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Tax Cuts Update: Despite Schumer's Threat, There's Little Appetite To Let Them Expire

First Posted: 12/06/10 12:21 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- This past weekend, as the White House and congressional lawmakers negotiated away a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, dejected liberals were offered one last droplet of hope.

Amidst the talk of capitulation, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) suggested that rather than extend current rates for two years in exchange for other tax-cut goodies and unemployment insurance, the party might simply let all the tax cuts expire. After all, the president could come back next Congress and build his own package of middle-class tax cuts, branded under the Obama (not Bush) name.

"There are lots of people in our caucus who do have that appetite [to let all rates expire]," said the New York Democrat.

If that appetite needed further whetting, it came Monday morning in the form of an op-ed from The New York Times's Paul Krugman.

"Mr. Obama should draw a line in the sand, right here, right now," wrote Krugman, the earnest voice of the progressive masses. "If Republicans hold out, and taxes go up, he should tell the nation the truth, and denounce the blackmail attempt for what it is.

"Yes, letting taxes go up would be politically risky. But giving in would be risky, too -- especially for a president whom voters are starting to write off as a man too timid to take a stand."

Yet acts of political defiance -- despite Krugman's wishes or Schumer's provocations -- don't appear to be in the cards. On the Hill and in the White House, the notion that Democrats would let the Bush tax rates revert to previous levels is considered, to put it bluntly, a bluff. And not even all Democrats have been handed the right script.

Last Thursday, Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) told The Huffington Post that there was talk in the caucus about letting the rates expire. "We'll come back in January and we'll build our own [package]," he said. "That's right, that's a possibility that we could do. And maybe the pressure would be on a little bit more to address the real problem -- who's getting pinched on these taxes?"

Just hours later, however, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), the senator tasked with whipping votes, said a standoff along the lines of what Harkin envisioned wasn't likely to happen.

"It's not totally off the table," said the Illinois Democrat. "But I'd tell you, we have to accept the reality. The reality is that raising taxes for middle-income families is not good for them, it's not good for the economy. I hope that the Republicans will acknowledge that at some point."

Why, if the sentiment exists, is the party not giving more serious consideration to the idea of ending the lame duck session with the tax debate unresolved? For starters, as a senior Democratic aide put it, the White House's message has been clear: "You can't leave town without doing something." Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said as much during a December 1 briefing. "[T]he issue of taxes needs to be resolved before anybody can go home and certainly before the end of the year."

The administration doesn't want that fight. As one White House adviser noted, the final deal (already written on Republican terms) "would be a lot better than what we would get next year" when the president would have to rely on a House of Representatives controlled by Republicans. Moreover, while only 26 percent of respondents, in a recent CBS poll, said they favored continuing the current tax rates for all individuals, only 14 percent said that they would support the expiration of tax rates.

And yet, it's hard to not notice the intra-party angst over this capitulation. Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY), for one, tweeted a "memo to our president" on Monday morning. "Why are we always punting on 3rd down? Lets get our offense on the field."

A top Senate aide, meanwhile, predicted that there would be "lots of nay votes on a White House compromise," though likely not enough to sustain a filibuster. A far more difficult calculus faces the party in the House, as The Huffington Post's Howard Fineman reported. But even then, most observers expect leadership to let only enough disaffected members vote no so that it doesn't endanger final passage.

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WASHINGTON -- This past weekend, as the White House and congressional lawmakers negotiated away a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, dejected liberals were offered one last drop...
WASHINGTON -- This past weekend, as the White House and congressional lawmakers negotiated away a temporary extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, dejected liberals were offered one last drop...
 
 
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epcraig
After a couple of strokes...
09:28 PM on 12/12/2010
If I didn't notice the Bush tax cuts when they were instituted, why would I notice when they're rescinded?
11:38 AM on 12/11/2010
If Obama were ever to draw a line in the sand can we be sure which side of it he would be on? He seems to take his cues from Boehner and not his party or the American people. As a political coward he uses the word compromise when he means capitulation. His only so called successes were ones the Repubicans allowed him to have and either reflect their agenda or are relatively meaningless politically. When he signs the tax cut "deal" he must take ownership for adding billions to the deficit. So much for his fight to bring down the deficit.
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carolo
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12:17 PM on 12/09/2010
I am under the opinion to let the tax cuts expire. Heck with it all. Let people pay their taxes. Perhaps not popular but I paid my taxes every single year no matter what the sacrifice was. Hand-outs to the rich do not set well with me. When Clinton was in office and the country had a balanced budget, people paid their taxes and now it seems everyone is looking for a handout.
10:56 AM on 12/07/2010
You'd think Wall Street would have exploded on the news. Wasn't this a " business friendly" move?
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mollysmomma
God Bless Obama
10:47 AM on 12/07/2010
All you heard from repubs was deficit,deficit, deficit................They are going to be the cause of this deficit as well as those bush left behind ...........If this happens we had better see LOTS of JOBS created.......because that's all we have heard from beohner and cantor if they could get their precious tax cuts for the rich........but they sure DO NOT care about those without jobs from no fault of their own!Our President DOES CARE ABOUT THEM!
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Kye154
09:29 AM on 12/07/2010
If Obama wanted to draw a line in the sand, all he has to do his send the Treasury Dept. a directive to stop paying out the congressional paychecks for everyone in Congress, including the staffers. He has the power and authority to do so, without the consent of congress. Then watch those pompous Republicans start whining about not getting paid. Perhaps then they will try to extend the unemployment benefits, and start thinking about the need to tax the rich for their own benefit too.
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09:13 AM on 12/07/2010
This tax relief extension did nothing but cause the Republicans to gloat for President Obama saying "uncle". The last 10 years of the Bush tax cuts were not the panacea intended. Where are all the jobs that the tax cuts created? It the tax cuts were effective, we wouldn't have the unemployment numbers we currently have. The Middle Class Republicans must stop falling for the tactics of their elitist politicians.
09:44 AM on 12/07/2010
we have a one party system. the republican wing that likes war and civil liberty violations, and the democratic wing that likes wealth transfer and violations of economic liberty. perhaps you should take a look in the mirror with regards to your party as well. the simple fact is that both sides screw us just to get re-elected. tax cuts are just one issue to solve. sure Bush cut taxes, which is ALWAYS a good thing. but he screwed us with almost all of his other policies, which basically negated the positives of the tax cuts.
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09:50 AM on 12/07/2010
The only "wealth transfers" our Democratic party has indulged in are the same "wealth transfers" the GOP does: Transferring wealth from the rest of the nation to the wealthy.
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09:54 AM on 12/07/2010
Without the Bush tax cuts, we still would have lost jobs when the recession hit.
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09:37 AM on 12/08/2010
Bush II had the worst job creation record.....those cuts didn't help much.....

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
09:13 AM on 12/07/2010
Progressives need to hold the "wars on terror" hostage until they get what they want.
You can tell the right loves war because they seem to be not talking about it so much.
If you want your tax breaks, you need to stop warring all over the globe.
09:30 AM on 12/07/2010
hmm "the right." i hate terms like "right," "left," "conservative," "liberal." they hide the truth. in the political spectrum "right" means no government action, and "left" means total government action. if you look at those definitions, i am far right wing, government should stay out of other country's affairs, not be proactive in searching for monsters, and so on. so please do not say that the "right" loves war...the left does. people are not left or right...ideas are. but i agree. if you want lower taxes, you need to learn to accept less from government. if the financial crises of Greece, Ireland, and here have taught us anything, it's that we cannot rely on government.
10:40 AM on 12/07/2010
OK, Lets say we agree on government stays out of other countries affairs. Liberals loving war? No. Agreed people cannot rely on government. Unfortunately big multinational corporations do. This indirectly forces the people who want jobs to fall in line.
When corporations become more powerful then governments, the danger lies in wether or not a society falls in line with said companies "best interest". Companies are driven by money not doing good for it's people.
I agree that a small efficient government would be better, but in a capitalist society filled with bait and switch, lies and scams, you have to trust someone and the private sector just isn't it.
stumanchu35
Tolerance is a one way street.
09:09 AM on 12/07/2010
Hey Schum, it's about helping people and small businesses, who hire people.
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jmpurser
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09:11 AM on 12/07/2010
No, no it's really not.  This is about loaning Americans some of their tax money back in order to buy votes.
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AnotherTry
Tell me again why we can't be equal?
10:11 AM on 12/07/2010
They've had the tax break for 8 years. WHEERE ARE THE JOBS????
11:15 AM on 12/07/2010
Sri Lanka, China, India and anywhere else there is someone who'll accept less pay for horrible working conditions. If only they would lift themselves up and ask for more.
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dvtaz
Conservative to the core. Make my day!
09:03 AM on 12/07/2010
With Democrats controlling both house and senate all they need do is let the tax cuts expire, but they don't have the courage of their professed convictions to let it happen. If they think the last election was tough, wait untill the next one.
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09:02 AM on 12/07/2010
Of COURSE they should have just let the "Bush tax cuts" expire.  In the first place, they're not "tax cuts".  Like every other "tax cut" we've received since Reagan they were tax deferments and were never paid for.

Secondly even a "middle class tax cut" goes to the wealthy as well.  And all the money goes to people with  incomes above the poverty level.  That's NOT who needs a hand out right now.

Third tax cuts do next to nothing to stimulate the economy.  So we just blew nearly a trillion dollars with no intention of creating or saving a single job.

So as a nation we never should have been talking about "tax cuts" right now anyway.  If the Democrats were worth anything as a party they would have repealed the "Bush tax cuts" when they stormed into power in 2009.  But here we are, at the last gasp session of congress before the GOP takes over the house and all we're talking about is how much money to waste loaning it back to the American people.

I'm afraid America has permanently lost the ability to govern herself.
apiazza
There is no such thing as a fiscal conservative.
08:58 AM on 12/07/2010
I wonder what the Tea Party thinks of all of this. You don't hear their usual whine of 'how are we going to pay for this?'
11:17 AM on 12/07/2010
What would Beck say? The Tea Party is just the GOP's imaginary friend.
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08:16 AM on 12/07/2010
Fillibuster this nonsense before we all become slaves of the chineese.
I will rather see my tax increased than to become slave of a communist china.
08:13 AM on 12/07/2010
Do not be fooled by those politicians who claim that raising taxes on the wealthy will somehow harm the economy or will negatively impact the low- and middle-class. The present tax system favors the rich and big business. They have the means to lobby politicians, the means to pay for access through unlimited campaign contributions, and the belief that wealth and power equals entitlement. Funny...these are the same people who want to end entitlements for everyone else. (You've all heard about the proposed deficit reduction plan).

We know for a fact that the gap between the rich and the poor continues to widen and the middle-class is shrinking. I remember awhile ago watching Chris Matthews, MSNBC, interviewing a Republican operative about the state of the economy. Chris asked the man what will happen to the economy when 75% of the people can no longer afford to spend? The Republican shrugged and blithely responded that the other 25% will have to make up the difference. Matthews, shocked that this man would suggest that it was OK for three quarters of the populace to do without, retorted, "You don't really mean that do you? That's un-American."

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Cynthia Dudley
08:07 AM on 12/07/2010
So the tax holiday will continue and the bills will continue to rack up.