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Obama Primary Challenge Talk Comically Innocent Compared To What Clinton Faced

First Posted: 12/10/10 10:32 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

Obama Primary Challenge

WASHINGTON -- When former President Bill Clinton visits the White House on Friday, both he and Obama will have no shortage of political conversation topics. Chief among them will be reversing the course of a presidency stalled out by a mid-term electoral drubbing -- a fork in the road that both have faced. Somewhere lower down the list will be dealing with insurrection within the party ranks.

While talk has been pervasive this past week over the possibility (or lack thereof) of a primary challenger taking on Obama in 2012, it is nothing compared to the chatter that surrounded Clinton in 1994.

"Privately, a number of Democrats advance this dream," the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette wrote on Christmas Day 1994. "Clinton withdraws after being badly wounded in the early primaries, the party unites behind Vice President Al Gore, and Democrats retain the White House in 1996."

A Times Mirror Center For the People & The Press poll (now know as the Pew Center) taken in early December found that "two-thirds of Democrats want someone in their party to challenge President Clinton for renomination," sparking, naturally, a bit of press coverage.

The late William Safire of the New York Times wrote with near certainty that "Democrats afflicted with can't-win blues can expect a primary challenge to the President," before floating one possibility (Ross Perot) and then homing in on another: "the respected anti-partisan David Boren (D-Okl), 52."

Boren himself fanned the flames, declaring that the president should give "serious consideration" to not seeking re-election.

Safire wasn't the only Times-man to dabble in the primary-challenge analysis. The paper ran a front-page story, authored by the venerable R.W. Apple Jr., under the headline "Clinton's Grip on '96 Ticket Not So Sure."

The next day, the New York Post followed suit with a front-page blare: "IT'S TIME TO DUMP BILL."

Frank Sesno, the former CNN correspondent, breathlessly declared on air: "Listen, I had a very, very senior member of the Democratic Congressional scene tell me this past week that he sees almost no scenario under which Bill Clinton avoids a primary challenge and, in any case, can be reelected."

And in a year-end interview with wire service reporters, Clinton himself was asked about the possibility of being challenged. He responded, unequivocally and not unexpectedly, that he would run for re-election and was "not worried" about the primaries.

Nor did he need to be. Clinton would, of course, face only token opposition for the nomination. Former Governor Bob Casey (D-Penn.) was the one potential candidate who truly considered challenging the president. But he chose not to, citing health reasons. The predictable Lyndon LaRouche run for the presidency was made to no one's real surprise or notice. Clinton cruised to re-nomination and from there a second term in office. The post-1994-election prognostications proved, ultimately, a waste of ink, paper and airtime,

There were, it should be noted, some people who got it right at the time. "Meet the Press" Host Tim Russert called it "idle punditry" and "just plain dumb." Paul Begala, whose job as a Clinton aide included tamping down the primary-challenge rumors, said the chatter was "just flat out wrong."

So it was not entirely surprising to find out that Begala was equally bearish on the idea that Obama might face a primary challenge of his own. Sure, Democrats have a history of intra-party gunfights. In 1952, Harry Truman lost the New Hampshire primary to Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver. In 1968, Eugene McCarthy challenged Lyndon Johnson. In 1980, Jimmy Carter faced a bid from Ted Kennedy. In each of these cases, the president was irrevocably damaged. But the idea that the same circumstances would trip up Obama were just as unhinged from political realities as when they were applied to a much more damaged Clinton in 1994.

"As my kids say, NHD: Not happening dude," said Begala. "This is a total NHD. Now why, it's for the same reasons as Clinton. First and most importantly talent matters. Bill Clinton is the most talented politician in my life. Look it up, Barack Obama is the first black guy to win this thing. He is a colossal talent and talent matters. Who the hell wants to take him on? I don't care if he is weakened up or down. He is only going to be more talented the more he does this.

"You know, I'm not an Obama Kool-Aid drinker. But who in the world would want to climb in the ring with this guy?"

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WASHINGTON -- When former President Bill Clinton visits the White House on Friday, both he and Obama will have no shortage of political conversation topics. Chief among them will be reversing the cour...
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07:38 PM on 12/12/2010
In both cases it was the Country and WeThePeople who lost the most as both the Republicans and Democratic base trashed the smarter more caring Democraic leaders.

Meanwhile under Obama we got such terrible things as:

= Equal Pay for Equal Work
= Higher fuel efficiancy by Law
= Regulations that will limit the possiblity of a simillar economic meltdown
= And an orderly shut down of the larger financial institutions.

= Saving the US Auto Industry (immediate 75,00 jobs & millions and millions in that food chain)
= Regulaiton of Health Insurers so no more than 15% of premium dollars go to profits &expense
= Tax credits for small businesses to provide health insurance (35% and 50% in 4 years.
= Road cleared to the elimination of Don't Ask Don't tell.
= Unemployment extensions for Millions.
= Subsity for Health Care coverage for the Middle Class
= Restoration of funds for Basic Science
= Efforts to revamp our education system
= Significant resuctions in Interests rates for Student Loans.
= Choice in Health Care that will eliminate the State by State Monopolies through the Exchange
= Eventual ability to insert a Public Option if Insurance companies keep raising rates.
= Repairs of roads throughout the country
= Etc etc.

Yet the Democratic base was not happy and stayed home on election day. So the devils are now taking over determined to continue lowering our standard of living in every category.
09:14 AM on 12/12/2010
Obama's got worse things to worry about than a primary challenger. With the base having already decided they got screwed, they'll probably just stay home in 2012 like they did in 2010. Can't get elected if you don't feed the base. And saying "It could be worse" ain't gonna cut it because it already is.
02:17 AM on 12/12/2010
I wish the world I lived in was as simple and as the refined, limited, stripped down version that many here seem to live in. Where politic's was reduced to right and left choices that took no notice of lobbies, corrupt ruthless bankers, greedy corporations and power hungry egomaniac's. But alas I was thrown out of wonderland years ago and i can't seem to locate the red pill.
01:48 AM on 12/12/2010
Time to take back control of Washington. We the people can create our own Ticket. How about Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders in any order. We get them elected then a bunch of us take our muskets move to D.C. and protect them and their families while they clean house. Starting with repeal of the Federal Reserve act.
02:08 AM on 12/12/2010
You're nutz!
02:24 AM on 12/12/2010
Yea I know.I like it that way.
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12:29 AM on 12/12/2010
I love the way the "pundits" dress up a challenge to be something like a "magical curse" of "irrevocable damage." It's a *primary* for crissakes ... and the Obama-Clinton bloodbath seems to have been worse than Bush I's dagger-fight with Buchanan.

Methinks a serious primary fight with a sitting president occurs ONLY when the sitting president is damaged goods, and liable to not win anyway.

But, these political "blame games" are always amusing! Others include:
1) We would have won if Candidate Z hadn't run independently. (This excuse never takes into account the people who would have stayed home otherwise)
2) We would have won if my base hadn't deserted me. Did they really think I expend political capital to get my campaign agenda passed? (Awww, do you think we enjoy being chumps?)
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11:42 PM on 12/11/2010
There is NO way Obama will be primaried. All the yelling and complaining is just bluster and hot air. When 2012 rolls around, I believe all these naysayers will once again fall in line. BOTH parties are the same. Without a viable third or fourth party option, nothing will change. Progressives can claim to support an outside politician in '12, but the reality is that all this is just talk.

The Tea Party is the closest thing to a viable third party on the Right. The Left lacks the organization and drive to create a comparable movement.
02:11 AM on 12/12/2010
Tea Party? Sorry pal we have seen that rabble.
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Pragmatic Libertarian
12:55 AM on 12/13/2010
Well, Ernie, like them or not, they got elected didn't they? So they indeed appear to be viable. Whether or not they truly splinter off on their own is another matter entirely.
08:31 PM on 12/11/2010
This doesn't alter the thrust of the article, but c'mon. McCarthy challenged VP Humphrey in 68. LBJ didn't run.
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polishlogician
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11:25 PM on 12/11/2010
Entering the 1968 election campaign, initially, no prominent Democratic candidate was prepared to run against a sitting president of the Democratic party.

Only Senator Eugene McCarthy of Minnesota challenged Johnson as an anti-war candidate in the New Hampshire primary, hoping to pressure the Democrats to oppose the war. On March 12, McCarthy won 42% of the primary vote to Johnson's 49%, an amazingly strong showing for such a challenger.

Four days later, Sen. Robert F. Kennedy of New York entered the race. Internal polling by Johnson's campaign in Wisconsin, the next state to hold a primary election, showed the President trailing badly. Johnson did not leave the White House to campaign.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_B._Johnson#1968_presidential_election
03:46 AM on 12/12/2010
You are correct with your cut-n-paste description from Wikipedia, and I am wrong because my memories of the four or five months after LBJ announced he was out are much more vivid than those of the NH primary.

I apologize to you and Mr. Stein.
08:27 PM on 12/11/2010
I can remember Hillary Clinton's famous quote about Obama: "The sky will open. The lights will come down. Celestial choirs will be singing and everyone will know we should do the right thing and the world will be perfect!" Man, hindsight is 20/20. I wish we new then what we know now.

At least Hillary has has a pair. Obama can give a good speech, but govern....not so much. Community organizers do not make a good president. No way, no how, will I vote for Obama again.

I Thought we were getting a fighter. Instead, we get Bush light.
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03:52 PM on 12/11/2010
The difference is Clinton actually wanted to be president and was willing to fight.
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Fattonecat
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03:22 PM on 12/11/2010
Obama will lose in 2012. Not to a Dem challenger but to a Republican. This liberal is staying home unless something seriously positive happens, like water walking or the second coming.
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11:47 AM on 12/11/2010
I'm sick of Bill Clinton. He was an awful president.  The only reason the economy was good during his presidency was the dot.com bubble which burst in March 2001.  Clinton deregulated the banks, illegally suspended our constitutional right to habeas corpus and enacted NAFTA.  It is time to reverse the Clinton and Bush doctrines.
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09:44 AM on 12/11/2010
The truth about a primary challenge to Obama is the best you'll get is an Obama/Clinton clone. The worst is Obama. The Democratic party is not, and has not been for DECADES, the party of the working class that America keeps expecting it to act like. That's simply not them and it's not going to magically become them any time soon. It's time for the Left to find and support a third party. That or get used to having no representation in our nation's capital.
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07:17 AM on 12/11/2010
No democrat can take the WH without high voter turnout among African-Americans and primarying the first black president would ensure that black voter turnout would be depressed.

Primarying Obama is a fools' errand.
09:00 AM on 12/11/2010
Better than electing another errant fool!
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04:56 AM on 12/11/2010
News people are afraid of being called racist.
02:17 AM on 12/12/2010
Who's calling the News people racist? Unless you mean...Fox?
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01:30 AM on 12/11/2010
I heard Laura Sanders on Grit TV propose a primary challanger. "Someone who could win," she said. "Susan Sarandon."

Really.
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12:45 PM on 12/11/2010
Susan Serandon actually could win. Why do you think Republicans keep putting forward so many attractive women as candidates. A movie star is smart thinking. The Democrats should field a dozen of them.
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03:23 PM on 12/11/2010
Dr ....?