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Are The Long-Term Unemployed Saved Or Screwed?

First Posted: 12/17/10 11:20 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

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Advocates for the jobless are divided on whether a deal reauthorizing emergency benefits for a full year has saved or screwed the unemployed.

Fans of the deal, including the White House, the AFL-CIO, and the National Employment Law Project, say legislation passed by Congress Thursday evening provides the longest-possible -- and nearly the longest-ever -- reauthorization of extended unemployment benefits, despite fierce Republican opposition to the extension.

Many Democrats in the House of Representatives remain unimpressed.

"This legislation will push struggling American families off their last lifelines during the worst recession since the Great Depression just to give tax breaks to the super rich," said Rep. Jim McDermott (D-Wash.) in a statement Friday morning.

McDermott's statement reflects many Democrats' concern that the fate of the jobless aid one year from now will be decided by a Republican-controlled Congress at a time when the employment situation isn't expected to be much better than it is now.

The bill reauthorized two programs, Emergency Unemployment Compensation and Extended Benefits, which provide up to 73 weeks of help to laid-off workers who have exhausted the 26 weeks of aid provided by states. Congress has given layoff victims extra weeks of benefits during every recession going back to the 1950s, but Republicans recently lost their appetite for the deficit-spending that traditionally funds the benefits, blocking much shorter reauthorizations several times this year.

(For people who exhaust even the federally-funded benefits, which in some states allow 99 weeks of aid, no help is forthcoming in the foreseeable future.)

What's so galling to Democrats is that the tax cuts for the rich were reauthorized not for one year, but for two. Rep. David Wu (D-Ore.) pushed a resolution that would have equalized the duration of the benefits and tax breaks, but Democratic leadership pushed it aside in favor of an amendment to modify the bill's estate tax provisions. The amendment failed as many Democrats who had previously supported nearly identical legislation flipped their votes.

"Screwed again," Wu said after the vote on Thursday evening.

Nearly five million people relied on the federally-funded benefits as of last week, according to the Labor Department. More than six million of the 15.1 million unemployed have been out of work for longer than six months.

Republicans signaled Thursday evening that unemployment benefits for those people will be handled differently from now on.

"I think we should have paid for the extension of unemployment insurance and, frankly, we will," Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), incoming chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said during floor debate before the bill passed. "I'm committed to producing legislation next year to revamp, reform, and pay for the federal unemployment benefits our nation provides."

Not "paying for" unemployment benefits is one of the only things congressional Democrats have held firm on in the past year, as they suspect offsetting the benefits' cost undermines their economic stimulus and sets a precedent that could lead to the undoing of one of the federal government's main tools for fighting a recession.

Supporters of the deal don't disagree, but they focus on the fact that even three-month extensions have been difficult to achieve.

"Until recently, insiders in Washington, D.C., had not given much chance for a full-year reauthorization and a continuation of full emergency federal funding for the programs," wrote Mitchell Hirsch of the National Employment Law Project. "But unemployed workers and our allies were undaunted and unwavering -- and we've won."

Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.) told HuffPost after voting for the deal that he hoped it would improve the economy enough to prevent another hostage situation this time next year.

"We have to hope that this package will have the desired stimulative effect and will help bring down unemployment so that an emergency extension may not be needed," he said.

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Advocates for the jobless are divided on whether a deal reauthorizing emergency benefits for a full year has saved or screwed the unemployed. Fans of the deal, including the White House, the AFL-CIO,...
Advocates for the jobless are divided on whether a deal reauthorizing emergency benefits for a full year has saved or screwed the unemployed. Fans of the deal, including the White House, the AFL-CIO,...
 
 
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Welib 12:06 PM on 12/17/2010
"I think we should have paid for the extension of unemployment insurance and, frankly, we will," Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), incoming chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, said during floor debate before the bill passed.
 
Obama totally screwed up here and the Republicans blackmailed him into giving the criminals what they  Read More...
  
YOU ARE NOT PAYING FOR TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY??? BUT YOU STEAL THE FOOD OUT OF AMERICAN FAMILIES AND BOOT THEM OUT OF THEIR HOUSES, REFUSE TO HELP YOUR OWN PEOPLE. 
 
WHY ARE WE PUTTING UP WITH POLITICIANS THAT ARE CRIMINALS THAT ARE STEALING FROM US AND THAT WOULD SEE STARVING AND HOMELESS AMERICANS WHILE THEY HAND OUR MONEY OVER TO CORPORATIONS AND BILLIONAIRES. 
 
WHAT WESTERN LEADER IN OUR HISTORY EVER HELD THEIR COUNTRY HOSTAGE SO THEY COULD STEAL FROM THEM????
 
WHAT WESTERN LEADER OR AMERICAN LEADER EVER BLACKMAILED THEIR COUNTRY AND THEIR PEOPLE???
 
THESE MEN ARE CRIMINALS AND THEY SHOULD BE IN JAIL.  REPUBLICANS ARE TRAIT_ORS AND THEY SHOULD BE CHARGED AND PROSECUTED FOR BLATANTLY STEALING EVERYTHING FROM US AND WE ARE ALLOWING THEM TO DO IT. 
 
WAIT UNTIL SPRING AND THESE CRIMINALS REFUSE TO RAISE THE DEBT CEILING AND WE DEFAULT ON OUR LOANS.  CHAOS WILL ENSUE AROUND THE WORLD AND THE USA WILL COMPLETELY COLLAPSE. 
 
THE ONLY PEOPLE THIS COLLAPSE ISN'T GOING TO EFFECT ARE THE WEALTHY.  REPUBLICANS DON'T CARE BECAUSE THEY ARE WEALTHY TOO.  IT'S GOING TO DEVASTATE NOT JUST THE WORLD BUT THE USA WILL BE IN COMPLETE FAILURE. 
 
IF YOU THINK THE LAST 10 YEARS HAS BEEN BAD, YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET!
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MikeyJaii
Socialism.
12:21 AM on 12/24/2010
Until we have a REAL leader, a strong leader that sticks to his words and have a actual backbone that isn't corrupted. We could be saved, but right now we're totally screwed.
10:20 AM on 12/30/2010
It is important to realize that Obama has an actual backbone. He is corrupt. It is that simple.
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CaptianTom
06:32 PM on 12/21/2010
The long term unemployed are screwed, they did not vote for democrats, they helped elect the republican majority. Which the republican majority could care-less about. As I have been hearing many companies do not want to hire some one, who is not working. So the unemployed are not screwed once they are screwed twice. I have never heard of anything as stupid as not wanting to hire a unemployed person. Welcome to the third world America, led by the money in their back pocket republicans.
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stox1994
04:05 PM on 12/21/2010
Let me see 9.7% population growth and 9.8% unemployment, any correlation there?

The 99ers are seeing the change started in the Bush era and continued in the Obama era. Sorry to say the government can't correct the problem because the Prez can only put committees together not workforces. Talking to businesses to increase employment, CEOs make their money by saving money hence workforce reduction.

The only way jobs would be created is to reduce workforce hours to bring more people on. Share the pain throughout the employed. Good luck with that!

Second idea: remove salaried positions and pay employees time and a half for over 40 hours. They will hire people faster than ever!

As a 99er I have come to realize that the government can't afford sh%$. The next thing will be the failure of states and local municipalities then the retirees will become the 65ers.
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lyredragon
Obey My Dog!
01:36 AM on 12/21/2010
well. I am totally unhirable. Skilled, educated and nobody will hire. 99ers can gritch but those of us that didn't even get a chance to get a full time job haven't even been able to have been on unemployment bennies at all. At least 99ers had them. People like me had nothing and less than nothing for our time and sacrifice in getting educated to join what has become the inaccessable workforce.
11:03 AM on 12/20/2010
It is a crock, that the longer you stay out of a job the more unhireable you are. First of all the jobs are not there. If the jobs were there the demand would have to be filled by anyone and everyone.
I have been out of work-sometimes for years. Mothers who raise children leave the labor market and return over and over again.
Most work is obtained by being in the right place at the right time or through people you know.

This is both left and right wing propaganda. Even if people work a few hours a week at a mcjob.
The mcjob gets government handouts.
This benefits the gov. and the banks-because the low unemployment numbers will sell more stocks.

If the government and corporations are so upset at the statistics the long term unemployed provide that make their numbers go south-maybe they should work on the problem and just create more well paying jobs.
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nikflorida
09:23 AM on 12/21/2010
I generally agree, except that the jobs ARE there. Thing is, business is holding the labor force hostage, insisting on offering employment only at unreasonably low wages. This is, of course, the real reason the opposition insists on doing what they can to prevent the federal government from providing a safety net for the unemployed. With no alternative at all, people will be forced to accept these unreasonably low offers, and since wage burdens are lower, profits become higher, increasing wealth inequality. THAT is the design. That's what ALL these moves are about: increasing wealth inequality. And since employment is closely correlated to wealth inequality but not to taxation, then as wealth inequality increases, we can expect the employment outlook to get no better. This is the American way, of course. It has been since, in the south, Americans were much more overt about embracing slavery than now.

http://nikflorida.org. Where we don't tell you WHAT to think, just to think.
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Eva fate
02:26 AM on 12/20/2010
My question is why in the hell doesn't someone on the dems side who keeps ranting about how they're sick of repubs "holding the unemployed hostage" over every single bill get some balls and try for a bill that links unemployment extension to the unemployment rate? That is, unemployment will continue to be extended every 3 months until the unemployment rate dips below 5% or whatever they think is logical.
I'm a 25 year old double college dropout and even I thought of it. Would it be difficult to pass the bill? Yes, but most economists literally cringe when they think of that many people suddenly being without income. It would literally crash our economy in a way those that lived through the depression never dreamed of.

I'm frankly insulted at all the stuff that wasn't helping the unemployed that the senate dems decided to do in their last days. yes, ending discriminatory laws like don't ask don't tell is important, and yes i'd prefer not to extend tax cuts for people who usually dodge their taxes anyway. but unemployment is the biggest crisis facing our nation. it should be top priority for congress to keep people stable and get them back to work as soon as possible.
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nikflorida
09:24 AM on 12/21/2010
Eva, you (perhaps naively) make a lot of sense if one assumes that the senate dems have as their goal the betterment of the nation and the strengthening of America's middle class. If that were true, I imagine a lot more people would be outraged than are. Sadly, though, it quite evidently isn't. The senate Dems, much like the president himself, are clearly working towards a personal employment-security agenda, not a more widespread one that benefits the American citizenry.

Is that cynical? Sure it is. Unfortunately, there's plenty of reason to believe it's true. Politicians, like voters, are merely motivated by self-interest, clearly.

http://nikflorida.org. Where we don't tell you WHAT to think, just to think.
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carolr51
12:36 PM on 12/19/2010
Give America a couple more decades, we will be just like Mexico. A few rich at the top, and everyone else are serfs.
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02:04 AM on 12/20/2010
try about 3 years, it won't take 20 years. you will have this entire side of this world going north to Canada, even the mexicans, who don't like the cold
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skylark
Tangled up in blue..
07:28 AM on 12/20/2010
Canada doesn't have to accept anyone Canada doesn't want. It's not that easy to emigrate.
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DanBeach
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03:48 PM on 12/20/2010
forgot to fan last post
12:54 PM on 12/18/2010
When people talk about "creating jobs", how does one create something from nothing? Isn't that a religion concept?
12:25 PM on 12/18/2010
This is a good deal for the unemployed only in the minds of the ign0rant.....................

Especially long term unemployed..........

Let's see...........,

The latest numbers for economic growth are 2.5%

The economy must grow at 2.5% jst to make up for immigration.

At a growth rate of 2.5%..., there are no job losses or job gains...

Meanwhile it is estimated that it will take four to five years for the unemployement rate to go back to normal.......

It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realize..., the unemployed..., especially the long term unemployed just got the shaft.............
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democrats for life
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03:37 AM on 12/19/2010
actually, the 2.5 percent only makes up for population growth, if you add immigration, we are in the hole. this new tax bill that keeps taxes down on rich will not create any jobs either, it will spur outsourcing. 2011 will be over 11 percent unemployment, it would be more, but 1 million more 99'ers per mouth will keep it lower, as they fall off the rolls
01:42 AM on 12/20/2010
How about the Self Employed such as myself (15yrs) without any bennies? Im glad some of you folks that need it , have it to fall back on, but no one even thinks about the self employed. Wonder how that would work into the Gov't numbers. Unemployment is 20% easy. Hold on to your shorts in 2011.
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05:29 AM on 12/18/2010
The Government has just created a (new class) of people by not extending benefits to the 99ers. So... now we have the “Upper Class”, “Middle Class” and now the “disposable class”.
12:40 PM on 12/18/2010
I don't believe we have a Middle Class any longer...it's gone.
06:49 PM on 12/18/2010
Oh, just cheer up now! We'll simply become a revised (highly educated & experienced) version of the 17th-early 18 centuries' indentured servants, living on the few scraps occasionally tossed to us!

The irony of being a 99er for me is that now recruiters and employers are FINALLY starting to call me for contract-to-perm, temp-to-perm, & perm work assignments & interviews. But I can't go to such work assignments & interviews b/c my car needs minor repairs to run again, & I don't even have $1 to my name to pay for such repairs nor to pay the $120 monthly fee for a bus/train pass to get to & from the job sites and interviewing employers. If I still had unemployment, I could get my car fixed, buy a bus/train pass, & I truly believe be back at work again in January making a pretty decent wage. But with no family or friends to pitch in & help out, and no charitable organizations around that provide transportation/car repair assistance, I'm stuck in this Catch-22 nightmare! Life sure does present some strange twists of fate!
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Eva fate
02:14 AM on 12/20/2010
that's terrible! the situation is similar in my area... many jobs are in areas that most of the people living in my town would need a car to get to, so they can't get the job, but can't afford even a crappy car without the job...My thoughts and prayers are with you, for what it's worth. I hope something improves for you soon!
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democrats for life
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08:06 PM on 12/17/2010
i figgured out i paid in 250,000 to social security already and i am not even close to age 62 yet. i also figgured out, this money in the right investment would be worth around 1 million dollars as of right now. if the republicans mess with my social security, they can take care of me when i'm old
07:24 PM on 12/17/2010
Who is talking about the people who still aren't making money after they have exhausted the unemployment options? I don't even think that 9% number is right, I got laid off in February of 2009 and am struggling to start my own business now that jobs have been exhausted. Money comes in spurts and hardly counts as being employed, where are we represented?
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Chuck Rewalt
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06:43 PM on 12/17/2010
Oh they are good at looking like they will do something. Election moments so caring they sound.. But when all is said and done they work so hard but do so little where it counts. But be sure the big money helps them decide what is best for their golden road in life.. Pitiful..
06:27 PM on 12/17/2010
99ers are screwed. Relief is just a election cycle away.
06:30 PM on 12/17/2010
We're not gonna survive that long.
06:33 PM on 12/17/2010
I know. I'm a 99er but afraid to admit it to anyone. Reugs call us lazy and wanting handouts. I think we are products of a sick and uncaring Reuglican Party.
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democrats for life
republicans need not apply
08:31 PM on 12/17/2010
head to the gated communities and just take what you need. take some firepower with you
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carolr51
12:33 PM on 12/19/2010
How so?
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mojo filter
06:26 PM on 12/17/2010
Screwed? WE'RE all screwed! The county's going down the toilet, and taking us with it!