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Tax Cut Deal A Hidden Threat To Social Security

First Posted: 12/08/10 03:42 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:15 PM ET

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WASHINGTON - The tax cut deal that President Obama struck with congressional Republicans contains a provision that could ultimately be the undoing of Social Security, say Senate Democrats and backers of the old-age and disability program.

Obama, as part of the Democratic package, secured a roughly 30 percent cut in the payroll tax, from 6.2 to 4.2 percent. Allowing it to expire in a year will mean that workers will see a nearly 50 percent jump in payroll taxes as the rate reverts back -- an event that will surely be described as a tax hike. The cut is estimated to cost $120 billion per year.

Democrats have never allowed the rate to be cut, even temporarily, in the history of the program, because payroll taxes feed the Social Security trust fund and create the political base of support for the program, said Nancy Altman, author of "The Battle For Social Security", a history of the program, and head of the advocacy group Social Security Works. Republicans have won a long-sought victory, even as President Obama hails it as a win for his party.

Republicans acknowledged that the expiration of the tax holiday will be treated as a tax increase. "Once something like this goes into place, a year from now, when it expires, it'll be portrayed as a tax increase," said Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.). So in a body like Congress, precedents matter and this is setting a precedent. I think that certainly is going to create some problems down the road if it passes."

Given that Congress, under Democratic control, can't gather itself to let tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans expire, members of both parties are convinced that letting the payroll tax rate revert back to its current spot will be near impossible.

"Once you bring a rate down, if it goes back up, people will feel that. They'll feel their paycheck being less and that argument" -- that letting it expire amounts to a tax hike -- "eventually is bound to be made," said Sen. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.).

"There's always a tendency to continue those things... Once something comes in, it's very difficult to change it," said Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio.) He then volunteered, without prompting, that "It would be detrimental to the Social Security system, especially when it's in bad shape."

HuffPost noted that some of his colleagues would likely treat the deprivation of Social Security funds as a benefit of such a circumstance rather than a drawback.

"I suspect so, yes," agreed Voinovich.

A White House official dismissed the concerns. "It is explicitly temporary and there's a general revenue transfer in the bill so it will not negatively impact the social security trust fund at all," he said.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.), who chairs the Senate Subcommittee On Retirement and Aging, said she's concerned that the payroll cut will weaken Social Security and leave it vulnerable. "I'm concerned this could be the beginning of the slippery slope to getting rid of the payroll tax and cause a way of getting rid of Social Security as a public issue in the way of heading to privatization," she said. "I know it's been recommended by several economists, but this is really big. My question is, shouldn't this be viewed in a more shock wave kind of way?"

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, echoed Mikulski's concern. "On the surface, the payroll tax reduction of two percent is attractive, but when you get past the surface, it's deeply disturbing. Because what it means is we'll replace the loss of money from Social Security with general fund money, but in the past Social Security has been raided to help fund general fund programs. So how long will it be before somebody says Social Security is not sustainable and we need to cut the program?" he said. "I'm afraid we are feeding into a larger narrative that goes toward eliminating Social Security."

Stripping Social Security of payroll tax revenue will make the program appear less viable in projections, which currently gauge that it can pay full benefits until 2037 and roughly four-fifth of benefits over the next 50 years. That vulnerability can then be exploited.

"The difficulty you have here is you have a very large federal deficit and you've got a Social Security fund that really needs some work," said Johanns. "Social Security has got to be part of the mix [of deficit-reduction proposals]. So stay tuned. There's a lot of stories to be written about that between now and a year from now."

Lamar Alexander, the Senate's number-three Republican, also said that reform of Social Security should be tied to moving that tax rate back up. "My personal hope is that it doesn't become permanent unless we deal with a way to make Social Security solvent over the long term," he told HuffPost. "You have to remember, the payroll tax funds Social Security and I like the idea of a lower payroll tax contribution, but we've got to make sure Social Security is solvent, which we should be doing this next year as the first order of business." The way to make the program "solvent" and keep taxes low, of course, is to reduce benefits.

Reducing a person's responsibility to contribute to Social Security also deprives the program of the political and moral capital that has kept the program in tact despite fierce opposition from a determined investor class. Altman notes that such responsibility was put into place by FDR for just that purpose. "We put those pay roll contributions there so as to give the contributors a legal, moral, and political right to collect their pensions and their unemployment benefits. With those taxes in there, no damn politician can ever scrap my social security program. Those taxes aren't a matter of economics, they're straight politics," FDR told a Treasury official in 1941.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a strong defender of Social Security, told HuffPost he isn't worried about the threat to the program. "The money doesn't come out of Social Security. It comes out of the general fund," said Reid.

Reid is correct. The revenue that is lost to the payroll tax cut will be forwarded from the general fund to Social Security. But it will then become a line-item in the federal budget, a tempting one to cut.

It also undermines the self-funding nature of the program, Bob Corker observed. "It really begins to break down the whole notion even further of a Social Security trust, when general fund money is going in," he said. "We've already abused the Social Security trust and there's no question that taking this action is just another portion of the camel nose under the tent."

Corker said he would have liked to see Social Security reform coupled with the tax cut.

Max Baucus (D-Mont.), chairman of the Finance Committee, said he wasn't sure if the tax holiday would be allowed to expire in a year and would depend on economic conditions. "Where are we gonna be in a couple years? What's the economy in a couple years? What will unemployment be? What will other indicators be? But I do think it's important to have a break in payroll taxes," he said.

The payroll tax cut that Democrats have resisted for decades is being pushed through as part of a deal moving like a Toyota dump truck with the gas pedal stuck. "I haven't even had a chance to consider that potential," said Sen. Mark Udall (D-Colo.), when asked about the effect of the payroll cut on Social Security.

Others think the holiday will be just that -- a holiday. "I see it as a threat to Social Security, but I don't see it as being continued as a noncontributory payment with the precarious position Social Security is in. This is an emergency move," said Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.).

Sen .Jeanne Shaheen (D-N.H.) said that the threat to Social Security is "obviously a concern" and that "the goal here is to get the economy moving and start to create jobs. It's not yet clear to me that that's the best way."

The Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, meanwhile, has cast doubt as to whether the payroll tax cut is the most efficient way to pump money into the economy.

Cutting the payroll tax gives more than twice as much benefit to a person making $100,000 as to a person making $50,000, Altman noted, and dividing the stimulus evenly, and simply sending an equal check to every worker, would be far more desirable.

Or Congress could simply extend the Making Work Pay tax credit, which the payroll tax holiday is reportedly meant to replace.

Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), who competes with the GOP in his zeal for reforming Social Security, welcomes the cut. "I strongly support a payroll tax holiday because Congressional Budget Office has told us it is the second most powerful thing we can do after extending unemployment insurance to help with job creation," he said.

Conrad said that Congress will soon have the opportunity to take drastic deficit reduction measures in a few months when the body is required to raise the debt ceiling. "We still have that responsibility, and that opportunity, and that's got to be the next shoe that drops here," he said.

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NOBSJUSTFACTS
born, grew up, got old
03:37 PM on 01/15/2011
This was the most foolish of Obama's compromise, worse in fact than the tax cuts for rich in that it could have raised payroll tax on earners up to 150k thus making SS solvent but the Repubs want SS to be underfunded and play politics with ti in 2012 along with renewingthe buch cuts again as they know the economy will not be revambed by 2012. Bur Obama may have some tricks up his sleeves-however on SS this was a huge mistake and must be reveresed just as Repubs want to reverse America's health care--as damaged as it is with no regulation on rates and no public option which Obams says Libersal whine about but in MA cancer, HIV, chronic diabetes Lupus pateints, all needing expensive RX coverage have been routed into the cadillac plans costing 2k or near a month. This is blatant discrimination and the attorney general Matha Coakley had better go after these insuers. Having control of rates does not mean redesgning the health plans that were formerly set up with low middle and high options that inculded decutibles on RXs that were 50 dollars but not 50 percent. This is a classic BATE AND SWITCH and the MA legislature should be ashamed just as Obama should for lambasting liberals for not government plan...this is simply Pharma playing it to make even more out of this so called health care mandate and they will reap even bigger profits-allt their STOCKS are up!
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roninroshi
Oni ni Kanabo (鬼に金棒 )
12:36 AM on 01/15/2011
This will be counted as Obamas major failure to date...caving to the Rethugs in this arena will cause so many to suffer in the future!
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Rixar13
U.S. Coast Guard Veteran and University
08:59 PM on 12/14/2010
" The cut is estimated to cost $120 billion per year. "

Bad idea....
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DuncanONeil
05:24 PM on 12/14/2010
"free speech isnt free 06:12 PM on 12/12/2010

Here is my proposal: "

Institute the FairTax!!
10:26 AM on 01/15/2011
If that is a flat tax, then it is inherently unfair. I don't need to explain.
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DuncanONeil
11:34 PM on 01/20/2011
Before you declare something unfair, perhaps it would behoove you to get an understanding of the proposal.
The FairTax reduces the size of Government, increases workers pay, makes the US a desirable place to conduct business, taxes sources of income untaxable by the IRS, returns sheltered money back to the US, just to name a few things. But having said that why do you ASSUME it to be "inherently unfair"? Isn't that ASSUMPTION itself inherently unfair, seeing as you know nothing about the FairTax plan?
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DuncanONeil
05:22 PM on 12/14/2010
"Run up huge bills with unpaid for tax cuts, unbudgeted wars, Medicare prescripti­­on payments that favor huge foreign pharmaceut­­ical corporatio­­ns and truly help most seniors very little."

You really believe that the money in your paycheck comes from the Federal Government? That is the only way that your getting a larger paycheck could COST the Government money!!

Further just for your edification only a portion of the wars were not budgeted.
10:28 AM on 01/15/2011
Which portion of the wars were funded? I don't care if they were budgeted.
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DuncanONeil
11:38 PM on 01/20/2011
The only monies spent after a particular budget is passed are "unbudgeted". All funds spent are funded in some manner. It is physically impossible for the Government to spend money with out a funding source!
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DuncanONeil
05:18 PM on 12/14/2010
"While there is a temporary shortfall in revenues to it because there are so many people unemployed­, it is still fiscally sound for a decade to come and can be set on a long term fiscally sound basis rather easily by taxing the fat cats on their full earned incomes instead of retaining the cap on taxable income at slightly more than $107,000. "

First the cut is not 30% but 16%! Second, how can you suggest that it is fiscally sound when it has been known for decades when it is going to run out of money? That knowledge alone is proof that the program is not fiscally sound.

Further any attempts to put it on to more sound footing have always been met with cries of "FOUL" & "attempt to kill SS"! The most recent being in 2005. And these cryers of "FOUL" are the same ones that called a 3% increase in SS benefits a cut!!!
03:31 PM on 12/14/2010
While the objection to the temporary payroll tax has some merit, let's not play fast and loose with the numbers by calling the 2 percentage point reduction a 30% cut and then its restoration a 50% increase. Let's also not perpetuate the myth that Social Security is (according to Voinovich) "in bad shape." That is simply untrue. While there is a temporary shortfall in revenues to it because there are so many people unemployed, it is still fiscally sound for a decade to come and can be set on a long term fiscally sound basis rather easily by taxing the fat cats on their full earned incomes instead of retaining the cap on taxable income at slightly more than $107,000.
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free speech isnt free
A bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
06:12 PM on 12/12/2010
“It is not right for EIGHT years the Executive (Bush) and Legislativ­e branches of our government totally disregarde­d the yearly budget of the US.

Run up huge bills with unpaid for tax cuts, unbudgeted wars, Medicare prescripti­on payments that favor huge foreign pharmaceut­ical corporatio­ns and truly help most seniors very little.

After this long roaring 20's, end of the world party, the legislativ­e and executive branches want soldiers dying in a war that makes little sense and fixed income subsistenc­e seniors to take pay cuts?

Here is my proposal:

1. Get a list of every Congressme­n, Senator, member of the cabinets’ President and Vice President and cut their pay and retirement to 2000 levels (when we had a surplus).

2. Then come back to me with proposals for cuts in tax breaks for the Corporatio­ns that made windfall profits (Halliburton, Exxon,etc.) gamming my so called representa­tive officials.

3. Then we will talk cutting the pay and benefits of soldiers and seniors.”
11:37 AM on 12/12/2010
Over the course of the year the payroll tax reduction is about a months rent for alot of people. That is a big deal for working people. The Fed Govt is bloated they should make the cuts elsewhere or they could just keep the money printin' machine warmed up.

Everyone is so concerned about 99 weeks of unemployment but nobody seems to care that the suckers who shuffle off to work everyday get their paychecks raped on payday.
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Acharn
04:39 AM on 12/11/2010
This has got to be resisted. Curse Obama for putting us in this position! It became clear after Simpson broke the news that they were going after Social Security that Obama intended to destroy the program -- that was what the Cat Food Commission was for. He cannot possibly be so stupid as to believe the payroll tax could ever be restored, and that this would be the perfect wedge for the Republicans to cut benefits and introduce means testing, making the program more expensive. Then cut, cut, cut. Support Bernie Sanders' filibuster! Write your Senators to support Bernie! Obama delenda est.
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DuncanONeil
05:26 PM on 12/14/2010
Or it is an Obama ploy to damage the Republicans and hopefully get the Dems back in charge in order to spend us into oblivion. He is good at that - hope!
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Acharn
03:00 AM on 12/15/2010
Not a chance. Obama is at best a moderate Republican. At worst he's as redical as Bush and Cheney. Health care "reform" (also known as Incurance Companies' Profit Protection Program) was a Republican proposal until they though Obama had a chance of getting it through. No, the game is a Republican game called "starve the beast." You cut taxes until the government has no resources. You keep on giving large amounts of money to corrupt defense contractors and banks. Soon, the only way government can continue even minimal operations (would you like salmonella with your eggs?) is to cut "entitlements," which is money people paid into an insurance scheme for decades to have just the smallest edge against starvation when they are too old to work. I don't know why Republicans want people who have so little to have even less, but they seem to. They seem to be saying suffering builds character, as long as it's other people's suffering. But heaven forbid a person making over $250,000 a year should have to pay $80 more in taxes.
04:50 PM on 12/10/2010
Remember forever that it was the Democrats of 1965 that broke open the SS lock box. The moved SS from an independent trust into the general revenue fund to pay for NEW SPENDING- primarily the Vietnam War!!!!!

Yes, some will tell you that it went to the War on Poverty, but the BULK of it went to the war!

We do NOT have a TAX PROBLEM, we have a SPENDING PROBLEM!!!!!
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DuncanONeil
05:27 PM on 12/14/2010
At last somebody that knows where the true problem lies!!!

Yay!!
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hobe
04:34 PM on 12/10/2010
There is no question that the President and republicans are going after social security, and this tax bill is one more example. Payroll tax cuts are to weaken social security and Medicare. They see the huge social security fully funded and want to steal our money to pay for the deficit and huge tax cuts for the rich.
04:50 PM on 12/10/2010
Remember forever that it was the Democrats of 1965 that broke open the SS lock box. The moved SS from an independen­t trust into the general revenue fund to pay for NEW SPENDING- primarily the Vietnam War!!!!!

Yes, some will tell you that it went to the War on Poverty, but the BULK of it went to the war!

We do NOT have a TAX PROBLEM, we have a SPENDING PROBLEM!!!­!!
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DuncanONeil
05:28 PM on 12/14/2010
Fully funded!? What planet have you been visiting?
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GeekHillbilly
Disabled Computer Geek in Southeastern Kentucky.An
02:57 PM on 12/10/2010
Definitely another reason to reject the Obama sellout deal
08:59 AM on 12/10/2010
If you want to keep Social Security you need to fight for it by speaking out NOW. In a Harry Potter story - Voldemort would be the AMERICAN TALIBAN TEAPARTY and his Death Eaters would be McCain, Palin, Boehner, McConnell, and their ilk, all of whom are intent on flying the dark mark over anyone who does not believe in their anti climate flat earth position, their anti human, anti Gay & Lesbian, anti woman, anti everything philosophy. They bow down to the dark lord as well as his uber rich and corporate supporters. They want us to become Palin snake handlers How are we going to fight them? Well your job is to see that congress and the white house get a backbone. That they pass everything they need to in this lame duck session. You fight them tooth and nail and forget compromise!! Like Hitler the more you try and appease the republicans the more they are emboldened. And if someone out there does not start calling these people what they really are then all of the organizations out there including your need to get a backbone!
04:54 PM on 12/10/2010
Anyone in their 20's should be fighting tooth and nail against SS because it is bankrupt and WILL NOT be there for them 45-50 years from now! That is a fact.

We must fullfill America's promise to the senior citzens in the 50+ range, but the younger folks need to have something else, NOW! The longer we wait and try to put off the inevitable will only make things worse!
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DuncanONeil
05:30 PM on 12/14/2010
I can not understand either the Congress, or the people, that praise a 401k and yet insist that the same idea for SS is the worst thing in the world!
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Pamm Stadt
speak the truth slowly
03:54 AM on 12/17/2010
"Anyone in their 20's should be fighting tooth and nail against SS because it is bankrupt and WILL NOT be there for them 45-50 years from now! That is a fact."

Who told you that was a fact? SS is not bankrupt and is in fact solvent. It will be that way until around 2037 where it will have to go to 75% spending. The reason they want you to think it is insolvent is to make you help them destroy it. Why? Because the Republicans see SS as welfare and not a paid for in advance entitlement. I have been paying into SS for 40 years and I am now getting it back as the result of a drunk driver who made me disabled.

So, do yourself a favor and step away from Fox-RNC for a while and watch ABC or CBS news. Or go do some research on Social Security Trust Fund.and a little of its history. I think you'll find it interesting.
02:10 AM on 12/10/2010
well time to write Obama and tell him what we the people think...he is there to work for us...not himself and the repubs.