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Amanda Knox Court Makes DNA Evidence Decision

ALESSANDRA RIZZO   12/18/10 03:23 PM ET   AP

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PERUGIA, Italy — Amanda Knox won an important victory in her appeals trial of her murder conviction in Italy on Saturday, when a court ruled that it will allow an independent review of crucial DNA evidence after defense claims that samples were inconclusive and possibly contaminated.

The lower court trial, which convicted the American student a year ago and sentenced her to 26 years in Italian prison, had rejected a similar defense request for an outside review of DNA found on the bra clasp of the victim, her British roommate Meredith Kercher, and on a knife the prosecution alleged was used in the fatal stabbing attack.

Kercher's body was found in a pool of blood on Nov. 2, 2007, her throat slit in the apartment she shared with Knox. Forensic experts said she was killed the night before.

Knox burst into tears, in a sign of a release of tension, said her stepfather Chris Mellas. "She's a happy mess," he said, smiling.

She was convicted of sexually assaulting and murdering Kercher in the rented house they shared in the university town of Perugia, where both were studying. The co-defendant in the appeals trial is her ex-boyfriend, Raffaele Sollecito, an Italian who was convicted of the same charges and sentenced to 25 years. Both deny any wrongdoing.

Prosecutors maintain that Sollecito's DNA was found on the bra clasp and that Knox's DNA was found on the knife's handle and Kercher's DNA on the blade. The defense maintains that DNA traces presented at the first trial were inconclusive and also contends they might have been contaminated when they were analyzed.

The court handed the defense another victory. It will allow several witnesses the defense hopes will refute testimony that placed Knox and Sollecito near the house on the night Kercher was killed.

Knox's mother, Edda Mellas, burst into tears of joy in the courtroom when the appeals court announced its decision. "Finally a little bit of good news," Mellas said, as Knox's family members hugged defense team lawyers.

Judge Claudio Pratillo Hellman said after 90 minutes of deliberations that the DNA evidence review was needed "to remove any reasonable doubt."

He said two independent experts, from Rome's Sapienza university, would either make new analyses of the DNA traces found, or if that isn't possible, would review the analyses that had been carried out by previous forensic experts and assess whether they are reliable.

DNA evidence was crucial in the first trial, where a clear motive did not emerge for the brutal killing.

"Finally, the trial can begin," said Luca Maori, an attorney for Sollecito. "After three years, we have scored our first important victory."

A Knox defense attorney, Luciano Ghirga, called the ruling Saturday "a significant step" and "a victory not for one side, but for the truth."

The experts will be formally assigned the task of the review at the trial's next session, on Jan. 15.

The court said it might decide at a later stage to allow other witnesses sought by the defense.

The court rejected several of the defense requests, including for new tests on Sollecito's computer related to the young man's alibi for the night of the slaying.

Francesco Maresca, a lawyer for the Kercher family who had opposed the review, said that "if the court has any remaining doubts, it does well to try to remove them."

"And now we'll see what these experts will conclude," he told reporters at the end of the hearing.

The review will take at least 30 days, and with new witnesses being heard, the trial is expected to go until next spring.

In seeking the new witnesses, the defense is seeking to refute testimony in the first trial from Antonio Curatolo, a homeless man who said he had seen Knox and Sollecito chatting on a basketball court near the apartment house the night Kercher was killed.

The defense insists his testimony was unreliable and hopes the new witnesses, who operate buses and discos in the area, will prove him wrong.

Prosecutors also appealed the lower court's verdict in hopes of winning stiffer sentences.

Saturday's hearing was held two days after Italy's highest criminal court upheld the conviction and 16-year-prison sentence of the third person charged with the murder, Rudy Hermann Guede of the Ivory Coast. Guede has admitted being at the house the night of the murder but denies killing Kercher.

He was tried separately. The high court's ruling, which cannot be appealed, is significant because it states that Guede took part in the slaying but did not act alone, prosecutors and lawyers said.

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01:05 PM on 12/22/2010
THE MURDER WEAPON THAT WASN'T.

This is a reply to Australia33. (cbs news)

We have watch the video that you are promoting, and we are not Impress, the knife referred to in this video "IS NOT" I repeat "IS NOT" the Murder weapon.

2 Coroners, Mr Francesco Introna, and Mr Carlo Torre, have testified in court, and both agreed, that the murder weapon had a blade of no more than 3 to 3 1/2 inches in length.

The knife that you are promoting is 6 1/2 inches long, and was taken out of a drawer following a hunch by a Perugian detective, because it looked clean.

Patrizia Stephanoni, Italian police forensic expert, testified in court that this knife tested NEGATIVE for blood, that is important because Blood is much more difficult to remove or clean than DNA.

In other words,if a particular object was allegedly soaked in blood, then thoroughly cleaned so as to completely remove all traces of blood, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to find DNA on it. DNA being very easy to clean as compared with removing blood.

Thus: The only way that anyones DNA can be found on this blade is by contamination.

This case is riddled with hunches,theories,wild assumptions, lies, Innuendos, and Misleading videos. WHERE ARE THE FACTS?

Amichi Italiani join us to fight this Injustice "Investigate Mignini now"
11:29 AM on 12/22/2010
Its nice to see there is a British paper willing to admit that this whole trial has been a farce with a prosecution whose attitude is, “When the facts didn’t fit, they just made it up.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/8209964/Amanda-Knox-She-realises-that-innocence-is-not-enough.html

As they concluded:
The appeal will not just be an examination of Amanda Knox but of the Italian judicial system and its ability to produce a verdict which stands the test of scrutiny.
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dim
one in a can
11:38 PM on 12/21/2010
I'd like to ask the posters who are convinced of Knox's guilt as to the motive. The prosecution failed to establish one, yet in a murder, by definition, there is always a motive. What's your theory?
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SeriouslySarah
09:04 AM on 12/22/2010
1. Meredith complained about the way A didn't clean house. 2. M didn't like the men A brought to the house. Etc. It doesn't take much to make someone angry.
11:30 AM on 12/22/2010
Absolutely those are typically the sorts of fights that lead to one woman holding another woman down by the neck while a friend rapes her and then slits her throat. Its a good thing she hadn't left out socks otherwise Amanda would have had to dismember her.
mothergrace
If they knock you down, bite 'em on the ankle.
12:17 PM on 12/22/2010
Are you saying that in the heat of the moment Knox, along with several other people, killed Kercher and one of the men raped her too because they argued over housecleaning?

Or, are you saying that Knox, angry at Kercher, planned this brutal murder because Kercher argued with her about housecleaning and men?

Either way is ridiculous, especially since no DNA of Knox's was found on the body or in the room.
overcat
My micro-bio is so full, it's bursting at the seam
07:15 PM on 12/23/2010
Any crime has a motive, however discerning a motive isn't essential to conviction.
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dim
one in a can
08:46 PM on 12/23/2010
The motive is not necessary for a conviction, but I'd say it's pretty essential and goes a long way towards removing reasonable doubt. Anyway, that wasn't my original point, which is that the motive must exist (at least for a murder as opposed to say manslaughter). What's your theory?
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
10:53 PM on 12/21/2010
Amanda initially lied to authorities because she had gotten "stoned" the night before and was confused.

Amanda lied to police during the first interviews because she was so nervous and so scared.

Amanda accused an innocent man during her later interviews because the police tricked her into it.

Amanda confessed to participation in the murder because a policeman (one she cannot name, identify or recall) hit her on the head and so she wrote a 4-page confession.

Amanda is either a murderer or the most unlucky person on the planet.
12:40 AM on 12/22/2010
She lied once under duress, that's when she named the innocent person. What lies did she tell "initially"? What lies did she tell in the first interviews? And she never wrote a confession, she wrote a 4 page document recanting her claim about the innocent person had committed the murder. Essentially recanting testimony gained by torture. Fairly standard.
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SeriouslySarah
09:06 AM on 12/22/2010
According to her boyfriend, she lied about spending the night with him. He said, she didn't.
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SeriouslySarah
09:05 AM on 12/22/2010
I'm going to go with the first choice in your last sentence.
08:04 PM on 01/05/2011
How come there is no evidence against Amanda (and lots of evidence that Guede did it alone)???
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greenskeeper
Action is eloquence.
07:53 PM on 12/21/2010
The problem for Foxy Knoxy is that she said she was with her boyfriend all night. She tied herself to him. Then the DNA evidence proved her boyfriend took part in the murder. So Amanda is lying that she was with her boyfriend all night, or lying about being part of the murder. Either way, she was doomed to be judged guilty because a normal person would have called 9-1-1 immediately and not have been involved at all.
08:03 PM on 12/21/2010
That's an argument for obstruction of justice, not murder. The standard should not be "I can't think of a good reason not to believe she was involved".
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
11:01 PM on 12/21/2010
I can't think of any reason a murderer would stick around after his crime to move the dead body, clean certain parts of the room but not others, break a window to make it appear that someone broke in, cover the corpse, and spend time otherwise re-arranging parts of the crime scene. Police immediately established that the killers knew the victim.
08:10 PM on 12/21/2010
-- What reason does an innocent person have to obstruct a murder investigat­ion?

You asked this below. There could be lots of reasons. An obvious one was that she was sleeping with one of the people involved and was covering for him. Another one was that she was busy committing another crime, like using or buying drugs.

Another possibility is that she got confused under duress. She's been pretty clear that she was struck repeatedly in the back of the head. That would induce all sorts of confusion and disjointed communication. Its also shockingly dangerous, even if you approve of "tuning up" suspects that's especially unsafe.

Of course the big thing is, it doesn't matter. If the only thing the can prove is lying then she does time for obstruction not murder.
overcat
My micro-bio is so full, it's bursting at the seam
05:51 AM on 12/23/2010
Has it been established that "...she was struck repeatedly in the back of the head"?
05:42 PM on 12/21/2010
I thought of an analogy. About 10 years ago there was an Italian Derek Rocco Barnabei. He was an alleged rapist who killed his girlfriend. Good looking kid with a nice mother. The Italians including the Pope thought he was innocent and protested. Virginia executed him. He got a first class trial but there was some misconduct by the prosecutor as this case became an international incident.

Italy flew his body back and erected a memorial.
Anyway here is a link about the case. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines/082000-03.htm

Well I guess turnabout is fair play. As long as Amanda rots in an Italian jail I really don't want to hear from Italy about their complaints with US justice. I still can't believe Italy is going to se "she contradicted herself" as the main point of evidence for murder. "Well she got disoriented and said contradictory things while being hit in the head" I guess that means she must be a murder, its not like innocent people don't respond to head trauma badly.

As a further aside, even at the worse of the renditions program where we were tearing muscles out of people's bodies there were no allegations that the US used torture to the head, its far far too dangerous. People can die during interrogations from hitting them in the back of the head.
overcat
My micro-bio is so full, it's bursting at the seam
05:57 AM on 12/23/2010
So much of your point takes as fact that Knox was beaten. There is no proof that anything like that occurred. That Knox said so isn't proof.
09:38 AM on 12/23/2010
Then how do you explain disorientation. Her strange action in the police stations. Her disjointed diary. Her sexual antics. Heck if you accept the prosecution, the murder itself.

This is the problem with the case, they never actually proved much about the murder.
12:53 PM on 12/23/2010
There may not be any proof Knox was beaten (although we can't say for sure because the slander trial hasn't happened yet). But Patrick Lumumba also claims to have been beaten by the exact same police force. Was Lumumba lying, too? Or do the Perugian police only beat black men? What of all the other people who claim to have been beaten by Italian police? Are they all lying, just because the cops don't leave a bunch of proof around to demonstrate their misdeeds? Let's also remember that Amanda claimed she was hit in her written statement, made the very day after the interrogation. She claimed she was hit before she was ever even officially charged with anything. She claimed she was hit even while she was still trying to co-operate with the police, and even excused their behavior because they were under pressure and wanted to find the killer.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
03:11 PM on 12/21/2010
It's not the crime, it's the cover-up.

Among her many self-serving and often contradictory lies, Amanda at one point falsely accused an innocent Black man of murdering her roommate. The oh-so inept local police were able to fully clear that man because, unlike Amanda, he had an alibi.

I wonder if all these arm chair defense attorneys would be so adoring if -- instead of a pretty, young White woman -- the suspect was the large Black man Amanda lied about. Would these folks allege police beat a four-page written "false confession" out of the poor little liar?

For the record: Amanda never actually confessed to the murder. She wasn't THAT confused! Amanda merely admitted to being there during the murder, but insisted she did not participate directly in the killing and said she fled the apartment with the killers afterward.

"I had to cover my ears because she was screaming."

That's not a false confession. That's a lie, and a very instructive one.

Despite all of the supposed police brutality -- in different interviews over the course of a week -- Amanda never confessed to arranging the corpse and staging the crime scene, which is what the evidence conclusively proves she did. Amanda told police her roommate's door was locked when she arrived. Amanda said she never entered the room. The DNA says otherwise.
03:57 PM on 12/21/2010
-- Amanda at one point falsely accused an innocent Black man of murdering her roommate.

Under duress people usually accuse other people of committing crimes. You got false statements from witnesses you are threatening or hitting regularly. She immediately recanted once she was out of the room.

Amanda Knox did not handle a murder interrogation well in many respects. That's makes her a lousy candidate for a high stress job not a murder.

-- Amanda said she never entered the room. The DNA says otherwise.

Huh? How could DNA possibly establish when she entered or didn't enter a room? She lived there, which means she coughed, pissed, defecated, shed skin menstruated all over that house. Her DNA should be everywhere. DNA can tie specific body fluids to her, like "that's her blood". But the presence of DNA doesn't mean much.
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Footwarrior
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05:32 PM on 12/21/2010
If Amanda walked into Filomena's room with bare feet, it would have left traces of Amanda's DNA on the floor. The forensic tests can't tell if the DNA was deposited when the crime occurred or a week earlier.
03:59 PM on 12/21/2010
-- I wonder if all these arm chair defense attorneys would be so adoring if -- instead of a pretty, young White woman -- the suspect was the large Black man Amanda lied about. Would these folks allege police beat a four-page written "false confession­" out of the poor little liar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumia_Abu-Jamal I heard about that BS case for a decade. I just checked the link and its still going on.
12:14 PM on 12/21/2010
God bless Meredith Kercher and her Family, for this irreparable, Tragic loss ... Our prayers goes to you!

Hi There Everyone! Enough is Enough! this Farce has been going on for far too long,Amanda Knox is Totally innocent of this Horrendous crime.

The Italian Prosecutor in this case, Giuliano Mignini has already been convicted for abusing his Power in another case.

The Perugian authorities, under his leadership, have masterfully used the media for 3 years now, to denigrate, and to "Frame" this Italy loving young lady, with stories of perverse, sexual, satanist, drug induced, (pot mind you) ritual killing I am tired of it already, Utter Nonsense, Backed by no credible evidence that such event ever Happened.

Mignini's Malicious manipulations of the media in this case, should be investigated from day one, he is now using Slander charges against anyone, and everyone, to silence them.

This case is a Blight to Justice all over the World. Join us to Fight this Injustice! Join us if you Love your Daughters!

Remember: Amanda could have been your Innocent Daughter!

No DNA at the Crime Scene= no case, I Repeat, No dna at the Crime Scene= No Case.

"Absence of Evidence is Evidence of Absence"(Steve Moore FBI)

Amici Italiani join us to fight this Injustice, Investigate Mignini now!

Disclaimer: we do not know, have never met,and have never been in touch with the Knox or Mellas family, we are merely very concerned with this Ignominy.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
03:18 PM on 12/21/2010
This isn't the lovely young lady's first brush with the law. Nor was it the first time Amanda smoked pot. Even if it had been, smoking pot doesn't disorient and confuse you to the point where the next day you would still be unclear about whether or not you killed your roommate.
09:06 PM on 12/21/2010
As if a noise complaint from a college party amounted to a brush with the law.

And having the Italians hit you on the head until you say what they want you to say can result in the confusion you mention.
08:40 AM on 12/21/2010
AFAIKT:

1) Amanda Knox is guilty of conspiracy after the fact and obstruction of justice.
2) The prosecution has tainted this case by withholding evidence from defense, improper interrogation procedures, denying her contact with the U.S. consular officer...
3) They Italian prosecution has never established a plausible motive.
4) Amanda Knox does not handle stress well and engages in inappropriate responses to it. That proves she was stressed, it does not prove she was a murderer. And it disproves that she is a psychopath.
5) It is absolutely true that people are doing time for less evidence than this. However that doesn't make it right regarding the case at hand.

I don't want to hold other countries to our standards but she should be convicted on the lesser charges that Italian government can prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

I will say that I am shocked that so many people on HP have no problems with:
a) The use of physical coercion to get a defendant to contradict previous statements
b) Withholding evidence from the defense
c) Tainting juries
d) Implausible theories of the crime
e) Interrogation techniques designed to provoke false confessions.
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jackbutler5555
02:09 PM on 12/21/2010
Would you develop Number 1?
02:35 PM on 12/21/2010
At least in America (and I don't know Italian law) a person doesn't need to answer questions but once they have answered them they do have to be truthful. She's given vague and incorrect answers to many questions. She's changed her story. She's refused to answer questions about things she knows. It also appears she covered up some evidence.

The lies and disproven things are what have gotten her in this mess.
09:08 PM on 12/21/2010
"1) Amanda Knox is guilty of conspiracy after the fact and obstructio­n of justice."

Balderdash! It is hardly her fault that the Italians hit her until she said what they wanted to hear.
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06:29 AM on 12/21/2010
I know how to get Amanda out of prison, 100% effective. Not that I approve of this, believing in indipendent justice, but this is the way it would work.

Have Hillary formally tell Berlusconi the judges side with the communists in the govt, plotting against the good relationship between the countries. He couldn't dream of a better occasion to attack the High Court and strenghten his position.

Then in 6 months you will have a law passed in the italian parliament, that tourists from Nato countries can't be trialed with just the kind of evidence Amanda has against there.
05:53 AM on 12/21/2010
Knox claimed in the note that there were three people in the cottage when Meredith was killed: herself, Raffaele Sollecito and Diya Lumumba.

The DNA and footprint evidence appear to corroborat­e Knox’s claim that she and Sollecito were at the cottage. It also confirms that a third person was involved in Meredith’s murder.

It was testified that Knox also revealed other accurate details about Meredith’s murder before the results of the autopsy were made public. She told witnesses on 2 November that Meredith had died “in slow agony”.

Mr Mignini asked Knox on 17 December 2007 how she could possibly have known this if she was not actually there. Knox began to cry, and refused to answer the question.

Knox also claimed that she heard Meredith screaming, and screaming was reported by two of the witnesses, Nara Capezalli and Antonella Monacchia. Each testified that they heard a loud scream on the night Meredith was murdered.
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Footwarrior
Progressive Apparatchik
07:02 AM on 12/21/2010
I have seen this tactic before. Spam the discussion forum with multiple lists of false and misleading "facts". Keep your source for the cut and paste operation secret. If any claim is challenged, just repeat the claim instead of providing evidence to back it up. The goal is to dominate the forum rather than to participate in a discussion.
07:13 AM on 12/21/2010
Knox and Sollecito were arrested in large part because of what they said under duress by interrogation of the prosecutor, Giuliano Mignini. After being questioned all night without an attorney or a profession al translator, Knox said some things in response to a series of hypothetic al questions. This was initially trumpeted as a contradict ion, or worst – a confession . A higher court later threw out the most damning statements . (NY Times, June 10, 2009)

Cat, you need to take another laxative. How many times are you going to drag out this dead horse? It's like you're on some kind of obfuscation campaign. You need to read up on Giuliano Mignini.
05:24 AM on 12/21/2010
Odd. Her face features resembling of Amelia Earhart.

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/229576/thumbs/s-EARHART-large300.jpg
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
09:46 PM on 12/20/2010
This is just like the absurd OJ trial. Just because the Italian authorities have made some terrible mistakes in the case doesn't mean Amanda is innocent of murder. For someone accused of such a horrific crime, she certainly doesn't act very innocent. Her behavior and her facial expressions are inconsistent with a totally innocent person who had no part in this vicious and violent crime.

And for the record, she barely knew her beloved "boyfriend," and had only met him a few weeks prior to the killing.

I can't swear that she's guilty, but the circumstantial evidence against Amanda is overwhelming. I'm not just talking about the cartwheels and the kissing -- I'm talking about the ever-evolving string of self-serving lies she told authorities.
10:17 PM on 12/20/2010
the actual evidence of prosecutor abuse is even greater. whatever limited rights are given to those arrested in that country were not given this girl.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
10:27 PM on 12/20/2010
I heard enough about Amanda's rights. I can easily turn your phrase around.

Whatever limited responsibilities she had, as a new guest in a foreign country, were dismissed by this girl.

She even dismissed the gravity and horror of a murder in her own apartment. Even as police are questioning her about her dead roommate, she is making up lies about how she saw someone else stab her friend.

The prosecutor is crazy. No doubt. But this prosecutor had nothing to do with Amanda going back to the police station -- a week after the killing -- and telling even more insane lies.
05:36 AM on 12/21/2010
Whi9ch rights are you referring to?

she actually was treated much much better in the italian justice system than she would have been in the U.S.

Read the facts and stop spouting nonsense!
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Footwarrior
Progressive Apparatchik
10:23 PM on 12/20/2010
Amanda told a consistent story of spending the night at her boyfriends. A witness testified that she was there on the evening of the murder.

During an all night interrogation session, while she was in an exhausted, sleep deprived and confused state, with the police falsely claiming they had evidence placing her at the scene and suggesting she had blacked out the crime, Amanda told a different story. A day later, she was back to the original story.

It wasn't an evolving story, it was a rather classic coerced false confession.
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
10:33 PM on 12/20/2010
There was nothing classic about Amanda's lies. She told several different versions of her story, and when directly pressed on her lies, claimed the police had brutalized her. That too was a lie.

Also please note that Amanda's alibi did not match that of her precious "boyfriend." (A man she had known for less than a month.) They had two different stories. Neither of them mentioned going to a store to buy cleaning supplies.
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07:29 PM on 12/20/2010
This is good news.
I hope they admit the evidence from the real killers cellmate as well.
05:37 AM on 12/21/2010
"Real killers"?
Based on one child murderer's story?

Are you kidding?
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jackbutler5555
02:31 PM on 12/21/2010
Normally, I would dismiss a cell mate's testimony.  After all, the cell mate is usually working with the prosecutor to get a sentence reduction.

But not in this case.  What can that cell mate gain from this?

His written report was signed on every page by the other two cell mates.
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06:49 PM on 12/20/2010
Who fled the country - Guede
Who admitted to rape - Guede
Who admitted he never saw Knox - Guede
Whose blood was found all over Kercher - Guede
Who got his sentence reduced from 30 years to 16 because he pled guilty - Guede
11:57 PM on 12/20/2010
Would you like to chime in here, poeticjustice4all?
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poeticjustice4all
Past = Prologue
12:10 AM on 12/21/2010
Who lied and claimed she had contacted police about a "burglary" fifteen minutes before such a call was actually placed?

Who claimed her roommate routinely locked her bedroom door, and so she didn't think anything of it when she entered the crime scene?

Who pointed the finger at an innocent man when she thought that lie would get her off the hook?
05:38 AM on 12/21/2010
Actually, he did name Knox as being in the room.
He never admitted to rape.
His blood was not found "all over " Meredith, this was found in one area only.
Actually he never pled guilty either.

You really should try some reading.
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11:29 AM on 12/21/2010
He said he saw her silhouette or shadow, never actually saw her. Lying to divert attention from his fiendish murder.