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Ireland Credit Rating Slashed To 3 Grades Above Junk

SHAWN POGATCHNIK   12/17/10 09:36 AM ET   AP

Ireland Credit Rating

DUBLIN — Moody's slashed Ireland's credit rating five notches on Friday and warned of further downgrades if the country cannot regain command of its debts and tame its deficit.

Dietmar Hornung, the senior Ireland analyst for Moody's, said it remained an open question whether Ireland could sharply reduce its deficit from its eurozone-record levels while taking tens of billions from a new EU-IMF bailout fund.

Hornung lauded Ireland's deficit-fighting plan to impose euro10 billion ($13 billion) in cuts and euro5 billion in tax increases by 2014 – but nonetheless cautioned that pulling so much money out of an already fragile economy "represents a further considerable drag on the country's recovery prospects."

Moody's dropped Ireland's rating to Baa1 – just three steps above junk-bond status – in a move similar to last week's BBB+ downgrade by rival ratings agency Fitch. The other major agency, Standard & Poor's, cut Ireland two notches to A on Nov. 23 and is expected to drop its grade further in coming days.

While Fitch has put Ireland on a stable outlook, meaning no further downgrades are expected, Hornung said Moody's was keeping Ireland on a negative outlook because it sees more negatives than positives in Ireland's future.

He said Ireland remained vulnerable to further dud-loan shocks in its banks, which invested hundreds of billions in foreign borrowings on Ireland's runaway property market during the Celtic Tiger boom of 1994-2007 – and has suffered catastrophic losses since the market collapsed in 2008.

Ireland that year imposed a blanket guarantee on all Irish banks' debt obligations in a failed effort to keep their funding streams healthy. Ireland has since been forced to nationalize or take major equity stakes in five of the six insured banks – and funded bailouts estimated to total euro50 billion ($65 billion) – as unconvinced investors continued pulling their money out of the banks.

The European Central Bank on Friday agreed a temporary swap facility with the Bank of England that would allow it to provide up to 10 billion pounds ($15.6 billion) in liquidity to Irish banks that might need immediate access to the U.K. currency. The British and Irish financial systems are highly exposed to each other.

Ireland's bailout loan agreement reached Nov. 28 in Dublin with the European Union and International Monetary Fund will provide the government a credit line of up to euro67.5 billion ($90 billion) at interest rates averaging 5.8 percent. EU and IMF regulators also permitted Ireland to redeploy euro17.5 billion from its own cash and pension reserves, taking the total bailout figure to euro85 billion.

Hornung estimated that the extra debt financing would drive Ireland's national debt to a peak of 140 percent of gross domestic product in 2013, compared to 66 percent in 2009. That figure is higher than the debt-to-GDP forecasts of many economists.

Investors dumped Irish bonds Friday on news of the downgrade. The yield on 10-year Irish bonds rose to 8.4 percent, a two-week high.

Shares in Ireland's three listed banks – Allied Irish, Bank of Ireland, and Irish Life & Permanent – fell 5.5 percent, 8 percent and 2.8 percent, respectively.

Ireland plans to take euro10 billion from the EU-IMF fund immediately to boost the cash reserves at Dublin's five state-supported banks. It has earmarked euro50 billion more to finance its deficit spending through 2014, while the remaining euro25 billion will be kept on standby for further bank-bailout activity.

Ireland has a 2010 deficit of 32 percent of GDP, a post-war European record, but hopes its austerity plans will achieve a reduction to 3 percent by 2014. European officials, skeptical of Irish growth forecasts, already have extended the deadline to 2015 for Ireland to get back to 3 percent, the debt ceiling that eurozone members are supposed to observe.

The European Central Bank pressed Ireland to take an international bailout because Ireland's banks in recent months have grown unsustainably reliant on short-term loans from the ECB. Irish borrowing from the Frankfurt bank surged in the summer after Ireland's initial bank-debt guarantee expired and was replaced by an insurance system that offered less protection to some bondholders.

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DUBLIN — Moody's slashed Ireland's credit rating five notches on Friday and warned of further downgrades if the country cannot regain command of its debts and tame its deficit. Dietmar Hornung,...
DUBLIN — Moody's slashed Ireland's credit rating five notches on Friday and warned of further downgrades if the country cannot regain command of its debts and tame its deficit. Dietmar Hornung,...
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04:51 PM on 12/19/2010
Truth be known thats probable two notches higher than America's really is.
03:52 PM on 12/19/2010
Who is next?
04:51 PM on 12/17/2010
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Skygazer
The GOTP makes a mockery of the word freedom.
01:59 PM on 12/17/2010
So Moody's and Fitch have credibility at this point??

Aren't those the same agencies that gave triple A ratings to worthless derivatives that required a taxpayer bailout of 800 Billion to the banks and Goldman Sachs and so on. That industry of integrity and wisdom?

Ireland, not to worry, if those ratings agency's downrate you, it's probably means the complete opposite.
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sueinmn
12:14 PM on 12/17/2010
The rich will be notified well in advance before the big crash to be protected while the rest of us are left in the dark to lose all investments and retirements. It will happen but when? Insiders will be protected.
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sueinmn
12:15 PM on 12/17/2010
Who knows government (ours) may just pull this off so they do not have to pay back all the underfunded pensions they now owe all government workers) I put NOTHING past this government these days as crooks and criminals drive the land of the free into extinction.
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sueinmn
12:10 PM on 12/17/2010
We carry more debt than we can ever dream of paying off yet we can afford wars and bases world wide. Go figure!
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
04:20 PM on 12/18/2010
See FairShareTaxes.Org....We need wealth taxes to dig ourselves out of the mess......After all benefitted from those tax cuts......The increase in the Wealth over the last 30 years (of the top 1% )is just about equal to the deficit accrued over the last 30 years.....AND NOW THEY WANT SS money...
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MontanaBanana
I've had it trying to reason with the GOP
12:05 PM on 12/17/2010
Geez-----Not enough sleep last night: http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?g­eature=pla­yer _embedded&v­=koY6kXhQD­o
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MontanaBanana
I've had it trying to reason with the GOP
12:02 PM on 12/17/2010
http://www­.youtube.c­om/watch?g­eature=pla­yerembedded&v­=koY6kXhQD­o

I don't know if the previous link worked. Sorry!
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MontanaBanana
I've had it trying to reason with the GOP
12:01 PM on 12/17/2010
Maybe this will explain how the Irish really feel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?geature=player embedded&v=koY6kXhQDo
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
11:59 AM on 12/17/2010
THE US ECONOMIC FUTURE IS SIMILAR TO IRELAND'S

The freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds that the US government printed on fresh paper and then sold to people in industrialized nations HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE, except that they can be used to purchase (are redeemable for) title to privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, breweries, refineries, forests, ports, breweries, refineries, and other privately owned assets located in the USA that were created by previous US generations instead of redeeming these US dollars with Gold from Ft. Knox.

tHE usa is running out of assets that foreigners can buy with their freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds and US dollars, so the US government borrowing "power" will disappear and we will have to start producing the things that we need so support our lives.

After the industrial foreign entities have exchanged their freshly printed paper US Dollars and Bonds for title to everything of value in the USA, these foreign industrial entities will not buy any more of these freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds, or they will only pay a tiny fraction of a penny on the dollar for these freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds.

This will cause the US dollar to lose all of its purchasing power, and then your life savings in US dollars might only last you a few weeks, and your weekly paycheck might not buy one loaf of bread, and even the Billionaires assets will only last them a few months!
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
12:10 PM on 12/17/2010
If US government borrowing (actually printing and selling newly issued paper US Treasury Bonds) to pay government expenses that are in excess of the tax collections continues at the present rate, then the US dollar purchasing value will diminish to a tiny percentage of today's exchange rate related to other (industrialized nation's) currencies, and the Chinese Yuan might be the "last man standing" with any value for use in international business transactions.

The day will come when there will be (almost) nothing of value left in the USA to sell to foreigners, and then the USA will then have to re-industrialize because foreigners will then no longer accept freshly printed US Dollars or freshly printed US Treasury Bonds as currency to pay the foreigners in the industrialized countries to work and make the things that US citizens (want to) consume.

At that time, the USA will probably have no remaining assets to sell to industrialized foreigners in order to raise US dollars for any kind of re-industrialization of the USA by selling existing US assets that were created by previous US generations.

The USA is selling our children's legacy, including title to most all of the US wealth that previous generations worked for and accumulated, in order to pay people in foreign countries to work and produce the things that US citizens consume.

This keeps the USA from re-industrializing and keeps US citizens from having US jobs to work and produce the things that US citizens consume.
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gerald4
licensed mechanical and electrical engineer
12:38 PM on 12/17/2010
I do not know why economists or anyone else could refer to or compare national (sovereign) debt as a percentage of Gross (National) Domestic Product (GDP).

This GDP has nothing to do with the ability of a nation to repay their national debt, especially if the majority of the GDP activity was US government borrowing money from wealth producing entities in the industrial nations and using this borrowed money to pay tax funded bureaucrat payrolls, state and local tax funded bureaucrat payrolls, unemployment benefits, welfare, retirement pensions, pork barrel projects, providing free medical, housing, wars, social services, pork barrel projects and other tax funded bureaucrat jobs that do not produce any national wealth that the nation could use to repay national (sovereign) debt, reduce the foreign trade deficit, or create national wealth?

The USA no longer produces much except for "Freshly Printed Toxic Financial Products" which are sold to unsuspecting foreigners, and the USA is NOT creating or accumulating any new real wealth or creating any jobs and/or making any products for US citizens' consumption.

The FDIC has had to buy back these worthless bank guaranteed instruments since the repeal of the Glass Stegall act!

"The principle of spending US dollars to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson
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drhirise
Just the facts ma'am.
11:52 AM on 12/17/2010
The parasitic capitalists can turn away from reality... run from the truth only so long... soon the bell will toll! They should have faced up to the truth, and fessed up when they had the chance. History is a pretty reliable guide to what is going ot happen now.
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pjwrites
10:50 AM on 12/17/2010
Bend over, Irish proles.

Time to pay for the sins of others.
01:49 PM on 12/17/2010
Oh well, at least it's lovely weather for it.
schatsie
banks are more dangerous than standing armies
04:22 PM on 12/18/2010
Shock Doctrine in Europe now, it was not enough that it stifled growth in South and Central America for 20 years....
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CountryBeforeParty
We are against misconduct, not against wealth
10:42 AM on 12/17/2010
Well well well... remember how corporatists were crowing about how Ireland's doing so well, and their corporate tax rate is so low, and businesses are moving operations there?

Here's the end result of that. Credit rating slashed, another bailout, and in the center of it all are the banks. Great job....
10:25 AM on 12/17/2010
Ireland should have let the bank shareholders take their medicine instead of handing their treasury over to them.
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10:17 AM on 12/17/2010
credit rating slashed by the same agency that promted confidence in the toxic assetts that put Ireland in debt, tell Moody's to ge sell crazy somewhere else, we are all sold out here.