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Bipartisan Support Building Around Three Changes To Senate Rules In New Congress


First Posted: 12/17/10 09:45 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 07:20 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats met for their second caucus meeting about reforming chamber rules Friday, beginning to converge on three changes that supporters hope will increase transparency and prevent a small minority from blocking an up-or-down vote on measures.

"This is a two-step process," Sen. Tom Udall (D-N.M.), one of the leaders of the effort, told The Huffington Post in an interview after the caucus meeting. "The first step is that we need to recognize that under the Constitution, we can...adopt rules with 51 votes and also cut off debate on rules that we want to adopt with 51 votes. ... The second step is building the consensus with 51 senators on what they want to actually be in the rules. ... And that's the tough business we're in right now."

According to Udall, bipartisan support is beginning to build around three proposals: 1) No longer allowing senators to filibuster the motion to proceed and instead allow a set amount of time for debate, 2) ending secret holds, and 3) stopping filibustering senators from hiding behind quorum calls and forcing them to speak up if they're blocking a bill.

Republican Sen. Dan Coats (Ind.) has publicly supported the first measure, telling NPR in November, "I think what we need is the opportunity to debate and have an up-or-down vote on every issue. Filibustering the motion to proceed -- that is, we can't even go forward and talk about an issue without overcoming or without gaining a 60-vote majority for it -- I would support removing that provision."

"If...the goal is to have deliberation then blocking getting to debate makes no sense, and that's a very common sense thing," Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), another advocate of the reform effort, told The Huffington Post on Friday. "If 41 people vote to say they want to continue debate then forcing there to be that debate makes sense."

What could happen on this measure is that both sides of an issue would be allowed an equal amount of time for debate. After that, the legislation would move to a vote.

The second proposal has broad bipartisan support, with 66 senators signing a letter pledging "no secret holds on legislation or nominations."

"The third thing is to really require people, if they're going to filibuster, to speak up. Don't hide behind the quorum calls. The American people understand a filibuster to be what it was in 'Mr. Smith Goes To Washington,'" said Udall. "If you are opposed to some direction the Senate is moving in, you're entitled to speak, you come out to speak, try to rouse your constituents, try to rouse the American people."

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa) told The Huffington Post's Sam Stein to expect "fireworks" on Jan. 5, 2011, the day on which the Senate can, he argued, revamp its rules by a simple majority vote.

"[Former Sen.] Robert Byrd in 1975, the last time that we changed the rules and [brought the filibuster threshold] from 67 [votes] down to 60, actually stated on the floor that a majority, 51 senators, could change the rules," said Harkin. "And that's what we intend to do and that is what we are working on right now. We are coming on the fifth to basically send a motion to the vice president...that will change the rules and there is a procedure to provide 51 votes to do that. Robert Byrd said that in 1975 and that's what we are going to try to do."

Udall stressed that no consensus has been reached yet, and he expects "a very strong discussion over the next two weeks until we reach Jan. 5." Democratic senators are also reaching out to Republicans to get more support for the changes.

Ryan Grim contributed reporting.

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WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats met for their second caucus meeting about reforming chamber rules Friday, beginning to converge on three changes that supporters hope will increase transparency and prev...
WASHINGTON -- Senate Democrats met for their second caucus meeting about reforming chamber rules Friday, beginning to converge on three changes that supporters hope will increase transparency and prev...
 
 
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lindaj3884
01:05 AM on 12/20/2010
No person or party should be able to bring the country to a halt and stop every bill. It is time to fix the fillibuster. The Senate is broken and unless the fillibuster and secret holds are fixed there is nothing to look forward to but gridlock.
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PolicyWonkette
06:23 PM on 12/19/2010
The secret hold is a no-brainer. Why should one senatorial "king" be allowed to thwart the business of the entire country.

I've been thinking about the filibuster, and I'm wondering if it might be better to say it can be used by the minority only twice a year, or three times a year. That way, the minority still has the ability to block something truly egregious, but it has to pick its battles carefully.

At any rate this is good news. When people realize that the senate actually works on bills instead of sending them into a black hole -- they might actually pay more attention to the candidates who want their votes.
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soisay
Angry? Scared? Thank a Republican.
09:21 PM on 12/19/2010
Limiting the number of times will just require the majority (think Republicans possibly) to create hundreds of unacceptable bills, requiring Dem filibuster in some future session.

Ending filibuster BEFORE debate is American. Requiring filibusters to talk, not be passive "not vote Yes" is American. Don't get me started on Secret Holds.
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PolicyWonkette
08:36 AM on 12/20/2010
They can't create hundreds of unacceptable bills because those bills won't pass -- they won't have the votes.

I still like the idea.
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msbeal
Let no neo-con lie go unchallenged
08:43 AM on 12/20/2010
Come on people. What are we afraid of. Dump once and for all the whole concept of filibuster. So what if a future Republican administration gains from it.

With the elegant majority rule in effect what ever is done can just as easily be undone. No other legislative body on earth has this ridiculous rule.

Even at the local level where in some states they raised the requirements to raise taxes to 2/3 vote all it's accomplished is plugging the system up with lethargy and unresponsiveness.

Dump it, I say, and let whomever is in power take the full heat for what ever they do.
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PolicyWonkette
08:50 AM on 12/20/2010
I think it's been useful in the past to prevent some really egregious legislation. In its current form, it's ridiculous, I'll give you that.
04:42 PM on 12/19/2010
An important step to allow for legislative traction and transparency. It gives the Senate majority (whichever party may hold it a particular time) to have the power to take action - as orginally intended.
However, it would have been helpful in this article to discuss in greater detail why the 67 went down to 60 in the 70's.
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mdmccormick
I am tired of this BS
03:34 PM on 12/19/2010
It's a start
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sdmcmla
02:20 PM on 12/19/2010
So Democrats want to hange ths Senate rules when Republicans control the House and are poised to take over the Senate in 2012?  Typical Democrats, a day late and a dollar short.  That's Democratic strategery, I guess. 
06:50 AM on 12/20/2010
And 2 more years of complete gridlock is beneficial to the country how? Typical Democrats, trying to fix a broken system to get things done for the people.
02:26 PM on 12/23/2010
I think the point was, they should have done this two years ago, so supermajority-supported policies like the public option and immigration reform didn't get undemocratically killed procedurally .
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Quitcherbichin
If you are posting here, thank a veteran.
02:19 PM on 12/19/2010
Don't hold your breath until the 60 vote fillibuster rule is abolished...that a'int gonna happen.
06:52 AM on 12/20/2010
Leave the filibuster, just don't allow it to be used to stop legislation from being debated. The intent of the filibuster was always to extend debate and to keep the majority from ending debate without the minority getting it's say in. It was never intended to stop debate before it even reached the floor, that's been a sneaky back room republican abuse of the system.
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Quitcherbichin
If you are posting here, thank a veteran.
11:11 AM on 12/20/2010
It won't be changed because BOTH parties like it.
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tacevad
American SS Card Carrying Socialist
11:18 AM on 12/19/2010
If the democratic senate does not make these changes I can pretty much guarantee the next Republican one will.
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sdmcmla
02:21 PM on 12/19/2010
They will indeed, and the GOOPers will make the change when they control both the House and the Senate, so they can ge their things done.
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PolicyWonkette
06:25 PM on 12/19/2010
It's too bad these changes weren't made in time for this current session to be more productive. Even though it was one of the most productive sessions in history, too many bills passed by the House went nowhere in the senate. And too many good policies were compromised because GOP obstruction prevented the body from voting on measures supported by the majority of the American people.
06:54 AM on 12/20/2010
They won't need nor want the change if they control both houses will they.
06:53 AM on 12/20/2010
No they won't, they are well aware that they will be in the minority again sometime and will want to keep any legislation from happening just as they have for the past 2 years. The repubs don't want to fix this, they are the ones who figured out how to abuse it.
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den1953
The National Inquire of Politics the GOP!
10:30 AM on 12/19/2010
The whole rule should have been pushed to have a honest filibuster and kept the Senators their until it was broken if it took a half of year to break it and let the American people question why nothing was getting done, after a few of those antics the filibuster would have been a thing of the past.......
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Cthulhu On Call
As soon as I'm done with my nap, you're all in tro
05:00 AM on 12/19/2010
They should've done this two years ago.
10:38 AM on 12/19/2010
You got that right! What was Harry Reid thinking in January 2009? Did he really think that the Repubs would cooperate in helping the country?
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Cthulhu On Call
As soon as I'm done with my nap, you're all in tro
12:43 AM on 12/20/2010
I think that the Tea Baggers and Conservatives actually scared them a bit. They went to town hall meetings and screamed at them that "god will judge them" if they pass universal health care. I'm sure they flooded their offices with nasty letters and emails. Honestly, I think the reaction of the far right took them by surprise, and they actually feared doing anything that would lend credence to their paranoid hysteria.
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sdmcmla
02:22 PM on 12/19/2010
If they had, they would not have lost so badly and we would have gotten some decent laws passed.  Now Democrats are screwed, and America is toast.
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TheRagingModerate
12:17 AM on 12/19/2010
Yeah, great. Today's Dem-controlled Senate will kick around these new "weaken-the-minority" rule changes for the next yr and a half, and then pass them just as they hand over their razor-thin majority to the GOP in 2012. Take it to the bank.
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cindyfromfalls
progressive disappointed with the dems
07:35 AM on 12/19/2010
I really think this was the republicans plan all along......
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soisay
Angry? Scared? Thank a Republican.
09:25 PM on 12/19/2010
The top-secret double-reverse inside-outside upside down GOP strategy? Right.

If the GOP gets a 51+ majority in 2012 (big if) and they use that majority on 1/5/13 to rewrite the rules again for no filibuster whatsoever (goodby Mr Smith goes to Washington), look for the pendulum to swing and the Democrats to eventually take the Senate back over and use it against them, if there is a country left.

Ending passive filibusters and filibusters on motions to proceed seem very reasonable, and not undoing the senate as "saucer".
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sdmcmla
02:23 PM on 12/19/2010
Yep.
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Shaun Dawson
09:34 PM on 12/18/2010
These 3 rule changes just make sense. They return majority rule to the Senate. Most of the debacle that was the 2006-2008 session of Congress was due to Republican obstruction in the Senate. These rules would hold those who have problems with certain bills accountable, especially when attempting to use the filibuster. These rules would also significantly shorten the debate time on many bills, allowing more work to be done in the Senate.
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Shaun Dawson
09:37 PM on 12/18/2010
Of course I meant the 2008-2010 session of Congress!
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Shaun Dawson
09:42 PM on 12/18/2010
Of course I meant the 2008-2010 Congress!
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
09:10 PM on 12/18/2010
"Both sides of an issue would be allowed an equal amount of time for debate. After that, the legislation would move to a vote."

Oh NO ... how horrible, don't do it ... aaaahhhhh
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Father Tom
CPA, VietNam Vet, Not a Priest
09:09 PM on 12/18/2010
No activity on this site. About 400X as many posts on the Palin-hater/Fox News/teabagger entries. This is important stuff that could change the future of our government. Even the post below is obviously mis-posted.

Very telling.
07:21 PM on 12/18/2010
The side effects of this will be interesting to see:
Military Academy's and how they change (two to a room).
When will the first same-sex spouse get a dependent ID card?
The first openly gay commanding officer--or general officer.
08:35 PM on 12/18/2010
not really a big deal, sorry.
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
09:12 PM on 12/18/2010
relax, you might enjoy it.
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06:53 PM on 12/18/2010
Congress can fix itself on January 5th

Once every 2 years on the first day of the new Senate there is an opportunity for the senators to change the rules of the Senate and get rid of rules like the filibuster that allow the minority to rule over the majority. On January 5th on a simple majority vote they could choose to end the abuses of power that has caused the People to despise Congress so much.

The Democrats have the votes to make it happen, but it would end their power to abuse the system if they should become a minority. You would think however with Republican gains that Republicans might be in favor of change as well and maybe some Republicans might help vote in the rule changes. No matter how it happens it is a change that is necessary. We need to end rules that keep the will of the people from being held hostage.
RealistBC
Micro-bios must pass muster.
07:22 PM on 12/18/2010
I still like Harkin's modifications better than any other option right now. What it does is put into place a process by which the number of votes necessary for cloture reduces each day the filibuster is conducted. This allows the voice of the minority to be heard without surrendering total control to one party or the other.

Under these circumstances, I believe that it deserves a trial before the GOP has a chance to take control of the Senate. It might also save the Democratic majority if they can produce useful legislation under this method.