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NFL Players Still Confused About Illegal Hits

BARRY WILNER   12/10/10 03:39 PM ET   AP

Nfl Players Confused

NEW YORK — Seven weeks after the NFL's crackdown on illegal hits, players remain confused about what they can and can't do. The league says there should be no such uncertainty.

Many players questioned by The Associated Press over the past week believe there's a lack of consistency in calls; don't understand the disciplinary process through which fines are handed out; say the punishments often don't fit the crime; and even suggest some players are being targeted by game officials and the NFL.

NFL senior vice president of football operations Ray Anderson replied that the process is clear and transparent, and any favoritism "is not something we would tolerate or condone."

The AP talked to three dozen players across the league about a variety of topics related to the NFL's move to ramp up punishment for flagrant fouls ever since Oct. 17, when three such instances resulted in hefty fines and the threat of suspension. Most players surveyed believe the league is likely to suspend a player for an egregious hit at some point.

But they aren't sure what an egregious hit is.

"I think they're inconsistent," said Saints defensive end Will Smith, an assistant player representative to the NFL Players Association. "You see a guy get punched in the face and get fined $25,000 and not suspended, but then you see a guy mush a guy with a helmet on and get fined the exact same thing. So I think the NFL will have to clear up the way they're fining because they're not really fair."

Added Packers cornerback Charles Woodson, the 2009 Defensive Player of the Year:

"It's hard to just change something overnight, something you've been taught for so long. To me, it seems like ... a guy gets hit and they're going off the outcome of the play. If a guy ends up hurt or seems a little out of it, woozy or whatever, then all of a sudden it's a personal foul and a $50,000 or $75,000 fine or whatever it is.

"I know it's not the intent of every player to go out and knock a player out. Your job is to go get the ball and try to get the ball out if you can. I think they're taking that away from guys."

The league is taking away lots of money from players, with fines climbing to $40,000 or more for flagrant fouls. Last week, Texans safety Bernard Pollard was docked $40,000 for unnecessary roughness against Justin Gage of the Titans.

Anderson said every player in the NFL is capable of adjusting to the way the league wants games played – and always has wanted them played.

"Very frankly, I think every player at this level is so skillful and intelligent that if they want to adapt, they can and will adapt," Anderson said. "I'm not concerned we have any players, including ones with repeat violations, who can't adapt. If they want to adapt, they can, and there are examples of that."

Indeed, NFL owners will be shown a video next week at their meetings in Dallas that features clean hits in games played since the crackdown on flagrant fouls. Anderson said the video "clearly shows players making adjustments" and that some former rule-breakers "have gotten the message" when it comes to hitting defenseless players.

But the message many on the field seem to have gotten is muddled. They cite a video sent to the 32 teams and narrated by Anderson that displays legal and illegal tackles, saying it cleared up nothing.

"It's a hard situation for everybody to figure out," said Steelers safety and player rep Ryan Clark. "It seems like every week there is a new explanation for why a penalty is called."

Jets safety Eric Smith was suspended for one game in 2008 for launching himself into Anquan Boldin, then with the Cardinals, in the end zone. So Smith should be clear on what's a violation and what's acceptable.

He isn't.

"What we understand is leading with the crown of the head, which we've always known" is illegal, he said. "We have no idea what's a defenseless receiver or player.

"Sometimes on a helmet-to-helmet hit, they've got to understand that your shoulders are next to your head and it's hard to keep the helmet out of it when someone moves as you are making the hit. And you're going so fast and usually at an angle."

That's another issue for players: the speed of the game versus the speed at which the tackles are being reviewed by Anderson, his assistant Merton Hanks, and director of officiating Carl Johnson.

"It's not as easy for us to play the game. We don't play the game with a remote in our hand, to be able to rewind and slow down," said Broncos veteran safety Brian Dawkins, one of the hardest hitters in football. "The game has never been played like that. It will never be played like that. There will always be huge collisions, there will always be things that are going to happen split-second. It's just one of those things, a part of the game. It's a physical, in-your-face sport."

The league isn't interested in taking away the physical aspects of the game. Anderson believes that, generally, the players have adhered to the rules and emphasizes there haven't been any fouls worthy of handing out a suspension.

He warns, though, that the threat of suspension is not lip service, and that players already fined for various violations are treading dangerous ground if they break more rules.

"We hope that time to does not come, but repeat offenders are at higher risk than other folks," he said.

Some players even believe certain peers are being watched far more closely than others, with Steelers star linebacker James Harrison mentioned most often. Harrison has been fined $125,00 for hits on the Browns' Mohamed Massaquoi, Titans quarterback Vince Young, Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick.

Harrison briefly thought about retiring in October after he was nailed for $75,000 for hits in the Cleveland game.

"Defensive players do feel targeted in this situation," Clark said. "We feel the NFL is going to protect quarterbacks. They're going to protect all of them – except ours. You see the way (Ben Roethlisberger is) bent up after plays. James (Harrison) makes football plays, before-the-whistle plays, and they're being called.

"It's getting tough on James, I don't know what to tell him."

Anderson would tell him much the same thing Commissioner Roger Goodell has told Harrison when they met following the heaviest of Harrison's fines.

"We understand the utmost importance of player safety and particularly to prevent head trauma and neck trauma," Anderson said. "We have dedicated ourselves to do that and will not relent in protecting against those illegal hits."

As for any favoritism, Anderson's voice spiked as he said, "The integrity of the game is first and foremost. Under this commissioner and leadership of this office, that is not something we would tolerate or condone. If we ever believed any of that was going on, we would come down with a vengeance."

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AP Pro Football Writers Arnie Stapleton in Denver and Jaime Aron in Dallas, and Sports Writers Alan Robinson in Pittsburgh, Brett Martel in New Orleans and Chris Jenkins in Milwaukee contributed to this story.

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spytheweb
Black Democrat
04:28 PM on 12/12/2010
Just because these guys are in charge, don't think they know what they're doing.
08:16 AM on 12/12/2010
This video sums it up...lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKEJwbW0OJY
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Morgantheaxe
Eisenhower Republicans don't drink tea!!
02:46 AM on 12/12/2010
There are Aussie and English rugby players out there that are sooooo laughing their collective @ss off at us.
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Morgantheaxe
Eisenhower Republicans don't drink tea!!
02:38 AM on 12/12/2010
The players aren't the only ones confused, but I think it goes something like this. Doesn't matter when, where, or how hard the hit is if someone gets injured the hit was illegal. Doesn't matter if the hit was not different than every other hit you have made or the rest of the league has made for that matter. What matters is did someone get hurt or fake being hurt well enough.
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ragtag
07:53 PM on 12/11/2010
Dress them all in tutus and make them use flags instead - problem solved.
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Aripottah
Celebrating conservative ineptitude since 1776
07:06 PM on 12/11/2010
Gosh, it can't be that confusing. Don't give the other guy a concussion. Seems pretty straightforward ...
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Morgantheaxe
Eisenhower Republicans don't drink tea!!
02:43 AM on 12/12/2010
Saw hit a couple weeks ago. Not over the top at all. A very boring tackle really. But the top of the defenders helmet hit the back of the ball carriers helmet. Knocked the ball carrier a little loopy. Was a one in a million shot. Again it was a pretty soft hit. Guy picked up a 25k fine. I mean really he didnt drop his head, he didn't plow the guy down full speed, and he didn't hit him late. It was really just a freak accident which can happen in this game btw as we are talking about men weighing in at 250+ for the most part.
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Puller58
Man of Mystery
05:04 PM on 12/11/2010
After the work stoppage/lockout, they all feel dazed and confused.  ("Man, that bank account hit bottom!")
Kiz boy
Here's to the voter!
09:33 AM on 12/11/2010
Hey, I bet if you made them play without their helmets they'd catch on real quick.
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huffyISaHottie
Nothing about me is micro;).
01:26 PM on 12/11/2010
NFL needs a radical change in equipment...soften the helmets
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OneTop
Uh, is that a beer hall?
12:05 AM on 12/11/2010
The game places so much emphasis on the QB, so why not just eliminate all hits/tackling of the QB. The defensive player just has to touch the QB to kill the play anywhere on the field.
The QB is the main star and having them hurt and not playing hurts the league as well as the team.
Easy to understand and fair to all.

Outlaw spearing / helmet first hits for both the offence and defence. Both sides of the ball use the helmet as a weapon when about to be hit or when hitting.

And let them go crazy and celebrate in the end zone again.
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08:47 PM on 12/10/2010
What don't they get.

1. If it looks deliberate helmet to helmet it is a fine
2. If inadvertent it is not a fine.
3. If it is a hit on Tom Brady or Peyton Manning it is most likely a fine.
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Dosadi
Political agnostic
06:29 PM on 12/10/2010
Drop salaries down to about $50,000 a year and this problem will be overlooked.
05:32 PM on 12/10/2010
Ahh, the pussification of football is under way. "Whatever you do, don't hit that guy very hard. It's against the rules." Just change it to flag football at this point.
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Balzac
08:01 AM on 12/11/2010
It's already a cushy game with all the plastic armor. It's just a question of whether or not defensive players can smash the hell out of receivers with malicious hits.

Suppose you're a receiver, and then your assignment is to leap around like you're in a ballet, catching passes. One guy tries to block your catches or intercept them, and if you do catch, you get tackled.

I'm a defensive player and my assignment is to tackle you as hard as I can from your blind side, as soon as you catch the ball. So you almost catch one, but not quite. I'm running at you all tensed up and I drive the front of my helmet into the back of your helmet like I'm a soccer player trying to score a goal, and your brain is the soccer ball.

My body and my neck is all flexed before the impact, like I'm about to be in a car crash. You're unaware and you're relatively relaxed, just hoping to land without injury. Bam! All my momentum is transferred from my helmet to your helmet.

Because my neck is tensed for impact, and you're relaxed, what happens is your brain gets a massive acceleration, while my brain gets a negligible deceleration. You get a brain bruise and I don't. You forget your wife's anniversary, she divorces you and because I'm a defensive player, I remember my wife's anniversary and we live happily ever after.
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04:51 PM on 12/10/2010
"The integrity of the game is first and foremost... If we ever believed any of that was going on, we would come down with a vengeance."
Yes. And since there were flags thrown when Rothlisberger's nose was broken and Heath Miller was laid out by a flagrant hit on a defenseless receiver... wait. No flags on those plays? Good to see the Steelers aren't just having extra flags thrown at them. Now some refs are holding onto flags that should be thrown as well when Steelers get hit.
12:44 AM on 12/13/2010
Remember when this whole mess started? Harrison didn't get flagged either. You're looking for a conspiracy that isn't there. Fines and (supposedly) suspensions are handed out. Bad calls and non-calls suck, that much we all agree on. However, whether or not someone gets flagged has nothing to do with the fine or suspension.
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boomcat44
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04:41 PM on 12/10/2010
The only thing I can see which may cause confusion is when a receiver is on his way down, a defensive player may have already launched himself into a tackle. The point of the intended hit, for the defensive player, may be in the body area, or around the shoulders, but because the receiver is falling, the actual point of contact may wind up around the neck or head of the receiver.
This certainly wouldn't be the the intent of the defensive player, so then it becomes a judgement call for the officials. That judgement becomes easy or easier, if the defensive player has a reputation as a headhunter.
So, players need to invest time and effort in learning or re-learning how to tackle the right way.
That's my opinion, anyway.
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chiodo08
...why do republicans HATE America?...
04:20 PM on 12/10/2010
The NFL is trying to break these players by creating the most veiled policies NEVER written...I have lost all respect for this once tight organization and proud brand...Goodell gets a fresh seat at the pu55y table with Stern and Betman....