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Evo Morales: 'Ecocide' Will Result From Governments Avoiding Strong Emissions Reductions At COP 16 Climate Change Conference

First Posted: 12/09/10 05:25 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

Evo Morales

CANCUN, Mexico (AP) — Delegates from almost 200 nations worked Thursday to clear away a host of disputes and to take small steps forward in easing the impact of climate change at a conference whose limited goals drew an accusation of "ecocide" from Bolivia's President Evo Morales.

Once again this year, as it neared its end, the annual negotiations under the U.N. climate treaty will not produce an overarching deal to slash emissions of global warming gases. From the start, the talks focused instead on secondary areas, including setting up a "green fund" to help poorer countries cope with global warming.

But in that and in a half-dozen other areas, as they approached Friday's final gavel, world environment ministers and other delegates still haggled over the wording of texts. Environmentalists accused the U.S. of holding the green fund hostage until it is satisfied on other items.

Christiana Figueres, U.N. climate chief, nonetheless struck a hopeful note.

"I see a willingness of parties to move positions. I see active and open exchange in the ministerial consultations," she said. "But more needs to be done. I call on all sides to redouble their efforts."

As some 15,000 delegates, environmentalists, business leaders, journalists and others met at this Caribbean resort, carbon dioxide and other global warming gases, byproducts of industry, vehicles and agriculture, continued to accumulate in the atmosphere, barely abated by modest emission reductions undertaken thus far.

Scientists say temperatures could rise by up to 6.4 degrees Celsius (11.5 degrees Fahrenheit) in this century without deeper cuts, leading to serious damage to coastlines, human health, agriculture and economies in general.

Bolivia's Morales, addressing the full conference, cited families already being deprived of water because of warming and drought, and islanders facing the loss of homes from seas rising from global warming.

If governments move away from strong, mandatory emissions reductions, "then we will be responsible for `ecocide,' which is equivalent to genocide because this would be an affront to mankind as a whole," he said.

The Bolivians, leading a group of dissident, left-leaning Latin American governments here, have complained about closed consultations limited to a select number of delegations. Morales echoed that complaint in his passionate, 20-minute speech, raising questions anew about whether his Bolivarian coalition will block consensus on items before the assembly.

Last year's climate summit in Copenhagen, Denmark, was supposed to have produced a global pact under which richer nations, and possibly some poorer ones, would be required to rein in carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases emitted by industry, vehicles and agriculture.

That agreement would have succeeded the 1997 Kyoto Protocol, which mandated modest emissions reductions by developed nations that expire in 2012. Alone in the industrial world, the U.S. rejected Kyoto, complaining that emerging economies, such as China and India, should also have taken on obligations.

The 2009 summit produced instead a "Copenhagen Accord" under which the U.S., China and more than 80 other nations made voluntary pledges to reduce emissions, or at least to limit their growth.

In a sign of the sensitivity of even voluntary pledges, the U.S. and China are squabbling in Cancun over an effort to "anchor" them in a fresh U.N. document. The Chinese want separate listings to maintain a distinction between developing and developed countries, and the Americans want a single integrated list.

The U.S. delegation also seeks detailed provisions for monitoring, reporting and verification, called "MRV," of how China and other developing nations are fulfilling those voluntary pledges. A leading environmentalist here accused American negotiators of blocking a decision on the green fund in "the kind of brinkmanship that costs lives."

"The United States continues to hold these important decisions hostage in an effort to get what they want on transparency and MRV. This is unacceptable," said Jeremy Hobbs, executive director of Oxfam International.

The green fund would help developing nations buy advanced clean-energy technology to reduce their own emissions, and to adapt to climate change, by building seawalls against rising seas, for example, and upgrading farming practices to compensate for shifting rain patterns.

Developing nations consider inadequate the goal set in the Copenhagen Accord for the fund, of $100 billion a year by 2020, and propose instead that richer countries commit 1.5 percent of their annual gross domestic product – today roughly $600 billion a year.

Developed nations have resisted such ambitious targets, and also objected to language indicating most of the fund's money should come from direct government contributions.

A U.N. high-level panel last month said the greatest contributions to long-term climate financing should come from private investment and from "carbon pricing," either a direct tax broadly on emissions tonnage from power plants and other industrial sources or a system of auctioning off emissions allowances that could be traded among industrial emitters.

Either route would make it economical for enterprises to minimize emissions, and would produce revenue.

The U.S. has been a major holdout against such carbon pricing plans, however, and the impending Republican takeover of the House of Representatives all but guarantees none will be enacted in the U.S. for at least two years.

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cosmiCataclysm
05:29 PM on 12/13/2010
The Bolivians have been abused and forced to work in mines for nearly 500 years. Evo Morales gets it....
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TexasDem0
USMC Vietnam vet,Veteran for Peace
12:29 PM on 12/13/2010
Ecocide is eventual suicide. Why is this even an issue? Because of BIG money interests.
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GregHooper
There is a God and science proves it
02:03 PM on 12/13/2010
This post was in response to one of my earlier comments

True to form HP never got it on the boards There is nothing in this that violates the terms of agreement so I'm assuming computer error

We need to contact HP multiple times regularly from multiple subscribers that their system needs correcting

TexasDem0
A Vietnamese friend visits Vietnam every year. He told me a couple of years ago that much of the southern most rice paddies are now under sea water. Those paddies were among the most prolific rice producing areas in the world, yielding two to three crops per year. Now they will never produce again. The water table has risen so much that river banks, and anything built close to them, are collapsing. Treat global climate as a joke and humanity will become a forgotten joke.

posted Dec 13, 2010 at 12:37:19 Reply Link

My reply would be that this is the first anecdotal evidence of actual loss of massive land use that supports sea rise that I have come accross

I find it surprising (Well not really) that this information is 2yrs old and we have heard nothing reported in the normal media channels

Other than floods and freak weather actual land loss would seem to make the case

It would seem that if an area like this is certfiably gone it would be a known quantity and reported on

Does the author of this article read the reponses Maybe a follow up is in order
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TexasDem0
USMC Vietnam vet,Veteran for Peace
02:45 PM on 12/13/2010
Greg, thanks for reposting that. I get censored all the time.
I wonder if I'm on some moderator's hit list.
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DAE
09:09 PM on 12/12/2010
Evo is the environmental conscience of the human species. He is the only member of Homo sapiens who is an honorary Pandoran.
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Balzac
01:58 PM on 12/10/2010
I agree with Evo Morales.
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Anne Mccormick
08:59 PM on 12/10/2010
Morales wants to up the ante to 600 million dollars does he? sure he can have what he wants just as soon as i see his repayment schedule.
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TexasDem0
USMC Vietnam vet,Veteran for Peace
12:30 PM on 12/13/2010
It's a better investment than illegal oil grab wars.
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GregHooper
There is a God and science proves it
07:24 PM on 12/13/2010
There is no repayment schedule its to buy the land rights to prevent more enviromental rape of his country

The idea is to make the forests a land trust because they are worth more to humankind when intact than if you just rip them apart for a one time sale on the open market

Same as Ted Turner has done with all the land he owns in the Southwest virgin land never to be destroyed

The lungs of our planet

So which do you prefer an actual ecosystem or a color TV to watch Wild Planet
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Opening Shares
10:03 AM on 12/10/2010
In the subtle and gentle blunt force trauma style that only Democracy Now! can report, yesterday's show ever so lightly bludgeoned it's audience with the fact that if a profit can't be made from saving the world from itself, then there is little hope. Which left me more hopeless, since it is pretty much a fact that all economies are based on resources and not NOT doing the things that cause climate change is an inaction and not a resource. Any of the likely to be meager responses to climate change will be geared toward aiding the violators of the ersatz ecologic policy. That's the policy that says you are responsible to the planet you live on. That policy will only be recognized when it is too late.
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Balzac
02:01 PM on 12/10/2010
It all has to do with what people value most. Profit can be made from saving nature. But profit has to be measured differently, with the good of mankind and nature as a whole, considered as being fundamental.

"For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?"
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GregHooper
There is a God and science proves it
07:22 AM on 12/10/2010
The water under the Greenland ice sheet is 40` that means it's melting

Frozen intact Mastodons thawed out of glaciers in Switzerlan­­d in the Mid 70's and are appearing more frequently that means ice 10,000yrs old is melting

The frozen swamps around Russia are melting and catching fire Remember Moscow this summer

Pipelines in Alaska are sinking into the Tundra because tunda is frozen swamps and they are no longer frozen they're melting

Seafarers spent hundreds of years trying to find the Northwest Passage but couldn't get through because it was frozen

Now it's not frozen It's melting

1/4 of Pakistan went under water in flooding this summer Warmer air carries more water vapor making bigger rainstorms and monsoons Along with the Himalayan glaciers which are melting and causing huge runoff

You see the word being used here over and over Static temperatur­­es don't cause melting warming temperatur­­es do Thats not sceince that's nature telling us something is getting warmer

This was all predicted in the 70's and all the computer models are being proven correct

Gloom and doom does not come at you overnight it's like the frog boiling in the pot analogy It's real slow and you won't feel a thing until it's to late

So by Republican logic thats how long we should wait because they saw some mistakes in 40 yrs of statistica­l analysis

The problem with having your head in the sand is that your assss gets burned

More tax breaks should fix that
08:22 AM on 12/10/2010
Thanks for all the observable and scientific observations.

Don't forget how a month's worth of rain fell in 24 hours in the Philippines, famous mountains ranges losing their ice caps (Kilimanjaro, Fuji) and disappearing glaciers.

And Diesel died because his engine was designed to burn vegetable oil.
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GregHooper
There is a God and science proves it
11:41 AM on 12/10/2010
At the beginning of the auto mobile era cars ran on steam vege electricity hydrogen gas and diesel

Vege was intended for farmers to be able to grow their own fuel eliminating transportation costs but vege won't work in cold weather unless heated or mixed with diesel in the starting proccess

Oil won the day because of more combustable power torque or horse power per unit of measurement than all the others

Then the Robber Barrons were able to corner the markets by controlling the supply We still have the ability and if you like you can do it for yourself

Marketing it is a whole nother thing

Thanks for the additional examples of evidential melting and extreme rainfall Theres only so much information you can put out in 250 words or less and the example list can fill pages

Good luck to you and yours in the future and remember you can't save people from themselves You need to look out for your own and anyone who is willing to work with you

If they are a negaitive weight Let 'em go

If a bear attacks your camp do you need to be faster than the bear or faster than the slowest camper

And if the slowest camper left food in their tent after being told by everyone that it attracts bears Leave them to their fate

They will only endanger everyone again the next time Some people refuse to learn
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Backtalkisahorse
04:45 PM on 12/13/2010
Diesel didn't fall...he was Pushed.
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eyelashviper
In wilderness is the preservation of the world
12:15 PM on 12/10/2010
Thank you for your lengthy and informative posts on this issue, faved, already fanned.
Given the weather changes in our country, and the vast amount of data supporting climate change, it is beyond comprehension how any sentient being can ignore the facts, especially while those changes are seen in everyone's own back yard.
Here in Florida, we have seen two of the coldest winters on record (this one just beginning), along with severe drought, and the hottest summers in the past two years. In other parts of the country, the weather has become just as extreme and unpredictable, and differs from earlier decades of fairly consistent seasonal patterns.
As you say, the ostrich can deny, but will pay dearly.
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Luuke
02:22 AM on 12/10/2010
Fraud fraud....Wonder why these hippies choose places like Cancun for these "climate talks "...People can't even afford that place for a holiday....and before that it was Copenhagen....Wonder why we gettin broke by the day and these hippies enjoy a paid vacation funded by our tax money ....
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politicky
just follow the $$$
02:50 AM on 12/10/2010
Put down the Kool-Aid and go to bed
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GregHooper
There is a God and science proves it
07:32 AM on 12/10/2010
Would you have been happier if they went to Des Moines

Is it that you feel Climate Change was invented by Hippies so they could have free vacations in exotic locales on the taxpayers dime You don't want your taxes spent on...

Read my post above this one it might help you understand what we are facing

As far as Can Cun being the place for this conference where would you suggest Can Cun is very cheap as it is and big enough to host a conference 10 times bigger
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KarlaElisa
The atmosphere is Toxic
01:46 AM on 12/10/2010
"Scientists say temperatures could rise by up to 6.4 degrees Celsius (11.5 degrees Fahrenheit) in this century without deeper cuts..."

WHAT? Temperatures could rise up to 11.5 degrees fahrenheit THIS CENTURY?!!!! I thought we were busy freaking they could go up 1-3 Degrees F this century.
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Matthew Harrold
Huzzah!
02:06 AM on 12/10/2010
It all depends as to what happens with various positive feedback loops which might be kick started. On the brighter sider of life there'll be less of a temperature rise around the equator then at the poles.
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KarlaElisa
The atmosphere is Toxic
05:34 AM on 12/10/2010
Oy. I should start packing...
gclafontaine
Sand is a small price to pay for sandlessness.
01:24 AM on 12/10/2010
The oil companies just want to reassure all of you that there is no global warming and anyone who claims that there is must be either a terrorist or, worse, a socialist.
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Luuke
02:23 AM on 12/10/2010
How much hv u invested in this fraud ???
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
05:54 PM on 12/10/2010
u r such an aw. y don't you juabm? u r the fraud aw.

BTW, your mommy just called you home for dinner aw.

Buy.
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12:54 AM on 12/10/2010
What are you afraid of Moderator?
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Luuke
02:32 AM on 12/10/2010
U probably n yr vicious lies...
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
04:09 PM on 12/10/2010
AAA is more deeply intelligent a person than you are ever likely to meet, let alone being.
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Midnight Toker
11:21 PM on 12/09/2010
Greenland's Ice Has Secret Weapon Against Melting
09 December 2010 by Michael Marshall
Journal reference: Nature, DOI: 10.1038/nature09618
Greenland's ice sheets are shrinking already as the climate warms, and some glaciologists fear that they could accelerate their own destruction. If they all melted, they would raise global sea levels by 6.5 metres – though even in a world 8 °C warmer than now this might take 1000 years.

The feared self-destruct device is water. As a glacier melts, water runs down to its base. In theory, this lubrication should accelerate the glacier's slide downhill and melt it sooner.

But this positive feedback is "limited", says Christian Schoof of the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, Canada, who has built a new model of glaciers that simulates how they respond to meltwater. He says glaciers can get rid of excess water because of the way their internal structure changes.

Schoof's model could help explain what is happening to Greenland's glaciers, says glaciologist Roderik van de Wal of Utrecht University in the Netherlands, who has found no sign of the feared feedback effect. "The melt has been increasing but glacier velocities have not," he says.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19842-greenlands-ice-has-secret-weapon-against-melting.html
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12:39 AM on 12/10/2010
Translation: there is a limit to the lubricating effect of meltwater on glacial movement. Your point for bringing this up is?
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Midnight Toker
02:11 PM on 12/10/2010
Roderik van de Wal of Utrecht University in the Netherland s, who has found no sign of the feared feedback effect.
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this should be good news!
lightnessandjoy
Is micro-bio a new disease?
10:42 PM on 12/09/2010
Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle.
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12:40 AM on 12/10/2010
Burn, burn, burn.
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10:34 PM on 12/09/2010
A proposal to protect forests worldwide is on the table at the U.N. Climate Change Conference in Cancún. Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation (REDD), would include forests in the emerging carbon markets, allowing governments and corporations to purchase permits to protect forests as a way to offset the carbon released into the atmosphere through its industrial pollution. Though often reported as a means to stop deforestation, there is widespread approval to REDD from environmental and indigenous groups.
10:17 PM on 12/09/2010
What do all of the delegates at the climate change meeting have in common? They are all 100% blind to the temperatures they are discussing, so is industry and education of every country. I have a double education in building engineering and electrical energy provision for the world. We design for and create emissions but we see nothing, we use calculators. Let me give you the basics.

Weather = is the basic interaction of cold and warm air with water vapor. If you heat the air, it changes the weather formula.

Global warming causing climate change means there is a source of heat warming the air. Have you seen it? Neither have the UN Members.

Blind science = blind policy

Building codes and meteorologists tell us to watch out for solar radiation, reflect it or building development can be radiated by the same UV that burns skin. Here is a link to show you what we missed in the calculator. November, 2010 it was 10 degrees F reported at the weather station, solar radiated buildings were as hot as 132 degrees F without producing emissions. Paint color or shade can stop the radiation, we couldn't see it before. http://www.thermoguy.com/urbanheat.html

The buildings we documented were 120 degrees F warmer than the atmosphere and the UN is reporting that 7 degrees will be catastrophic? Los Angeles spends 100 million a year for energy costs for UHI, they need paint or shade. A/C is not good.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
12:46 AM on 12/10/2010
What the heck is the point of all that?
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01:07 AM on 12/10/2010
I am an architect and familiar with building technology; I can't tell what this guy is saying except that somehow we can offset the effects of warming with passive rather than active building technology. At any rate it is certainly a case of missing the forest for a tree.
gclafontaine
Sand is a small price to pay for sandlessness.
01:14 AM on 12/10/2010
That sounds like a very nice recipe for pumpkin bread. That's what it is, right?
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Pekuliar316
10:02 PM on 12/09/2010
The Climate Change movement took years to develop, years to discredit, and it will take years to disappear. The global wealth redistribution folks have reluctantly moved on now that the money is drying up.
gclafontaine
Sand is a small price to pay for sandlessness.
01:15 AM on 12/10/2010
Your ignorance is on full display.
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Luuke
02:26 AM on 12/10/2010
Yr scam is on full display ....Haven't u been following after Copenhagen ???
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Luuke
02:25 AM on 12/10/2010
before that they'll still hv a few more "seminars" at our cost after Cancun if may be Mauritius ....All exotic location these hippies prefer.....
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12:02 PM on 12/10/2010
You learn a lot about a person by how they lodge arguments, especially using archaic cultural terms like "hippie" to refer to people they don't believe in. Obviously the larger point is missing on you.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
04:12 PM on 12/10/2010
The sixties called. They want their terminology back.