. She's tough but never for the right reasons.
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07:04 PM on 12/07/2010
"a last-minute, potentially deal-breaking revolt by Democrats in the House" Kinda the pt of having 2 houses of Congress
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tacevad
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06:49 PM on 12/07/2010
Come February the Debt Ceiling will be reached and the new Republican Congress will defund the unemployme­nt extension through their now common extortion practices.
05:37 PM on 12/07/2010
The Dems need to demand the Public Health Option as well in this lousy deal for Tax breaks for the rich !

As well as more Stimulus Money to get America back to work !
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ramsha
12:52 AM on 12/09/2010
Remember 'beggars cannot be the choosers'.
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03:45 AM on 12/09/2010
I want it all!
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03:30 PM on 12/07/2010
The GOP Congressional Misfits are masters at taking hostages in order to get their way for their rich financial masters. The White House always caves in to their demands, thus allowing the Rich to continue to squash the middle class of America! Our political system is sickening and badly broken.
02:36 PM on 12/07/2010
I have come to be at peace with the fact that Obama is a weak, ineffectual President who will have one, flawed term as our President. If this man could not win a battle with the Republicans on this issue, there is nothing he will be willing to fight for.
01:00 PM on 12/07/2010
What we really need to turn the economy around is a CEO with turnaround experience and success who is NOT beholding to either party so that ideology does not get in the way. We need some good business decisions - NOT campaign rhetoric. Fat chance that will happen.
01:33 AM on 12/08/2010
Ceo's traditionally look out for themselves. Besides, Government was never designed to be run like a business. thats why things are so screwed up now. the Repugnicans had lots of business men running the Goverment and Obama has Lots of Business men running the Government. they only look out for Business. Its about the bottom line. thats exactly why the middle class and the lower income have gotten the shaft for the last 10 years. A business man wants to eliminate regulation which in turn opens the doors for exactly what has happened to our economy. these guys were the best business men out there and made trillions in profit for there companies. What you need are LESS business men and reinstating regulation to stop the pilfering of our tax dollars. Less business men would have ment TO BIG TO FAIL never would have happened. Sure, we might have had slower growth but better a slower tempered growth than what we got. an economy in freefall and 30 million unemployed.
11:43 AM on 12/07/2010
If we borrow 700 Million dollars to pay for the tax breaks for the upper 2% it will continue to add to the deficit and further divide the majority of America. I am so sick of politicians stating, "The American People want", when their clear agenda is to pay back the favors of political contributions from big business and now apparently from out side sources which are not required to be transparent. Imagine other countries have a legal avenue to control America's election process. Some political contributors are now stating that the original founders at one time only allowed land and home owners to vote. One way to equalize the divisions of the us and them political atmosphere is to overhaul our politicians serving in congress. Organizing the 99 ers to seek out middle and lower economic status to run for congress. Imagine the Majority representing America being that of the TRUE Majority. A difficult task to do as many do not have $10,000 to register to run.
10:05 AM on 12/07/2010
Politican's are missing the big picture. JOBS, JOBS and more JOBS is what americans need. Read any daily paper and you will read at least one article about some manufacturing co moving production out of the country. This has been going on for years now. It needs to STOP !!! It is destroying america and no one in Washington seems to care !
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12:48 PM on 12/07/2010
They care look at their bottom line!
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09:54 AM on 12/07/2010
As I recall I predicted the GOP would fight the expiration of the Bush cuts when the cuts were first enacted. If memory serves me correctly the cuts were enacted in two steps. In step one the GOP settled on a lower cut than they initially proposed in a seeming compromise. Then they immediately re-introduced a bill for the remainder. This made their strategy clear, give us part of what we want now and we will argue about the rest tomorrow. Their policies led to a "perfect storm," economically speaking, and they got, or seem about to get, a two year extension so that two years from now they can again fight expiration of the cuts, probably thinking they might have control of the Senate and WH by then and fight to make them "permanent".
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09:44 AM on 12/07/2010
The rich, when their taxes are hiked, often take their money out of 'taxable' investments and move them into non-taxable investments. The federal government does not see the level of revenue it thinks it will by taxing the rich. History has documented this over and over. History as also documented that when taxes are lowered, revenue goes up. The problem with this deal is that it isn't a clean decision.
08:51 AM on 12/10/2010
Right wing talking point! Revenue goes up as the economy grows, which it continually does over time. Taxes go down, revenue goes up, but revenue would have gone up more with a higher tax rate in effect. Remember the republicans saying that the Clinton tax rates would lead to a depression? Didn't happen exactly that way, did it? The Bush tax cuts were really bad for the long-term prospects of our country.
08:59 AM on 12/07/2010
Nancy Pelosi, please do not do this "DEAL" All priorities must start and end with a true reduction of long term debt, and McConnell, just put a 1 Trillion more (includes Admin and Interest) in the long term debt. Reduce corporate taxes for companies on America Soil by 15% and the market and hiring will rise, and the Republicans Conservatives can play in our "boxed in alternatives" this will not be a win Honorable Speaker of the House w/o curtailing the margin tax extension over a Million.
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06:40 AM on 12/08/2010
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08:05 AM on 12/07/2010
And more of the Senator's are worth! There should be no reason to wonder about the taxcuts for the rich!

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